I can't see a top manager wanting to deal with this mess.
The rot runs deep.
We are now a midtable EL club until something massive happens as far as I can see.
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
Jose was right. That second place finish actually meant that we trumped Leicester’s title winning team of 2015-2016, making our team of 2017-2018 the most incredible team of the PL era and not Leicester.
They got 81 points (+32 gd) that season
We got 81 points (+40 gd) in 2017-2018
What this shows is that our 2017-2018 team is technically 2015-2016 champions on goal difference ahead of Leicester, and therefore the most incredible team of the PL era.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
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Not entirely true, Fred has massively improved, Rashford has improved his consistency, McT is getting better and better. Greenwood and Williams have shown we have players coming through.
I just don’t think any manager comes in and instantly improves us until other things are dealt with inside the club.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
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Very crazy not to put some of the blame on Ole, but there's only so much he can do. We've seen the same thing happen with 4 managers now. As I mentioned, I don't think a new manager will change a lot in the long term until the other issues are fixed, starting with the backroom staff.
You don’t think last night could be put on Ole head. Well before the game. If you gave him a choice off Burnley first 11 to start for United how many would he off picked. He can’t set up a team, makes the wrong subs at the wrong time. Just sits on his backside all match. While there Manager was on the touch line giving out orders right to the last kick off the game.
Ole should never have been given the permanent position. It kind of reminds me of Di Matteo at Chelsea, he was given the permanent position after winning the CL and FA cup, some how their new manager bounce got them those wins, but clearly he was out of his depth. The following season after clear no progression, he was sacked. He was a Chelsea legend too but they have more ambition than our useless board. If Lampard doesn't show any progress this year, he will most likely be fired too, because big clubs are ruthless. We are only big by name these days.
Only thing I can applaud him for is trying to make the right signings and shipping out the deadwood.
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Add bringing through see key youth players to that.
The clear out has been needed for years though, it's a huge process and was unlikely to be smooth. If that turns out to be Ole's main legacy, so be it.
If we go behind in a game I find it very doubtful we’ll come back at all.
You only have to look at that second half last night. Never looked like scoring at all and not even the urgency of the Jose days (when we were good at fight backs) let alone the spirit of SAF
Even bringing on Shaw when Chong was on the bench. What was that about?
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 54 seconds ago
Ole should never have been given the permanent position. It kind of reminds me of Di Matteo at Chelsea, he was given the permanent position after winning the CL and FA cup, some how their new manager bounce got them those wins, but clearly he was out of his depth. The following season after clear no progression, he was sacked. He was a Chelsea legend too but they have more ambition than our useless board. If Lampard doesn't show any progress this year, he will most likely be fired too, because big clubs are ruthless. We are only big by name these days.
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Cherry picking a bit there. There are big clubs that are also patient and have long term goals (not saying we are one of them, right now)
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 4 minutes ago
Only thing I can applaud him for is trying to make the right signings and shipping out the deadwood.
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Add bringing through see key youth players to that.
The clear out has been needed for years though, it's a huge process and was unlikely to be smooth. If that turns out to be Ole's main legacy, so be it.
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I agree, youth players have been given a chance. Still don't know how Andreas gets games over Gomes.
He's started a rebuild, but not confident he's the ma to finish it off either
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 54 seconds ago
Ole should never have been given the permanent position. It kind of reminds me of Di Matteo at Chelsea, he was given the permanent position after winning the CL and FA cup, some how their new manager bounce got them those wins, but clearly he was out of his depth. The following season after clear no progression, he was sacked. He was a Chelsea legend too but they have more ambition than our useless board. If Lampard doesn't show any progress this year, he will most likely be fired too, because big clubs are ruthless. We are only big by name these days.
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Cherry picking a bit there. There are big clubs that are also patient and have long term goals (not saying we are one of them, right now)
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Our long term goals just seem to be talk to keep fans happy, lets talk about patience and youth, and give it few years or what ever Ole's been told to briefed to say every Ole press conference. He isn't the problem, but he is part of the problem. He can only do what he can and its not his fault he's not good enough. The board should be able to see whats gone wrong. It would be interesting to know with 7 years of failure, what restructure has been put in place at board level so ensure we don't make the same mistakes. But seems like Ed is too power hungry and wants control of everything. Out of depth CEO and manager means we ain't improving anytime soon.
Need to change the title OP. All I can think of is a naked Demi Moore...
100% ole is at fault for last night. Wrong team selection in the first place playing Perreira and leaving Greenwood on the bench. His utterly useless tactic of playing the short corner which never works.
2-0 down and brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench. The players and manager were truly shocking last night.
Ole unfortunately has to go
brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench.
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Yea, Gomes has so many goals and assists.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 minutes ago
100% ole is at fault for last night. Wrong team selection in the first place playing Perreira and leaving Greenwood on the bench. His utterly useless tactic of playing the short corner which never works.
2-0 down and brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench. The players and manager were truly shocking last night.
Ole unfortunately has to go
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Only reason I said last night can't fully be on Ole is due to the injuries we have and also the amount of chances we had that first half. Martial/Mata scores, the game would be different.
I did say Greenwood should have started. Andreas is a liability.
As someone has wisely said.. In a world where Ancelotti manages Everton, why are we stuck with Ole?
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench.
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Yea, Gomes has so many goals and assists.
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He hasn't been given a chance. Lingard has had umpteen chances. Bit of a stupid comparison really
Also when Ole brought lingard on he played him more centrally playing even more into Burnleys hands. Ypu need to make the pitch as wide as possible. Tactically it was truly shocking
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Trust me toplad the club is done for a while. We are not a major side anymore and have done a Milan and the owners don’t care and Ed doesn’t either.
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One thing we have over the likes of Milan is a lot of money. But we need to change the backroom staff first. IT can be fixed, but it might take a while, hopefully not many years
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
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Not entirely true, Fred has massively improved, Rashford has improved his consistency, McT is getting better and better. Greenwood and Williams have shown we have players coming through.
I just don’t think any manager comes in and instantly improves us until other things are dealt with inside the club.
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True, im maybe being a bit harsh. But fred? really, a couple better perfromances thats it. MCT was good under jose.
But to say players dont improve instantly is not true. It happens quite a lot, but ole has been there a year now and had a whole summer.
My points were regarding no blame on his head. Its a mixture but he has to take the brunt of it.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench.
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Yea, Gomes has so many goals and assists.
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He hasn't been given a chance. Lingard has had umpteen chances. Bit of a stupid comparison really
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Highlighting that Ole only had the option to bring on Lingard or an untested kid, while blaming Ole 100% is the only stupid thing happening here.
Ole gave me a lot of joy as a player, but was a completely terrible appointment.
He is a nothing manager.
Should of gone for ancelotti.
with that said the squad isnt good. but a manager should be able to work with what hes given and improve players. who has he improved? rashford. that is about it.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 5 minutes ago
Also when Ole brought lingard on he played him more centrally playing even more into Burnleys hands. Ypu need to make the pitch as wide as possible. Tactically it was truly shocking
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So which of our raft of wingers should have been brought on?
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posted on 23/1/20
I can't see a top manager wanting to deal with this mess.
The rot runs deep.
We are now a midtable EL club until something massive happens as far as I can see.
posted on 23/1/20
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
posted on 23/1/20
Jose was right. That second place finish actually meant that we trumped Leicester’s title winning team of 2015-2016, making our team of 2017-2018 the most incredible team of the PL era and not Leicester.
They got 81 points (+32 gd) that season
We got 81 points (+40 gd) in 2017-2018
What this shows is that our 2017-2018 team is technically 2015-2016 champions on goal difference ahead of Leicester, and therefore the most incredible team of the PL era.
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not entirely true, Fred has massively improved, Rashford has improved his consistency, McT is getting better and better. Greenwood and Williams have shown we have players coming through.
I just don’t think any manager comes in and instantly improves us until other things are dealt with inside the club.
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very crazy not to put some of the blame on Ole, but there's only so much he can do. We've seen the same thing happen with 4 managers now. As I mentioned, I don't think a new manager will change a lot in the long term until the other issues are fixed, starting with the backroom staff.
posted on 23/1/20
You don’t think last night could be put on Ole head. Well before the game. If you gave him a choice off Burnley first 11 to start for United how many would he off picked. He can’t set up a team, makes the wrong subs at the wrong time. Just sits on his backside all match. While there Manager was on the touch line giving out orders right to the last kick off the game.
posted on 23/1/20
Ole should never have been given the permanent position. It kind of reminds me of Di Matteo at Chelsea, he was given the permanent position after winning the CL and FA cup, some how their new manager bounce got them those wins, but clearly he was out of his depth. The following season after clear no progression, he was sacked. He was a Chelsea legend too but they have more ambition than our useless board. If Lampard doesn't show any progress this year, he will most likely be fired too, because big clubs are ruthless. We are only big by name these days.
posted on 23/1/20
Only thing I can applaud him for is trying to make the right signings and shipping out the deadwood.
--------------
Add bringing through see key youth players to that.
The clear out has been needed for years though, it's a huge process and was unlikely to be smooth. If that turns out to be Ole's main legacy, so be it.
posted on 23/1/20
If we go behind in a game I find it very doubtful we’ll come back at all.
You only have to look at that second half last night. Never looked like scoring at all and not even the urgency of the Jose days (when we were good at fight backs) let alone the spirit of SAF
Even bringing on Shaw when Chong was on the bench. What was that about?
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 54 seconds ago
Ole should never have been given the permanent position. It kind of reminds me of Di Matteo at Chelsea, he was given the permanent position after winning the CL and FA cup, some how their new manager bounce got them those wins, but clearly he was out of his depth. The following season after clear no progression, he was sacked. He was a Chelsea legend too but they have more ambition than our useless board. If Lampard doesn't show any progress this year, he will most likely be fired too, because big clubs are ruthless. We are only big by name these days.
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Cherry picking a bit there. There are big clubs that are also patient and have long term goals (not saying we are one of them, right now)
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 4 minutes ago
Only thing I can applaud him for is trying to make the right signings and shipping out the deadwood.
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Add bringing through see key youth players to that.
The clear out has been needed for years though, it's a huge process and was unlikely to be smooth. If that turns out to be Ole's main legacy, so be it.
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I agree, youth players have been given a chance. Still don't know how Andreas gets games over Gomes.
He's started a rebuild, but not confident he's the ma to finish it off either
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 54 seconds ago
Ole should never have been given the permanent position. It kind of reminds me of Di Matteo at Chelsea, he was given the permanent position after winning the CL and FA cup, some how their new manager bounce got them those wins, but clearly he was out of his depth. The following season after clear no progression, he was sacked. He was a Chelsea legend too but they have more ambition than our useless board. If Lampard doesn't show any progress this year, he will most likely be fired too, because big clubs are ruthless. We are only big by name these days.
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Cherry picking a bit there. There are big clubs that are also patient and have long term goals (not saying we are one of them, right now)
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Our long term goals just seem to be talk to keep fans happy, lets talk about patience and youth, and give it few years or what ever Ole's been told to briefed to say every Ole press conference. He isn't the problem, but he is part of the problem. He can only do what he can and its not his fault he's not good enough. The board should be able to see whats gone wrong. It would be interesting to know with 7 years of failure, what restructure has been put in place at board level so ensure we don't make the same mistakes. But seems like Ed is too power hungry and wants control of everything. Out of depth CEO and manager means we ain't improving anytime soon.
posted on 23/1/20
Need to change the title OP. All I can think of is a naked Demi Moore...
posted on 23/1/20
100% ole is at fault for last night. Wrong team selection in the first place playing Perreira and leaving Greenwood on the bench. His utterly useless tactic of playing the short corner which never works.
2-0 down and brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench. The players and manager were truly shocking last night.
Ole unfortunately has to go
posted on 23/1/20
brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench.
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Yea, Gomes has so many goals and assists.
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 minutes ago
100% ole is at fault for last night. Wrong team selection in the first place playing Perreira and leaving Greenwood on the bench. His utterly useless tactic of playing the short corner which never works.
2-0 down and brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench. The players and manager were truly shocking last night.
Ole unfortunately has to go
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Only reason I said last night can't fully be on Ole is due to the injuries we have and also the amount of chances we had that first half. Martial/Mata scores, the game would be different.
I did say Greenwood should have started. Andreas is a liability.
posted on 23/1/20
As someone has wisely said.. In a world where Ancelotti manages Everton, why are we stuck with Ole?
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench.
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Yea, Gomes has so many goals and assists.
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He hasn't been given a chance. Lingard has had umpteen chances. Bit of a stupid comparison really
posted on 23/1/20
Also when Ole brought lingard on he played him more centrally playing even more into Burnleys hands. Ypu need to make the pitch as wide as possible. Tactically it was truly shocking
posted on 23/1/20
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posted on 23/1/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Trust me toplad the club is done for a while. We are not a major side anymore and have done a Milan and the owners don’t care and Ed doesn’t either.
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One thing we have over the likes of Milan is a lot of money. But we need to change the backroom staff first. IT can be fixed, but it might take a while, hopefully not many years
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
People have gone from being overcritical and knee jerk regarding managers to the opposite the last year or so.
No man utd player has improved this season, or in now a year since ole took over. Maybe a couple at most.
Ole doesn't react to going behind, doesn't seem to have a plan b. Its a mixed bag between the team and ole imo, and obviously the hierachy. But for fans to keep saying its not on oles head at all is crazy imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not entirely true, Fred has massively improved, Rashford has improved his consistency, McT is getting better and better. Greenwood and Williams have shown we have players coming through.
I just don’t think any manager comes in and instantly improves us until other things are dealt with inside the club.
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True, im maybe being a bit harsh. But fred? really, a couple better perfromances thats it. MCT was good under jose.
But to say players dont improve instantly is not true. It happens quite a lot, but ole has been there a year now and had a whole summer.
My points were regarding no blame on his head. Its a mixture but he has to take the brunt of it.
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
brings on Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted in the league in over a year and a left back when you have the likes of Gomes on the bench.
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Yea, Gomes has so many goals and assists.
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He hasn't been given a chance. Lingard has had umpteen chances. Bit of a stupid comparison really
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Highlighting that Ole only had the option to bring on Lingard or an untested kid, while blaming Ole 100% is the only stupid thing happening here.
posted on 23/1/20
Ole gave me a lot of joy as a player, but was a completely terrible appointment.
He is a nothing manager.
Should of gone for ancelotti.
with that said the squad isnt good. but a manager should be able to work with what hes given and improve players. who has he improved? rashford. that is about it.
posted on 23/1/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 5 minutes ago
Also when Ole brought lingard on he played him more centrally playing even more into Burnleys hands. Ypu need to make the pitch as wide as possible. Tactically it was truly shocking
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So which of our raft of wingers should have been brought on?
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