Is darko still on garden leave?
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Are we still paying terry vegetables
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No. Colin was a disaster.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 20 minutes ago
When TC was shown the door Orta struck his hand up and said 'there's this coach called Heckingbottom'.....one wonders what his next suggestion will be.
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He also suggested Bielsa.
comment by Stevie (Ferox) Dee (U10061)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 20 minutes ago
When TC was shown the door Orta struck his hand up and said 'there's this coach called Heckingbottom'.....one wonders what his next suggestion will be.
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He also suggested Bielsa.
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The Bielsa that you’re saying is not the solution!
You said Bielsa wouldn’t last a few months & we should have gone for Pauli’s or McCarthy
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
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comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Stevie (Ferox) Dee (U10061)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 20 minutes ago
When TC was shown the door Orta struck his hand up and said 'there's this coach called Heckingbottom'.....one wonders what his next suggestion will be.
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He also suggested Bielsa.
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The Bielsa that you’re saying is not the solution!
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Absolutely but you're simply focusing on Orta. He's not the only one responsible for the recruitment. His is not the final decision.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
Orta is the one making the recommendations, it’s ARs fault if he thinks Ortas sheet hit rate is good.
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
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Bielsa was praising the club for its work in teh transfer window saying it was best he';d seen in football, praising Orta, has always heaped praise on Orta saying this is his team.
He has never once complained about the players indeed last season said they would get in his Athletic Bilbao side.
Therefore its hard to see that he has not got what he wants, and, that being the case, if he has what he wants and falls short, it is entirely his responsibility.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
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Bielsa was praising the club for its work in teh transfer window saying it was best he';d seen in football, praising Orta, has always heaped praise on Orta saying this is his team.
He has never once complained about the players indeed last season said they would get in his Athletic Bilbao side.
Therefore its hard to see that he has not got what he wants, and, that being the case, if he has what he wants and falls short, it is entirely his responsibility.
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Fair enough Jonty I read from that press conference that he was just keeping it factual. Missed the bit about best he’s seen
Sadly I think Bielsa is a pareto man. 80% of things he gets right but the 20% flaws undermine his success. He won't deviate one bit from his methods and too long in the tooth to be pragmatic and adapt to the situations on things like squad size and tactics while your Wilders and others who can, walk away with the results.
I think the board are every bit as culpable. They can sow the FFP seed in our heads in the programme notes all they like but if they hadn't slashed away £40m on 3 and 4 year contracts like confetti giving Orta carte Blanche we wouldn't be in that position.
Fair enough, interesting if that's the case.
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
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Bielsa was praising the club for its work in teh transfer window saying it was best he';d seen in football, praising Orta, has always heaped praise on Orta saying this is his team.
He has never once complained about the players indeed last season said they would get in his Athletic Bilbao side.
Therefore its hard to see that he has not got what he wants, and, that being the case, if he has what he wants and falls short, it is entirely his responsibility.
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Fair enough Jonty I read from that press conference that he was just keeping it factual. Missed the bit about best he’s seen
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Dont get me wrong, I'm so thankful we've had him at Leeds for culture and integrity, but if he keeps saying he doesn't need players that club give him everything he needs and players are best in division then he has no excuses for not delivering.
But re integrity, he went to great lengths to explain how Augustin not ready as only played 3 times in 8 months, not fair to fans, club and players if he plays him, then 2 days later he plays him!
Sign of utter desperation.
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I know another team like that.
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by VOF - There may be trouble ahead .... (U17124)
posted 9 minutes ago
But still I’ve got a feeling we’ll make it this season. No logic or reason, but just think we will.
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I still think we will. Because at our best we are by far the best side in this league. We have shown that. Comments making out like we are terrible at everything is clearly wrong. We wouldn’t be second otherwise.
But right now players are playing no where near their best. The level that we have seen from them this season.
Need to sort this out and return to that again now though. Otherwise it will be too late
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Not sure what you are basing this on. Best side in this league does not lose to bottom 3 side, does not fail to score in match after match and does not concede soft goals game after game. Promotion is a distant dream after the last 2 months showing I am afraid
I think this gets very extreme in places. There is a clear mental fatigue around the players. Too much pressure, too little confidence, and those aren't things that are easy to change.
He should have brought Meslier in weeks ago. I don't think Casilla is a bad keeper, I just think he is a confidence player who, when he is on the slide, makes mistakes. He shouldn't be in the headlights rn. Same as Bamford.
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posted on 8/2/20
Is darko still on garden leave?
posted on 8/2/20
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posted on 8/2/20
Are we still paying terry vegetables
posted on 8/2/20
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posted on 8/2/20
No. Colin was a disaster.
posted on 8/2/20
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 20 minutes ago
When TC was shown the door Orta struck his hand up and said 'there's this coach called Heckingbottom'.....one wonders what his next suggestion will be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He also suggested Bielsa.
posted on 8/2/20
comment by Stevie (Ferox) Dee (U10061)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 20 minutes ago
When TC was shown the door Orta struck his hand up and said 'there's this coach called Heckingbottom'.....one wonders what his next suggestion will be.
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He also suggested Bielsa.
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The Bielsa that you’re saying is not the solution!
posted on 8/2/20
You said Bielsa wouldn’t last a few months & we should have gone for Pauli’s or McCarthy
posted on 8/2/20
Pulis
posted on 8/2/20
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
posted on 8/2/20
*seemed
posted on 8/2/20
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posted on 8/2/20
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
posted on 8/2/20
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Stevie (Ferox) Dee (U10061)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 20 minutes ago
When TC was shown the door Orta struck his hand up and said 'there's this coach called Heckingbottom'.....one wonders what his next suggestion will be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He also suggested Bielsa.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Bielsa that you’re saying is not the solution!
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Absolutely but you're simply focusing on Orta. He's not the only one responsible for the recruitment. His is not the final decision.
posted on 8/2/20
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
posted on 8/2/20
Orta is the one making the recommendations, it’s ARs fault if he thinks Ortas sheet hit rate is good.
posted on 8/2/20
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bielsa was praising the club for its work in teh transfer window saying it was best he';d seen in football, praising Orta, has always heaped praise on Orta saying this is his team.
He has never once complained about the players indeed last season said they would get in his Athletic Bilbao side.
Therefore its hard to see that he has not got what he wants, and, that being the case, if he has what he wants and falls short, it is entirely his responsibility.
posted on 8/2/20
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bielsa was praising the club for its work in teh transfer window saying it was best he';d seen in football, praising Orta, has always heaped praise on Orta saying this is his team.
He has never once complained about the players indeed last season said they would get in his Athletic Bilbao side.
Therefore its hard to see that he has not got what he wants, and, that being the case, if he has what he wants and falls short, it is entirely his responsibility.
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Fair enough Jonty I read from that press conference that he was just keeping it factual. Missed the bit about best he’s seen
posted on 8/2/20
Sadly I think Bielsa is a pareto man. 80% of things he gets right but the 20% flaws undermine his success. He won't deviate one bit from his methods and too long in the tooth to be pragmatic and adapt to the situations on things like squad size and tactics while your Wilders and others who can, walk away with the results.
I think the board are every bit as culpable. They can sow the FFP seed in our heads in the programme notes all they like but if they hadn't slashed away £40m on 3 and 4 year contracts like confetti giving Orta carte Blanche we wouldn't be in that position.
posted on 8/2/20
Fair enough, interesting if that's the case.
posted on 8/2/20
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14... ( ليدز_يونايتد )You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 3 minutes ago
Derby fan in peace.
Is it Bielsa is failing or he hasn't been given the players he needs? Against us you've seen very well coached and physical but when you run out of huff you've nothing left to break down teams with and will suffer the humiliation of getting beaten by teams of well organised average, like Notts Forest.
Wonder if you had a better striker and a deep lying playmaker you might be able to pick off more teams if Plan A doesn't work n wonder why you didn't try n add more in the summer. Dunno the ins n outs though of your club.
-------------------Biejsa has heaped praise on the clubs transfer business this Jan. He cannot complain about the squad he is the one saying this is all he needs and how his players are better than opponents.
At this point our falling away is entirely down to him.---------------------------------------------------
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That is simply not true Jonty. You have completely taken his comments out of context. He merely said he wants the 2 replacements for Eddie and Clarke and said that’s what the club has delivered. Was hardly “heaping praise”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bielsa was praising the club for its work in teh transfer window saying it was best he';d seen in football, praising Orta, has always heaped praise on Orta saying this is his team.
He has never once complained about the players indeed last season said they would get in his Athletic Bilbao side.
Therefore its hard to see that he has not got what he wants, and, that being the case, if he has what he wants and falls short, it is entirely his responsibility.
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Fair enough Jonty I read from that press conference that he was just keeping it factual. Missed the bit about best he’s seen
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Dont get me wrong, I'm so thankful we've had him at Leeds for culture and integrity, but if he keeps saying he doesn't need players that club give him everything he needs and players are best in division then he has no excuses for not delivering.
But re integrity, he went to great lengths to explain how Augustin not ready as only played 3 times in 8 months, not fair to fans, club and players if he plays him, then 2 days later he plays him!
Sign of utter desperation.
posted on 8/2/20
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posted on 8/2/20
I know another team like that.
posted on 8/2/20
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by VOF - There may be trouble ahead .... (U17124)
posted 9 minutes ago
But still I’ve got a feeling we’ll make it this season. No logic or reason, but just think we will.
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I still think we will. Because at our best we are by far the best side in this league. We have shown that. Comments making out like we are terrible at everything is clearly wrong. We wouldn’t be second otherwise.
But right now players are playing no where near their best. The level that we have seen from them this season.
Need to sort this out and return to that again now though. Otherwise it will be too late
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Not sure what you are basing this on. Best side in this league does not lose to bottom 3 side, does not fail to score in match after match and does not concede soft goals game after game. Promotion is a distant dream after the last 2 months showing I am afraid
posted on 9/2/20
I think this gets very extreme in places. There is a clear mental fatigue around the players. Too much pressure, too little confidence, and those aren't things that are easy to change.
He should have brought Meslier in weeks ago. I don't think Casilla is a bad keeper, I just think he is a confidence player who, when he is on the slide, makes mistakes. He shouldn't be in the headlights rn. Same as Bamford.
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