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comment by Sol (U2745)

posted on 6/2/20

I'll stick the write-up here if that's ok. 25 minutes on JKA's fitness
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12.31pm: Here we go

Marcelo takes his seat


Forest and Brentford then Bristol City - most important week so far?

Every match is important. To play against opponents that are close to us in the table also has another value. But all the games and points are always going to be important.


On Augustin

I have to give you a long answer. Augustin is a player with a lot of impact, he has a lot of skills and resources, you can realise about that for how much he cost, how much he was sold, how much he was got for and the teams he has played for. But Kevin in the last eight months played three full matches so when one player in this period plays just three full matches the conclusion about his fitness levels are clear. If you see one team like Wigan for example they sold their two best players, one to Milan and then the no 10, why do you think that is happening and they are fighting for relegation - why is that? Because of the fair play and the financial impact so you know perfectly that Leeds cannot buy a player even if they would like to buy a player so do do you think one player with the background of Augustin can arrive to our club if he is not in the situation where is now, because one player of his level with his background and skills and characteristics if he was playing he is a player who costs £30 or £40m. So if he arrived here without paying this money it is because he has to resolve one problem which is why he wasn't playing. Some players have skills and have resources but putting those resources and skills on to the pitch and on to an official match is not the same. All this is related to his fitness performance, it is very important. Also, Ryan Edmondson played 20 matches for the under 23s, what I saw was never enough to be considered for me. Even though we watch every match and try and help him to progress, in the last training he had, he had a great performance and in this one he had an injury. Si you have the development, the player grows and then you have the luck factor. And also you have loyalty or not in the engagement because Nketiah arrived here because Leeds was the ideal place to grow because it was me who was going to coach him but I don't believe these messages, Everything around the transfer of Eddie was lie, Eddie came to play, he played, he played and he left but even worse because he in two situations, I put Bamford on the bench and from the months he was with us, two months we wasn't able to play. Players do pre-season, when one player in six months plays three matches do you think he will arrive to one club and will play. That underestimates the club and the institution. Clarke, in the last match he played in the under 23s, I sent him a message congratulating him because after four months of work he was again the player hew was when he started. The next day he left Leeds. Baker, we were six months working with him. When we found his best level, he left the club. Leeds is one institution, one club and less Marcelo. In Leeds I try and manage every situation being humble. But if you think that one player will come here and play without reason, it is not like that. The players arrive here are going to play if they are better than the players playing. I am very confident in Augustin's qualities and strengths, he is a player with great, great skills but in football and even more in one league like the Championship that is the fifth or sixth best league in the world, he is not going ti arrive and play without being at his ideal level. As I know my characteristics as manager, I know I am not a big manager but also I know some things clearly, for instance if we have training in the week and the player plays very, very good or plays very well for the under-23s, this doesn't mean that he is going to play in the first team and have an impact. But what I saw a few few times is the opposite, that one player that has not made an impact or in training or in the under 23s, he plays in the first team and has an impact. There are some exceptions such as players who have had five years in the Championship and have the experience. You don't analyse the matches of the under 23s because every week I receive messages about why is Edmondson not playing. I am the first one who wants Edmondson playing here, when he had the injury in the knee last week, he didn't know that he had this injury in the knee so he started to shadow him staying continue playing because you are doing great training, you are doing what we expect if you in 20 minutes in 18 months and then the luck decided him. So, all the comments around the player who arrives, the first thing I have to say with being humble to play in our first team and the XI starters the player has to be close to his best level linking the skills, fitness level and resources. If Augustin gets to play at 70 per cent of his skills he is going to be enough for him to play here. But if we can use just 50 per cent of his skills it is not going to be enough because he competes with Bamford and Tyler Roberts as well It is very easy to criticise Bamford for missing chances. He scored 12 times and he has done enough but underestimate one player like Bamford and look for solutions in any way is not the best way. I know perfectly which is the physical level of Augustin, I can talk to you for 15 minutes about his physical qualities, each quality, and I also know the physical performance you have to have to try and show the skills on the pitch because the skills and resources you have as a player transmit into the match if you are mentally and physically prepared. So think that one player in the last eight months played three matches, that is not absolutely what is football. And about how we judge the work of those people whose function is bringing people into the club, how could we bring in one great no 9 without money because we cannot pay one player because of the fair play. It is easy to say Bamford is missing chances but you have to analyse the situation of every player. I interpret Leeds with humility but think that this is the club that one player cannot arrive and just play and show himself because you have a lot of information or you should have this information but don't be necessary to take 20 minutes to explain this.

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comment by Sol (U2745)

posted on 6/2/20

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Incredible from Bielsa

This answer is now stretching into 25 minutes. More praise for Eddie Nketiah here now as he says Nketiah will be one of the best players in England.


Might it help you being away the next two games

There are no expectations, there are doubts. The supporters are not believing any more in our team, but we believe, for this reason, now I am asking. When one person is in the sea and he is in dying, the supporters are not believing in ourselves but we believe in ourselves more than ever and we always wish we play in Elland Road because our supporter never damages our team so for us playing away is not something good for us because if you think it is better playing away than home that means playing at home is uncomfortable and it's not like this and if a supporter has lost his faith in the team, it is us a team that have to recover the confidence that the supporter doesn't have now. But if the supporters don't believe in us any more, it doesn't mean we don't. What we are not going to do is give up and not trust in ourselves. Keep the trust in ourselves. Most of the matches we have lost, means people don't trust more in our team, we are forced to analyse what we make as a team and take conclusions to correct. We are doing this and we know what the problems are and what the solutions are that can maybe resolve those questions so I prefer to take the responsibility for our mistakes then put them on to someone else. If I accept that Augustin has to play, it doesn't matter how, thinking that Augustin in this moment is not going to resolve the problem then I am am not taking responsibility and putting it on Augustin instead. Augustin will play when he is in good condition to show what he can do.


Have you had this sense of doubt before?

In every team, every team which loses three matches in a row, you have this doubt in it. To the players understanding how unfair it is what we are feeling at the moment, I make a summary in the City v Tottenham match. And after if you watch this match you can find a lot of similar things that are happening to our team and how we lose our matches and I don't want to give all the information about the wok we have done, to not make a problem on to a different club that is not Leeds because when you describe one bad problem it is impossible that you find right solutions, If you don't describe the problem well you are not going to find the right solution. About the last match against Wigan I can talk about a lot of things that explain the situation. I will summarise. It was impossible to concede one goal, it was impossible to not score one goal, we did, it was impossible to lose, and we lost. If you try to find something similar with this Wigan match that we lost last season, even if they are kind of similar they don't have a link, so we need to analyse why we didn't score and why we conceded so we have to analyse how we are attacking and how we are defending. When you score goal it doesn't mean necessarily that you attack well and when you concede just one goal it doesn't mean you are defending well because if it is one shot from outside of the box. The second conclusion is how Leeds attack, one team that puts the ball to the side because Wigan have a lot of players in the middle, We cross 30 times, 17 or 18 crosses were outside the box and inside the box they had eight or nine players and in those conditions we created 15 clear chances and the other resource we could use, transforming the left full back into a more offensive position and we had a second centre forward that was Tyler Roberts, what I should demand to the team, I can demand that we lost and one thing in losing is what we have to correct. It is easy to say Bamford missed chances and after you take a picture of the goals he missed there are eight players inside the six yard box and you know the statistics of the team who create more chances. If attacks have three chances and score twice, and we are not this. Leeds is never going to be like that when I am manager. It's not like we compare with Manchester City. In the last match they missed eight chances, they conceded two goals from three chances, they had 70 per cent of the ball so the way cannot be to say to City that they had three chances. If Leeds to win one match we have to play with the play in our own half, receive a lot of chances from the opponent, counter attack three times in the match and wait if he score two or of those three chances, I cannot imagine football like that. If we have to name team that were honest it was Wigan because everything they did was in their regulations.

comment by Sol (U2745)

posted on 6/2/20

Another very long answer from Bielsa

We always want to play at Elland Road, never playing away is going to be a solution because supporters for us are not a problem.


How do you stop the doubt reaching the players?

This is not a question that you cannot answer yourself because the team never shows doubt. Because Leeds always took risks, with wanting doubt, is what is called in basketball when one player misses when through, When one player has doubt, he doesn't take risks and one thing our team does is always take risks. I want to be very decent and honest with you because I say the team doesn't have doubt and maybe in some instance they do, like when 3-0 became 3-3. We don't know how to play without play, what we should have done in the last ten minutes against Cardiff so I will say that the team doubts when they need to do when our team needs to what we don't do. We always try and we always get what we are looking for, when our team tries to take risks and tries to be the protagonists that is when we are doing what we do, when we don't we are forced to do what we don't do. But also the team has grown a lot in this sense because when matches have progressed we have had less mistakes that have not been forced by the opponents.


Marcelo asked about the pressure

There is no pressure, I don't feel pressed. I am pressed like this because I want to explain when I talk. I put my energy into the communications. I know that communicating doesn't guarantee anything but for me what matters and what is important that supporters know what I think. This is not a relationship between you and I, it is between me and the public that you write for. But it doesn't mean that you are going to say 100 per cent what I want. I need to say what I think and for supporters to listen to what I think.


Fifty-nine minutes

An epic press conference from Marcelo Bielsa finishes just short of the hour mark.

posted on 6/2/20

Thanks Sol, what an interview that was!.

posted on 6/2/20

I love Bielsa.

But...You have to wonder the logic in his own summary...We have just signed a player way short of match form at arguably our most critical month in decades.

This almost feels like a signing with next year in mind. I see similarities with Izzy Brown.

Augustine is a long term project. I hope it works.

It just feels more logical to have gone for a Murray type who is ready made

posted on 6/2/20

Cheers Sol once again

Could gave gone into a bit more detail on the Augustin situation. Felt too brief

Just wonder when we will see him play

posted on 6/2/20

Think Bielsa is too proud and almost stubborn to try and blame anyone else. He doesn’t want to try and make excuses and is vehement this group can get promotion.

Seen a lot of idiots lately (mainly social media) saying he should go. The bloke is a football genius and has worked miracles with this squad.

Think people forget he inherited a bang average squad, has had some of his better players sold from beneath him, and our recruitment policy is pathetic.

Almost any other manager would be struggling to get us in the top half.

Glad he’s still got that fire inside, hope the new lad is on the bench soon as I think our fate rests on his shoulders. A good striker can transform this side. If he’s the real deal he will fire us to the top flight.

posted on 6/2/20

comment by The Hayemaker (U14625)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think Bielsa is too proud and almost stubborn to try and blame anyone else. He doesn’t want to try and make excuses and is vehement this group can get promotion.

Seen a lot of idiots lately (mainly social media) saying he should go. The bloke is a football genius and has worked miracles with this squad.

Think people forget he inherited a bang average squad, has had some of his better players sold from beneath him, and our recruitment policy is pathetic.

Almost any other manager would be struggling to get us in the top half.

Glad he’s still got that fire inside, hope the new lad is on the bench soon as I think our fate rests on his shoulders. A good striker can transform this side. If he’s the real deal he will fire us to the top flight.
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Bang. Spot on with this.

posted on 6/2/20

He's stated in the interview that we've got JKA in his current state as otherwise we'd not afford him or anyone similar. Probably right.

Personally I still think he should at least be on the bench and start getting a few minutes here and there to build up fitness that way.

So easy from my armchair this management lark …..

posted on 6/2/20

comment by VOF - There may be trouble ahead .... (U17124)
posted 56 seconds ago
He's stated in the interview that we've got JKA in his current state as otherwise we'd not afford him or anyone similar. Probably right.

Personally I still think he should at least be on the bench and start getting a few minutes here and there to build up fitness that way.

So easy from my armchair this management lark …..
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Agree with that. Journalists don’t seem to ask good follow up questions anymore:

1) so what is the programme for introducing Kevin into games?
2) when do you anticipate Kevin could be ready to compete for a starting place?

posted on 6/2/20

comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) עם ישראל חי (U9756)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by VOF - There may be trouble ahead .... (U17124)
posted 56 seconds ago
He's stated in the interview that we've got JKA in his current state as otherwise we'd not afford him or anyone similar. Probably right.

Personally I still think he should at least be on the bench and start getting a few minutes here and there to build up fitness that way.

So easy from my armchair this management lark …..
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Agree with that. Journalists don’t seem to ask good follow up questions anymore:

1) so what is the programme for introducing Kevin into games?
2) when do you anticipate Kevin could be ready to compete for a starting place?
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Yeah agree with you too.

Is the problem that MB won't give a timeline/programme? I suppose he'll not want to commit or give any artificial expectation to the fans.

Fan reactions/thoughts do seem to be high on his awareness scales mind.

posted on 6/2/20

So what's the point of JKA? Bielsa makes football sound so complex, when it's really just a simple game.

posted on 6/2/20

I think the reason Bielsa doesn't play the blame game is because he sets the team to play the way he wants them to, and they're so good at it if it fails he takes the blame!..

Others set their teams up and when it fails they kick the crap out of them, sometimes its their fault and not the players!..

And I've said a few times and it is in the Media, Augustin was sent out on loan because RB got a new manager and wanted his own players!..

Been told by loads over here he's a brilliant player when on form and a mate who watches what Leeds are doing,(because of me!)says he's exactly what Leeds need!..

"So what's the point of JKA? Bielsa makes football sound so complex, when it's really just a simple game."

Yep Lowfields, it is easy to bring people down without praising them when they get it right!..

posted on 6/2/20

comment by Lowfields73 (U21886)
posted 19 minutes ago
So what's the point of JKA? Bielsa makes football sound so complex, when it's really just a simple game.
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You ever done any research on Bielsa?

His methods and training regimes are far from simple. Football is a complex game that can be made to look simple when executed correctly.

Saying Bielsa’s side is ‘simple’ is garbage pal.

posted on 6/2/20

Not sure this club will ever be the same again once he’s gone,

posted on 6/2/20

Being not such a simple game may be a reason Lowfields can only coment when things go wrong!..

"Not sure this club will ever be the same again once he’s gone"

Hopefully the people around him carry it on, that's if the then owners want it!..

comment by Jaz63 (U8369)

posted on 6/2/20

Thanks Sol.

It makes sense we'd never have got near Big Kev if he was firing on all four cylinders - he's one to watch for the future then - except that there isn't much left of this season and he's only on loan at the moment. Seems like half the squad are loanees!

The fact remains that, like or loathe Bamford (and I like him), we do need another striker and we need him NOW, if only to give Bamford some competition. Will Tyler Roberts ever fulfil his potential? Whatever that is, he isn't a no9.

Is Big Kev another Lasogga, then?

posted on 6/2/20

If Bielsa had got Lasogga and got him to his standerds you never know, he might have been the best striker ever!..

As for Augustin, if he's a fit enough player it might not take to much training to get him up to scratch!..

posted on 6/2/20

comment by Lowfields73 (U21886)
posted 46 minutes ago
So what's the point of JKA? Bielsa makes football sound so complex, when it's really just a simple game.
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Agree

I want straight answers to questions instead of cryptic jargon. I feel out of touch with the manager these days whereas i enjoyed listening to Monk and TC.

Is JKA near the first team? Just needs a 30 second response as to yes or no, not a 25 minute symphony.

posted on 6/2/20

Football is a complex game that can be made to look simple when executed correctly

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What a load of s#it.......... it's a simple game, that's the beauty of it.

posted on 6/2/20

I swear if Bielsa said the moon was made of cheese, you lot would believe it.

posted on 6/2/20

I hope "if" we win promotion you catch that Rocket to the Moon!..

Like cheese do you?..

posted on 6/2/20

The more I listen to Bielsa, the more I feel he lacks understanding of what makes players tick. And this is why we have style and possession, but no bite. As Gary Bloom said in his YEP interview, this feeds into the mentality of the players and the fans, and becomes a self-perpetuating belief.
I need a psychotherapist and we're not even into the hard part of the season.

posted on 6/2/20

comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 10 minutes ago
The more I listen to Bielsa, the more I feel he lacks understanding of what makes players tick. And this is why we have style and possession, but no bite. As Gary Bloom said in his YEP interview, this feeds into the mentality of the players and the fans, and becomes a self-perpetuating belief.
I need a psychotherapist and we're not even into the hard part of the season.
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The state of some of our fans.

Jeeez.

Give up.

posted on 6/2/20

Thing is with Bielsa, the players he has he got a lot of when he joined us, he with those players brought us closer to the Premier league than anybody, but still gets dragged down!..

Now, he's yet again according to some been stuck with a load of new nobodys that are in a team second from top and still gets crapped on!..

So, here's looking forward to the next game and hoping we get that run going again, because that is all that is needed to sort this league out one way or the other!..

Its ok, I can live with the old "told you's so" people, I'll not lose sleep even if they're right, as long as others can say "we told you so" if we make it!..

Hopefully when that Rocket lands it lands nose first and sticks very very deep in the cheesy stuff!.

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