comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 13 minutes ago
2014. Costa and Fabregas. Not a single great transfer window since. Tells its story
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Does it...?

league titles in 15 & 17 FA Cup in 18 Europa in 19

Done fine

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especially given the managerial upheaval we've had in that time
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And the squads been getting progressively shiiiter since.

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
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comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 13 minutes ago
2014. Costa and Fabregas. Not a single great transfer window since. Tells its story
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Does it...?

league titles in 15 & 17 FA Cup in 18 Europa in 19

Done fine

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especially given the managerial upheaval we've had in that time
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And the squads been getting progressively shiiiter since.
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Spurs would fackin kill for that

2014. Costa and Fabregas. Not a single great transfer window since. Tells its story
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There in lies the problem with this belief that the board are incompetent. That's a hindsight prospective.

Since 2014 we've had windows & signed players that looked decent until proven wrong, but decisions all these fans who whine about the board (like a reflex) would've done themselves. Morata's a brilliant example of this, there was a brief window of time where he was a fan favorite & seen as a great signing (remember one poster on here comparing him to Liverpool Torres).

Our board aren't perfect by any means, please don't assume I'm implying that, but believe me we could do FAR worse! Ask United or Arsenal fans if they'd trade? Guarantee 99% of them would happily.

If we considered that money as our potential summer transfer budget (~£180m w/ add. funds coming from player sales), what would be your ideal signings in the summer?

I'd say at the very least, we need 1 starting LB, 1 striker to challenge Abraham (i.e. backup/starting quality), 2 wingers (replacing Willian and Pedro) and potentially 1 keeper (if we're serious about replacing Kepa). I'm reasonably happy with the rest of our squad (ie. CBs, CMs and RB)

GK: Onana? (~£40m)
LB: Telles (£30-40m)
Wingers: Ziyech (~£40m); Sancho (~£130m)
Striker: Dembele (~£60m)

Estimated upper total: £310m

That means we'd have to raise ~£130m from player sales, which is more than doable (Alonso/Emerson, Bakayoko, Pasalic, Batshuayi, Kepa, Drinkwater etc.)

Morata's a brilliant example of this, there was a brief window of time where he was a fan favorite & seen as a great signing
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From day one I said Morata would flop. Day one.

In terms of signings since 2014 I would have made, I think Kante, Pedro, and Pulisic are the only ones. Rudiger and Alonso were pleasant surprises, the rest were expectedly shiiit.

In that time period I can’t even count how many quality players city and Liverpool have signed. We have more financial power than Liverpool (supposedly) and were a better team than them at the start of the period. so what’s the excuse other than complete incompetence?

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 31 minutes ago
Morata's a brilliant example of this, there was a brief window of time where he was a fan favorite & seen as a great signing
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From day one I said Morata would flop. Day one.

In terms of signings since 2014 I would have made, I think Kante, Pedro, and Pulisic are the only ones. Rudiger and Alonso were pleasant surprises, the rest were expectedly shiiit.

In that time period I can’t even count how many quality players city and Liverpool have signed. We have more financial power than Liverpool (supposedly) and were a better team than them at the start of the period. so what’s the excuse other than complete incompetence?
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morata started like a house on fire...he scored something like 7 or 8 goals in the first 8 games... And made it look pretty effortless... Many had high hopes for him

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 50 minutes ago
Morata's a brilliant example of this, there was a brief window of time where he was a fan favorite & seen as a great signing
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From day one I said Morata would flop. Day one.

In terms of signings since 2014 I would have made, I think Kante, Pedro, and Pulisic are the only ones. Rudiger and Alonso were pleasant surprises, the rest were expectedly shiiit.

In that time period I can’t even count how many quality players city and Liverpool have signed. We have more financial power than Liverpool (supposedly) and were a better team than them at the start of the period. so what’s the excuse other than complete incompetence?
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The financial power you had over us is gone. We have plans to extend our stadium and have the record Nike deal which will get us 75m more a year than Chelsea.

I think you have a chance to surpass Man United financially in the upcoming years as your transfer business is much better. There is a clear plan in buying players unlike Man United.

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
Well no, it we have 206 furrrking million and we tried we’d have signed someone wouldn’t we
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you're not a chelsea fan so you can't say we.
and chelsea tried and didn't sign someone. nobody available.
who would you propose they signed?

wahl is getting worse. moron of the highest order.

the amount of bad signings clubs make in January far outstrips good signings.

he said he wants werner who said he wouldnt leave RB because they are in a title battle.

He just ignores reality and thinks hes playing football manager. shows his age.

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Funny Wahl reappearing of late...the Utd board have had the long lost Stretty turn up this week too

Yeah I agree sideshow, I want to now be hearing the same names every week in the press, 2 or 3 names, till the end of the season. make them your targets and target them hard. make them feel wanted. then summer transfer window opens and get them in early. A few of our signings over the last few years we've made have hardly had any pre season etc

A lot of the boards failings over the last couple of seasons has been trying to accommodate the short-term needs of our results-based managers (cough, Mourinho, cough Conte). It has been a period where the board have stepped on rake after rake, however I would tie that down to us untangling ourselves from the boom and bust cycle we kept falling into, rather than general incompetence. It is no coincidence that we always land on our feet either. One thing you can always count on under Roman is that he will not sit by and let us stagnate.

My main issue with the board this season, is that there doesn’t seem to be any sense of direction and decisiveness with our transfer activity. I would have thought that during our transfer ban we would have created more of a plan on our transfer targets, yet we were lodging last minute bids for Mertens (would have been a good singing IMO) when we should have made attempts for him earlier if we were genuinely interested.
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Where I give our board slack is ever since rehiring Mourinho in 2013 you can see them making conscious efforts to correct mistakes of the past. There's been a theme of repeating our history but approaching it in a better way :

- Fully backing Mourinho this time (too much).

- Hiring Conte as a natural successor without the divergent change in direction, like Scolari was in 2008.

- 2017-18 transfer window was horrible, but it was a genuine effort to refresh a title winning squad rather than coast on it (like we'd done the previous two times). We just got too clever. Gave Conte longer than expected too.

- Our approach to the Sarri appointment was SO much better than our approach to AVB. Weren't taken for mugs by the selling club, got his chosen playmaker in the same day, got him his chosen CF eventually & gave him the chance to end strong when sacking him mid-season would've been so easy.

They're not doing everything right but you can see they're trying, that's what's important for me. Rather have our situation than Arsenal's (where the board don't care), United's (where Ed's an ego maniac), or Spurs' (where Levy's only concern is lining his pockets).

How are we compared to city and Liverpool? That’s where we should be aiming at, not the teams in their own messes.

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 11 minutes ago
How are we compared to city and Liverpool? That’s where we should be aiming at, not the teams in their own messes.
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Above them over the last 5-10 years.

Miles off. But there's so many factors that have contributed to City & Liverpool's structures coming together that transcends effective player recruitment. The fact both have the two best managers in the world is quite a big factor.

The fact we had a ban, lost our best player, lost our goal scorer 2-3 years ago, had ageing legends leave. Football is a cycle is not a cliche

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 hours, 7 minutes ago
The fact we had a ban, lost our best player, lost our goal scorer 2-3 years ago, had ageing legends leave. Football is a cycle is not a cliche
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Which exactly backs up what I'm saying, that we haven't had a great transfer window in at least 5 years and the squads been getting progressively worse in that time period

One transfer window isn't enough for everything to go to shiiit. We've been getting progressively worse for years and City and Liverpool have been getting progressively better. That's down to them showing ambition in the transfer market and us just messing around.

2017-18 transfer window was horrible, but it was a genuine effort to refresh a title winning squad rather than coast on it (like we'd done the previous two times). We just got too clever.
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No we didn't, we were too cheap which backfired because we ended up spending around 200m anyway, just on 5 shiiit players instead of 2 or 3 good ones. Instead of making a big money signing at CM to replace Matic, we signed Drinkwater and Bakayoko. Morata was the only big money signing and like I said, from day one I knew he would flop. Compare him and his mentality and aggression to Drogba or Costa and you could see that easily


Our approach to the Sarri appointment was SO much better than our approach to AVB. Weren't taken for mugs by the selling club, got his chosen playmaker in the same day, got him his chosen CF eventually & gave him the chance to end strong when sacking him mid-season would've been so easy.
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The Sarri appointment itself was the mistake. You're the one talking about natural successors, so how was Sarri a natural successor to Conte? Simeone or Allegri would have been a better choice.

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 hours, 7 minutes ago
The fact we had a ban, lost our best player, lost our goal scorer 2-3 years ago, had ageing legends leave. Football is a cycle is not a cliche
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Which exactly backs up what I'm saying, that we haven't had a great transfer window in at least 5 years and the squads been getting progressively worse in that time period

One transfer window isn't enough for everything to go to shiiit. We've been getting progressively worse for years and City and Liverpool have been getting progressively better. That's down to them showing ambition in the transfer market and us just messing around.
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lol you're so stupid it makes me chuckle. You really think even with decent transfer windows we could replace our best cb,midfielder and striker possibly of all time just like that? Doesn't work like that, some work out , some don't. grow up.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
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comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 8 hours, 7 minutes ago
The fact we had a ban, lost our best player, lost our goal scorer 2-3 years ago, had ageing legends leave. Football is a cycle is not a cliche
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Which exactly backs up what I'm saying, that we haven't had a great transfer window in at least 5 years and the squads been getting progressively worse in that time period

One transfer window isn't enough for everything to go to shiiit. We've been getting progressively worse for years and City and Liverpool have been getting progressively better. That's down to them showing ambition in the transfer market and us just messing around.
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lol you're so stupid it makes me chuckle. You really think even with decent transfer windows we could replace our best cb,midfielder and striker possibly of all time just like that? Doesn't work like that, some work out , some don't. grow up.
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What excuse is there for us to be so far behind Liverpool now considering 5 years ago we were champions and they didn’t even qualify for the champions league? It’s simple, they hired a good manager and showed ambition in the transfer market time and time again: We stopped backing mourinho after he won the league and then we fired him, we hired Conte, didn’t back him properly and fired him, then hired a shiiit manager in sarri and furrrked him off. And throughout that entire period we haven’t showed ambition in the transfer market once.

Who have Liverpool signed in the last 5 years? Van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho, Salah, Mane, Firmino, Robertson ....

Who have we signed? Kante is the only player we’ve signed who’s had as big an impact on our team who those guys have for Liverpool. It’s embarrassing how we’ve fallen behind Liverpool on this boards watch. We won the pl in 2015 and didn’t kick on and strengthen and try and improve so we could challenge Europe’s elite. We won the pl in 2017 and again didn’t try and improve ourselves to challenge Europe’s elite. Liverpool and Man City never stop improving their teams and that’s why they’re so far ahead of us. And there’s no excuse for that as far as I’m concerned.

lol klopp is a good manager now? you been saying how Sh!t he was for years. haha.

And stop saying "we". You and I are not the same, you and the other chelsea fans are not the same.

What excuse is there for Chelsea having slipped behind liverpool so far? And don’t say it’s cyclical because there’s no cycles for Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Bayern Munich, Juventus and Manchester City. These teams consistently stay in the top two places and challenge for the league title in their leagues. There were no cycles under sir Alex Ferguson for Manchester United either

Liverpool have a good manager and are ambitious in the transfer market. We have a mediocre manager and no ambition in the transfer market. We haven’t had ambition in the transfer market since 2014. We wouldn’t have signed Kante if he wasn’t available for a low price, I’m sure of that.

What excuse?
Transfer ban, loss of some of our best ever players, players that were backed by the board flopping at the club, top players not coming, losing our best player hazard, terry, lampard, drogba ageing and leeaving, mourinho selling mata and kdb and salah.

You are a moron, no cycles for madrid barca psg munich. so the two richest clubs in the world near enough, and 1 team leagues.
Juve didn't win the league for 8 years, seems like a cycle to me.

Man city, no cycle, are you serious? they hadnt won a title since the 60s before this decade.

Stop being so facking stupid

Transfer ban is one year, im talking about the last 5 years