I kinda did - I said that some managers deserve more time than others.
Jose who a year or two earlier won the league and then in his first season won the league cup and lost a Europa final (by your scenario) would have deserved at least a second season - so yes.
Ole has no Cv of sorts to fall back on when the top brass and investors look for some sort of security so it’s not that hard to imagine his audition for the top job ends when he fails to hit a minimum target, especially as there are no signs at all he’s improving us
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So ignoring Jose's spectacular meltdown at Chelsea... You'd have let him carry on because he had won the league a couple of years earlier and basically it was largely down to faith
Despite the fact that our league campaign was horrendous, finishing lower than either of LVGs seasons, playing chronically bad football particularly after Christmas. .. Despite the fact that we limped through the semi and were outplayed in the League Cup final... Despite the fact that we limped through and probably should have been knocked out of the Europa by Anderlecht and Celta Vigo
The bigger picture actually suggested he showed few signs of improving us at all
I'd have gladly seen him gone at that stage tbh... And i was someone who wanted him
The only thing that made me think he'd come good was getting champions league football and the fact that it still largely wasn't his squad and he could hopefully improve on it..... A hope that got crushed when our transfer targets became clear
The second season was horrible despite finishing second... Awful football... Slamming players publicly... His attempt to rubbish the clubs history after basically throwing the champions league knock out tie... Sanchez... The second half of the season was pretty much the same behaviour as he displayed during his third
The point I'm getting at.... Eventually .... Is you have trotted out that line of Jose being an example of getting success under Ed a couple of times
And again... Its not strictly true... There's a bigger picture, more to it (and some of that is directly affecting where we are now)
The point of an 8/10 manager being better than a 4/10 manager is fair.... But Ed can turn an 8/10 into a 4/10 due to our speed in getting deals done and by the mess left caused by previous crap decisions and poor planning
We need to sort upstairs out as a priority... Or nothing changes in the long run
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Robb, if poch is so good why was he sacked?
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Loads of very good managers get sacked
SAF
Jose
Ancelotti
LVG
Etc
Just the perils of the job
As the quote goes ‘you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain’
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But poch had 5 years, longer than most managers could dream of.
And still got sacked.
Why though, what was the reason for his sacking?
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Only you could make 5 years in one job seem like a bad thing 😂
I shall answer. Firstly, many people feel he was unfairly sacked. Most fans dislike the manager that was sacked but Spurs fans, almost to a T would have Poch back tomorrow.
But he fell out with Levy and I think he squeezed everything he could get out of that squad which was under-invested in (the other day there was a net spend top 50 chart of all the net spenders in Europe over the past 5 seasons - spurs were 32nd, we were 5th)
Sometimes players get sick of the voice of the same guy - I doubt we’ll see many managers last 5 years at all from now on
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Fair enough, but was it not because spurs were near the foot of the table?
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Baz,
You're doing an annoyingly good job of making me agree with Rob here.
There's no doubt that Poch did a superb job at Spurs. He established them as a top four team and got them to a Champions League final - all of which was achieved with very, very tight purse strings.
But these things rarely last forever. The only high-profile manager at a big club I can think of in the game at the moment that has been around at one club as long or longer than Poch at Spurs is Simeone at A. Madrid. And he has the advantage of managing a team that are pretty active (and quite shrewd imo) year on year in the transfer market, which keeps thing fresh.
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I'd bet that Baz agrees Berba.... He's just playing the black and white argument used against ole back against Robb
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posted 29 seconds ago
I kinda did - I said that some managers deserve more time than others.
Jose who a year or two earlier won the league and then in his first season won the league cup and lost a Europa final (by your scenario) would have deserved at least a second season - so yes.
Ole has no Cv of sorts to fall back on when the top brass and investors look for some sort of security so it’s not that hard to imagine his audition for the top job ends when he fails to hit a minimum target, especially as there are no signs at all he’s improving us
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So ignoring Jose's spectacular meltdown at Chelsea... You'd have let him carry on because he had won the league a couple of years earlier and basically it was largely down to faith
Despite the fact that our league campaign was horrendous, finishing lower than either of LVGs seasons, playing chronically bad football particularly after Christmas. .. Despite the fact that we limped through the semi and were outplayed in the League Cup final... Despite the fact that we limped through and probably should have been knocked out of the Europa by Anderlecht and Celta Vigo
The bigger picture actually suggested he showed few signs of improving us at all
I'd have gladly seen him gone at that stage tbh... And i was someone who wanted him
The only thing that made me think he'd come good was getting champions league football and the fact that it still largely wasn't his squad and he could hopefully improve on it..... A hope that got crushed when our transfer targets became clear
The second season was horrible despite finishing second... Awful football... Slamming players publicly... His attempt to rubbish the clubs history after basically throwing the champions league knock out tie... Sanchez... The second half of the season was pretty much the same behaviour as he displayed during his third
The point I'm getting at.... Eventually.... Is you have trotted out that line of Jose being an example of getting success under Ed a couple of times
And again... Its not strictly true... There's a bigger picture, more to it (and some of that is directly affecting where we are now)
The point of an 8/10 manager being better than a 4/10 manager is fair.... But Ed can turn an 8/10 into a 4/10 due to our speed in getting deals done and by the mess left caused by previous crap decisions and poor planning
We need to sort upstairs out as a priority... Or nothing changes in the long run
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1) Regarding the cup games you talk of, we did play badly in that second leg against Celta Vigo but we were excellent in the first leg and could/should have score 3/4 goals. And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked. And in the final we shut down a very exciting Ajax side and won deservedly. Ironically in season two we played very well against Chelsea but lost (thanks Jones 🙄)
2) I agree about the point you made about Ed making an 8/10 one a 4/10 one - but I’d rather us underachieve with a style of play the players are signed up to rather than the weird, no urgency stuff we see now. We may not be successful for a while. But if I’m gonna be stuck in a lift that goes nowhere I’d rather it be with someone who can make conversation (weird analogy but you’re a smart guy, you get my point)
3) People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield.
4) I’ve run out of points. But I agree getting upstairs sorted out too. But the first thing a DoF would say if he was hired would be ‘why is Ole our manager, get me someone good’
I do agree, poch did a great job at spurs. Interesting comment on simione, especially the shrewd part. That’s not something you can really say about poch in the transfer market, he’s been as much miss as hit.
Get fed up reading these I’ll thought out ole out articles, where people fail to see that he’s not only fighting the manager before himself mistakes, but also every manager back to moyes. We need to break the cycle, and ole is trying to do that, so needs more time. Suddenly this season has gone from ‘write off the season and let’s give him time’ to pants getting all wet about not making top 4.
Did anyone say this season was a write off?
I remember plenty of people saying last season was and this season our target should be getting back to the CL
And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
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Did anyone say this season was a write off?
I remember plenty of people saying last season was and this season our target should be getting back to the CL
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In summer many did. Said let’s give him the season with no expectations. That’s changed pretty quickly. .
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Please give him another year
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Jesus. You're the most boring team that has ever existed. You only exist to endorse a football agent and you continue to produce the sort of stuff us United fans consider to be unacceptable.
Why are you here?
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This ^
You can keep nuno as a manager
Couldn't be looking at that shizite every week
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Simeone at A. Madrid. And he has the advantage of managing a team that are pretty active (and quite shrewd imo) year on year in the transfer market, which keeps thing fresh.
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Director of football at A Madrid
Some of their bigger buys have been disasters too to be fair
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And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
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But Jose took a squad that wasn’t his own and made the CL in his first season and won trophies too.
You pay too much attention to whose players are whose. Look at Chelsea - managers inherit other managers players all the time and tweak it. I think we United fans have brainwashed ourselves into thinking this huge rebuild needs to happen and THEN things get better. It doesn’t need to be that drastic.
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Did anyone say this season was a write off?
I remember plenty of people saying last season was and this season our target should be getting back to the CL
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In summer many did. Said let’s give him the season with no expectations. That’s changed pretty quickly. .
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UWW quite famously
Made a brilliant thread (oddly) detailing absolutely everything wrong with the club and then panicked once we lost a couple
Say we finish 8th and the football is just as boring by the end of the season
Poch is available and says he is interested
What do you choose?
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And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
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But Jose took a squad that wasn’t his own and made the CL in his first season and won trophies too.
You pay too much attention to whose players are whose. Look at Chelsea - managers inherit other managers players all the time and tweak it. I think we United fans have brainwashed ourselves into thinking this huge rebuild needs to happen and THEN things get better. It doesn’t need to be that drastic.
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Jose scraped the champions league while having a worse domestic campaign.... Which Ole could still do
Chelsea have never taken more than a short term approach... Hence the constant sack and tweak
I think we just crave something long-term again rather than boom and bust
Worth mentioning.... Chelsea are abandoning that approach and seem to be changing to what we crave
As did city.... Prepping before Pep
As did Liverpool with Klopp and building
Maybe we're not brainwashed actually after all
I'd prefer a patient rebuild (regardless of Ole or Poch or Whoever) that can help us long term than an instant glory and crash approach any day
What would be the minimum expectation for Ole to keep his job Shugsy?
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comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
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Please give him another year
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Jesus. You're the most boring team that has ever existed. You only exist to endorse a football agent and you continue to produce the sort of stuff us United fans consider to be unacceptable.
Why are you here?
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This ^
You can keep nuno as a manager
Couldn't be looking at that shizite every week
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One goal more all season and one shot more yesterday, if only we were as exciting as you
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And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
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But Jose took a squad that wasn’t his own and made the CL in his first season and won trophies too.
You pay too much attention to whose players are whose. Look at Chelsea - managers inherit other managers players all the time and tweak it. I think we United fans have brainwashed ourselves into thinking this huge rebuild needs to happen and THEN things get better. It doesn’t need to be that drastic.
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Jose scraped the champions league while having a worse domestic campaign.... Which Ole could still do
Chelsea have never taken more than a short term approach... Hence the constant sack and tweak
I think we just crave something long-term again rather than boom and bust
Worth mentioning.... Chelsea are abandoning that approach and seem to be changing to what we crave
As did city.... Prepping before Pep
As did Liverpool with Klopp and building
Maybe we're not brainwashed actually after all
I'd prefer a patient rebuild (regardless of Ole or Poch or Whoever) that can help us long term than an instant glory and crash approach any day
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Fair enough. But if Ole isn't the manager you'd like in that scenario (and you really shouldn't), who do you want and why? Obvs anybody would be better qualified than Ole. But long term seems more a pipe dream than a realistic expectation.
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He needs to get CL football or go
Especially as the bar is as low as ever for top 4 this season
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Let me get this right:
If we manage to secure CL football next season, you won’t continue to call for the manager to be sacked this summer?
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As I said to Darren yesterday which he agreed was fair..
‘As long as Poch is available and as long as Ole continues to confound us with bizarre decisions etc I won’t ever be happy with him as manager BUT as I assume he has targets to hit, I can’t complain if he makes the CL next season’
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Book-fackin-marked
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Do it 😂
I think I’m being fair. I’d begrudgingly accept him get another season if he makes the CL.
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Wait wait wait!
You’re saying he gets the whole of next season without question if we qualify for the CL?
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Say we finish 8th and the football is just as boring by the end of the season
Poch is available and says he is interested
What do you choose?
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If we finish as low as 8th he'll be gone.... Unless there's something like Ighalo infecting the entire squad with kungflu or a similar sort of disaster
I'm open to Poch... Absolutely a good coach.... My points on him are more pushing back against you granting messiah status
I'm open to Nagelsmann... Would be a really bold appointment
Open to anyone bar Moyes, LVG or Jose
Again though.... Poch/Nagelsmann... Our squad doesn't suit eithers preferred tactics (especially Nagelsmann)
Look... I'm not strictly Ole in or out
I love the guy... But I'm not blind to things he gets wrong
But he's not getting everything wrong... And I'm giving him a bit of (maybe a lot of) benefit of the doubt re formation and tactics as to players available. I'd imagine he'd rather have added more players in and shipped more out.... Unless he's mad obv. Our lack of movement up front drives me mad... Yesterday being a perfect example... I don't know whether to blame him or just give up on martial
I again think our biggest problem is the clubs direction and planning regarding on field issues... Or lack of it
And i think it'll be a huge problem for whoever is manager.... Unless we stumble on a Fergie like genius
We're still going to have to give time and patience and rebuild... Unless we see a structural change up above, someone who understands football, who can steer us, we'll likely continue to fail
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He needs to get CL football or go
Especially as the bar is as low as ever for top 4 this season
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Let me get this right:
If we manage to secure CL football next season, you won’t continue to call for the manager to be sacked this summer?
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As I said to Darren yesterday which he agreed was fair..
‘As long as Poch is available and as long as Ole continues to confound us with bizarre decisions etc I won’t ever be happy with him as manager BUT as I assume he has targets to hit, I can’t complain if he makes the CL next season’
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Book-fackin-marked
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Do it 😂
I think I’m being fair. I’d begrudgingly accept him get another season if he makes the CL.
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Wait wait wait!
You’re saying he gets the whole of next season without question if we qualify for the CL?
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😂
Noooo, my wording may have been off there.
I mean if he makes the CL I’d ‘allow’ (you know what I mean) him to keep the job going into season 2. I can’t say all of season 2 because he might start horrifically.
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Say we finish 8th and the football is just as boring by the end of the season
Poch is available and says he is interested
What do you choose?
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If we finish as low as 8th he'll be gone.... Unless there's something like Ighalo infecting the entire squad with kungflu or a similar sort of disaster
I'm open to Poch... Absolutely a good coach.... My points on him are more pushing back against you granting messiah status
I'm open to Nagelsmann... Would be a really bold appointment
Open to anyone bar Moyes, LVG or Jose
Again though.... Poch/Nagelsmann... Our squad doesn't suit eithers preferred tactics (especially Nagelsmann)
Look... I'm not strictly Ole in or out
I love the guy... But I'm not blind to things he gets wrong
But he's not getting everything wrong... And I'm giving him a bit of (maybe a lot of) benefit of the doubt re formation and tactics as to players available. I'd imagine he'd rather have added more players in and shipped more out.... Unless he's mad obv. Our lack of movement up front drives me mad... Yesterday being a perfect example... I don't know whether to blame him or just give up on martial
I again think our biggest problem is the clubs direction and planning regarding on field issues... Or lack of it
And i think it'll be a huge problem for whoever is manager.... Unless we stumble on a Fergie like genius
We're still going to have to give time and patience and rebuild... Unless we see a structural change up above, someone who understands football, who can steer us, we'll likely continue to fail
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Fair enough 👍
Thanks for helping make ‘Kungflu’ a thing Shugmeister
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posted 22 minutes ago
What would be the minimum expectation for Ole to keep his job Shugsy?
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I honestly don't know... Champions league and he's safe
In saying that Jose finished second but i hated the season and the nonsense he was spouting that much I'd have sacked him that summer
Again... I'm not blindly, defend at all costs, "robb under Jose or Moysie" Ole in
It depends on what happens between now and the end of the season... Scrape CL, win the Europa, win FA cup while just missing out of top 4... Given the injuries etc... Improving performance and style with players returning
Or we could sink like a stone... Or we could scrape top 4 but the play gets worse
All possible
I just don't know... For me anyway.
Results and CL will probably make the decision for Ed.
We obviously need a better manager. When we fail to make CL football I suspect that is just what will happen as well.
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Get the players and the manager right and all the problems with the board will just float away.
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Ignoring that ultimately the problems with the board are what has caused the issue with manager appointments and player purchases
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The board have appointed the best managers available
And those managers have chosen the players
Structural changes from top to bottom with Ed going back to doing what he does best whatever the fack that is.
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comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
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He needs to get CL football or go
Especially as the bar is as low as ever for top 4 this season
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Let me get this right:
If we manage to secure CL football next season, you won’t continue to call for the manager to be sacked this summer?
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As I said to Darren yesterday which he agreed was fair..
‘As long as Poch is available and as long as Ole continues to confound us with bizarre decisions etc I won’t ever be happy with him as manager BUT as I assume he has targets to hit, I can’t complain if he makes the CL next season’
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Book-fackin-marked
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Do it 😂
I think I’m being fair. I’d begrudgingly accept him get another season if he makes the CL.
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Wait wait wait!
You’re saying he gets the whole of next season without question if we qualify for the CL?
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😂
Noooo, my wording may have been off there.
I mean if he makes the CL I’d ‘allow’ (you know what I mean) him to keep the job going into season 2. I can’t say all of season 2 because he might start horrifically.
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I kinda did - I said that some managers deserve more time than others.
Jose who a year or two earlier won the league and then in his first season won the league cup and lost a Europa final (by your scenario) would have deserved at least a second season - so yes.
Ole has no Cv of sorts to fall back on when the top brass and investors look for some sort of security so it’s not that hard to imagine his audition for the top job ends when he fails to hit a minimum target, especially as there are no signs at all he’s improving us
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So ignoring Jose's spectacular meltdown at Chelsea... You'd have let him carry on because he had won the league a couple of years earlier and basically it was largely down to faith
Despite the fact that our league campaign was horrendous, finishing lower than either of LVGs seasons, playing chronically bad football particularly after Christmas. .. Despite the fact that we limped through the semi and were outplayed in the League Cup final... Despite the fact that we limped through and probably should have been knocked out of the Europa by Anderlecht and Celta Vigo
The bigger picture actually suggested he showed few signs of improving us at all
I'd have gladly seen him gone at that stage tbh... And i was someone who wanted him
The only thing that made me think he'd come good was getting champions league football and the fact that it still largely wasn't his squad and he could hopefully improve on it..... A hope that got crushed when our transfer targets became clear
The second season was horrible despite finishing second... Awful football... Slamming players publicly... His attempt to rubbish the clubs history after basically throwing the champions league knock out tie... Sanchez... The second half of the season was pretty much the same behaviour as he displayed during his third
The point I'm getting at.... Eventually .... Is you have trotted out that line of Jose being an example of getting success under Ed a couple of times
And again... Its not strictly true... There's a bigger picture, more to it (and some of that is directly affecting where we are now)
The point of an 8/10 manager being better than a 4/10 manager is fair.... But Ed can turn an 8/10 into a 4/10 due to our speed in getting deals done and by the mess left caused by previous crap decisions and poor planning
We need to sort upstairs out as a priority... Or nothing changes in the long run
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Robb, if poch is so good why was he sacked?
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Loads of very good managers get sacked
SAF
Jose
Ancelotti
LVG
Etc
Just the perils of the job
As the quote goes ‘you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain’
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But poch had 5 years, longer than most managers could dream of.
And still got sacked.
Why though, what was the reason for his sacking?
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Only you could make 5 years in one job seem like a bad thing 😂
I shall answer. Firstly, many people feel he was unfairly sacked. Most fans dislike the manager that was sacked but Spurs fans, almost to a T would have Poch back tomorrow.
But he fell out with Levy and I think he squeezed everything he could get out of that squad which was under-invested in (the other day there was a net spend top 50 chart of all the net spenders in Europe over the past 5 seasons - spurs were 32nd, we were 5th)
Sometimes players get sick of the voice of the same guy - I doubt we’ll see many managers last 5 years at all from now on
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Fair enough, but was it not because spurs were near the foot of the table?
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Baz,
You're doing an annoyingly good job of making me agree with Rob here.
There's no doubt that Poch did a superb job at Spurs. He established them as a top four team and got them to a Champions League final - all of which was achieved with very, very tight purse strings.
But these things rarely last forever. The only high-profile manager at a big club I can think of in the game at the moment that has been around at one club as long or longer than Poch at Spurs is Simeone at A. Madrid. And he has the advantage of managing a team that are pretty active (and quite shrewd imo) year on year in the transfer market, which keeps thing fresh.
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I'd bet that Baz agrees Berba.... He's just playing the black and white argument used against ole back against Robb
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 29 seconds ago
I kinda did - I said that some managers deserve more time than others.
Jose who a year or two earlier won the league and then in his first season won the league cup and lost a Europa final (by your scenario) would have deserved at least a second season - so yes.
Ole has no Cv of sorts to fall back on when the top brass and investors look for some sort of security so it’s not that hard to imagine his audition for the top job ends when he fails to hit a minimum target, especially as there are no signs at all he’s improving us
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So ignoring Jose's spectacular meltdown at Chelsea... You'd have let him carry on because he had won the league a couple of years earlier and basically it was largely down to faith
Despite the fact that our league campaign was horrendous, finishing lower than either of LVGs seasons, playing chronically bad football particularly after Christmas. .. Despite the fact that we limped through the semi and were outplayed in the League Cup final... Despite the fact that we limped through and probably should have been knocked out of the Europa by Anderlecht and Celta Vigo
The bigger picture actually suggested he showed few signs of improving us at all
I'd have gladly seen him gone at that stage tbh... And i was someone who wanted him
The only thing that made me think he'd come good was getting champions league football and the fact that it still largely wasn't his squad and he could hopefully improve on it..... A hope that got crushed when our transfer targets became clear
The second season was horrible despite finishing second... Awful football... Slamming players publicly... His attempt to rubbish the clubs history after basically throwing the champions league knock out tie... Sanchez... The second half of the season was pretty much the same behaviour as he displayed during his third
The point I'm getting at.... Eventually.... Is you have trotted out that line of Jose being an example of getting success under Ed a couple of times
And again... Its not strictly true... There's a bigger picture, more to it (and some of that is directly affecting where we are now)
The point of an 8/10 manager being better than a 4/10 manager is fair.... But Ed can turn an 8/10 into a 4/10 due to our speed in getting deals done and by the mess left caused by previous crap decisions and poor planning
We need to sort upstairs out as a priority... Or nothing changes in the long run
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1) Regarding the cup games you talk of, we did play badly in that second leg against Celta Vigo but we were excellent in the first leg and could/should have score 3/4 goals. And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked. And in the final we shut down a very exciting Ajax side and won deservedly. Ironically in season two we played very well against Chelsea but lost (thanks Jones 🙄)
2) I agree about the point you made about Ed making an 8/10 one a 4/10 one - but I’d rather us underachieve with a style of play the players are signed up to rather than the weird, no urgency stuff we see now. We may not be successful for a while. But if I’m gonna be stuck in a lift that goes nowhere I’d rather it be with someone who can make conversation (weird analogy but you’re a smart guy, you get my point)
3) People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield.
4) I’ve run out of points. But I agree getting upstairs sorted out too. But the first thing a DoF would say if he was hired would be ‘why is Ole our manager, get me someone good’
posted on 2/2/20
I do agree, poch did a great job at spurs. Interesting comment on simione, especially the shrewd part. That’s not something you can really say about poch in the transfer market, he’s been as much miss as hit.
Get fed up reading these I’ll thought out ole out articles, where people fail to see that he’s not only fighting the manager before himself mistakes, but also every manager back to moyes. We need to break the cycle, and ole is trying to do that, so needs more time. Suddenly this season has gone from ‘write off the season and let’s give him time’ to pants getting all wet about not making top 4.
posted on 2/2/20
Did anyone say this season was a write off?
I remember plenty of people saying last season was and this season our target should be getting back to the CL
posted on 2/2/20
And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 46 seconds ago
Did anyone say this season was a write off?
I remember plenty of people saying last season was and this season our target should be getting back to the CL
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In summer many did. Said let’s give him the season with no expectations. That’s changed pretty quickly. .
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't... (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Please give him another year
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Jesus. You're the most boring team that has ever existed. You only exist to endorse a football agent and you continue to produce the sort of stuff us United fans consider to be unacceptable.
Why are you here?
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This ^
You can keep nuno as a manager
Couldn't be looking at that shizite every week
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posted on 2/2/20
Simeone at A. Madrid. And he has the advantage of managing a team that are pretty active (and quite shrewd imo) year on year in the transfer market, which keeps thing fresh.
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Director of football at A Madrid
Some of their bigger buys have been disasters too to be fair
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
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But Jose took a squad that wasn’t his own and made the CL in his first season and won trophies too.
You pay too much attention to whose players are whose. Look at Chelsea - managers inherit other managers players all the time and tweak it. I think we United fans have brainwashed ourselves into thinking this huge rebuild needs to happen and THEN things get better. It doesn’t need to be that drastic.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 46 seconds ago
Did anyone say this season was a write off?
I remember plenty of people saying last season was and this season our target should be getting back to the CL
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In summer many did. Said let’s give him the season with no expectations. That’s changed pretty quickly. .
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UWW quite famously
Made a brilliant thread (oddly) detailing absolutely everything wrong with the club and then panicked once we lost a couple
posted on 2/2/20
Say we finish 8th and the football is just as boring by the end of the season
Poch is available and says he is interested
What do you choose?
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
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But Jose took a squad that wasn’t his own and made the CL in his first season and won trophies too.
You pay too much attention to whose players are whose. Look at Chelsea - managers inherit other managers players all the time and tweak it. I think we United fans have brainwashed ourselves into thinking this huge rebuild needs to happen and THEN things get better. It doesn’t need to be that drastic.
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Jose scraped the champions league while having a worse domestic campaign.... Which Ole could still do
Chelsea have never taken more than a short term approach... Hence the constant sack and tweak
I think we just crave something long-term again rather than boom and bust
Worth mentioning.... Chelsea are abandoning that approach and seem to be changing to what we crave
As did city.... Prepping before Pep
As did Liverpool with Klopp and building
Maybe we're not brainwashed actually after all
I'd prefer a patient rebuild (regardless of Ole or Poch or Whoever) that can help us long term than an instant glory and crash approach any day
posted on 2/2/20
What would be the minimum expectation for Ole to keep his job Shugsy?
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't... (U1132)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Please give him another year
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Jesus. You're the most boring team that has ever existed. You only exist to endorse a football agent and you continue to produce the sort of stuff us United fans consider to be unacceptable.
Why are you here?
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This ^
You can keep nuno as a manager
Couldn't be looking at that shizite every week
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One goal more all season and one shot more yesterday, if only we were as exciting as you
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
And we were never in danger of losing to Anderlecht. Jose just went into ‘win trophies at any cost mode and it worked.
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Anderlecht were totally out playing us up until just after the hour when they're manager took off tielemans and others to save them for their big domestic tie that weekend
We got lucky
And we absolutely should have went out against vigo... We played well in the first leg but didn't miss a chance like guadetti did in the last minute
The trophy at all costs mode is bull... As was your constant defence of the poor football and performances after Christmas as him instructing the team to conserve energy... We were literally just not very good...
And didn't have the right players for his tactics....
Which is why its not as simple as dropping in a new manager
After all
"People forget that Jose had his own rebuild after all the terrible signings that LVG made. He also had to ship out the club legend Rooney who was obsessed with playing in midfield."
You'll note i didn't forget.... I mentioned the squad largely wasn't his own
Much like Ole's isn't now.... Nice for you to acknowledge its a problem and there is a bigger picture after all though
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But Jose took a squad that wasn’t his own and made the CL in his first season and won trophies too.
You pay too much attention to whose players are whose. Look at Chelsea - managers inherit other managers players all the time and tweak it. I think we United fans have brainwashed ourselves into thinking this huge rebuild needs to happen and THEN things get better. It doesn’t need to be that drastic.
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Jose scraped the champions league while having a worse domestic campaign.... Which Ole could still do
Chelsea have never taken more than a short term approach... Hence the constant sack and tweak
I think we just crave something long-term again rather than boom and bust
Worth mentioning.... Chelsea are abandoning that approach and seem to be changing to what we crave
As did city.... Prepping before Pep
As did Liverpool with Klopp and building
Maybe we're not brainwashed actually after all
I'd prefer a patient rebuild (regardless of Ole or Poch or Whoever) that can help us long term than an instant glory and crash approach any day
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Fair enough. But if Ole isn't the manager you'd like in that scenario (and you really shouldn't), who do you want and why? Obvs anybody would be better qualified than Ole. But long term seems more a pipe dream than a realistic expectation.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 55 minutes ago
He needs to get CL football or go
Especially as the bar is as low as ever for top 4 this season
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Let me get this right:
If we manage to secure CL football next season, you won’t continue to call for the manager to be sacked this summer?
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As I said to Darren yesterday which he agreed was fair..
‘As long as Poch is available and as long as Ole continues to confound us with bizarre decisions etc I won’t ever be happy with him as manager BUT as I assume he has targets to hit, I can’t complain if he makes the CL next season’
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Book-fackin-marked
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Do it 😂
I think I’m being fair. I’d begrudgingly accept him get another season if he makes the CL.
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Wait wait wait!
You’re saying he gets the whole of next season without question if we qualify for the CL?
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
Say we finish 8th and the football is just as boring by the end of the season
Poch is available and says he is interested
What do you choose?
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If we finish as low as 8th he'll be gone.... Unless there's something like Ighalo infecting the entire squad with kungflu or a similar sort of disaster
I'm open to Poch... Absolutely a good coach.... My points on him are more pushing back against you granting messiah status
I'm open to Nagelsmann... Would be a really bold appointment
Open to anyone bar Moyes, LVG or Jose
Again though.... Poch/Nagelsmann... Our squad doesn't suit eithers preferred tactics (especially Nagelsmann)
Look... I'm not strictly Ole in or out
I love the guy... But I'm not blind to things he gets wrong
But he's not getting everything wrong... And I'm giving him a bit of (maybe a lot of) benefit of the doubt re formation and tactics as to players available. I'd imagine he'd rather have added more players in and shipped more out.... Unless he's mad obv. Our lack of movement up front drives me mad... Yesterday being a perfect example... I don't know whether to blame him or just give up on martial
I again think our biggest problem is the clubs direction and planning regarding on field issues... Or lack of it
And i think it'll be a huge problem for whoever is manager.... Unless we stumble on a Fergie like genius
We're still going to have to give time and patience and rebuild... Unless we see a structural change up above, someone who understands football, who can steer us, we'll likely continue to fail
posted on 2/2/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 55 minutes ago
He needs to get CL football or go
Especially as the bar is as low as ever for top 4 this season
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Let me get this right:
If we manage to secure CL football next season, you won’t continue to call for the manager to be sacked this summer?
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As I said to Darren yesterday which he agreed was fair..
‘As long as Poch is available and as long as Ole continues to confound us with bizarre decisions etc I won’t ever be happy with him as manager BUT as I assume he has targets to hit, I can’t complain if he makes the CL next season’
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Book-fackin-marked
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Do it 😂
I think I’m being fair. I’d begrudgingly accept him get another season if he makes the CL.
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Wait wait wait!
You’re saying he gets the whole of next season without question if we qualify for the CL?
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😂
Noooo, my wording may have been off there.
I mean if he makes the CL I’d ‘allow’ (you know what I mean) him to keep the job going into season 2. I can’t say all of season 2 because he might start horrifically.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
Say we finish 8th and the football is just as boring by the end of the season
Poch is available and says he is interested
What do you choose?
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If we finish as low as 8th he'll be gone.... Unless there's something like Ighalo infecting the entire squad with kungflu or a similar sort of disaster
I'm open to Poch... Absolutely a good coach.... My points on him are more pushing back against you granting messiah status
I'm open to Nagelsmann... Would be a really bold appointment
Open to anyone bar Moyes, LVG or Jose
Again though.... Poch/Nagelsmann... Our squad doesn't suit eithers preferred tactics (especially Nagelsmann)
Look... I'm not strictly Ole in or out
I love the guy... But I'm not blind to things he gets wrong
But he's not getting everything wrong... And I'm giving him a bit of (maybe a lot of) benefit of the doubt re formation and tactics as to players available. I'd imagine he'd rather have added more players in and shipped more out.... Unless he's mad obv. Our lack of movement up front drives me mad... Yesterday being a perfect example... I don't know whether to blame him or just give up on martial
I again think our biggest problem is the clubs direction and planning regarding on field issues... Or lack of it
And i think it'll be a huge problem for whoever is manager.... Unless we stumble on a Fergie like genius
We're still going to have to give time and patience and rebuild... Unless we see a structural change up above, someone who understands football, who can steer us, we'll likely continue to fail
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Fair enough 👍
Thanks for helping make ‘Kungflu’ a thing Shugmeister
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 22 minutes ago
What would be the minimum expectation for Ole to keep his job Shugsy?
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I honestly don't know... Champions league and he's safe
In saying that Jose finished second but i hated the season and the nonsense he was spouting that much I'd have sacked him that summer
Again... I'm not blindly, defend at all costs, "robb under Jose or Moysie" Ole in
It depends on what happens between now and the end of the season... Scrape CL, win the Europa, win FA cup while just missing out of top 4... Given the injuries etc... Improving performance and style with players returning
Or we could sink like a stone... Or we could scrape top 4 but the play gets worse
All possible
I just don't know... For me anyway.
Results and CL will probably make the decision for Ed.
posted on 2/2/20
We obviously need a better manager. When we fail to make CL football I suspect that is just what will happen as well.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 3 seconds ago
Get the players and the manager right and all the problems with the board will just float away.
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Ignoring that ultimately the problems with the board are what has caused the issue with manager appointments and player purchases
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The board have appointed the best managers available
And those managers have chosen the players
posted on 2/2/20
Structural changes from top to bottom with Ed going back to doing what he does best whatever the fack that is.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 4 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 55 minutes ago
He needs to get CL football or go
Especially as the bar is as low as ever for top 4 this season
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Let me get this right:
If we manage to secure CL football next season, you won’t continue to call for the manager to be sacked this summer?
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As I said to Darren yesterday which he agreed was fair..
‘As long as Poch is available and as long as Ole continues to confound us with bizarre decisions etc I won’t ever be happy with him as manager BUT as I assume he has targets to hit, I can’t complain if he makes the CL next season’
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Book-fackin-marked
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Do it 😂
I think I’m being fair. I’d begrudgingly accept him get another season if he makes the CL.
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Wait wait wait!
You’re saying he gets the whole of next season without question if we qualify for the CL?
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😂
Noooo, my wording may have been off there.
I mean if he makes the CL I’d ‘allow’ (you know what I mean) him to keep the job going into season 2. I can’t say all of season 2 because he might start horrifically.
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I’m sorry, Robb - I have to take your first answer
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