LVG, he had a clear philosophy, dominated the better teams and promoted youth. If he was given another year, he probably would have brought in the creativity in midfield to stop us passing side ways to much.
Fairly accurate summary of previous managers, despite the drink.
If we're talking long term strategy, two things will help:
1) a more attacking, progressive style of play
2) getting CL footy, as the top players won't have that as an excuse not to join
Spelling and grammar need vast improvement.
See me.
Jose but that’s not saying much as he failed like all the others. His 17/18 squad was probably the best we’ve seen post Ferguson.
I feel sorry for all of them one way or the other as they had to deal with Woodward and weren’t really ever able to fully do what they wanted or were given the time. Although I don’t really think any of them would have made us that much better had they been given more time tbh.
Moyes was never qualified enough, neither is Ole imo. While Jose and LVG at their peak were 2 of the best managers in world football over the past 25 years, however we got neither at their peak. Personally it would be nice to see us go for a youngish manager who has shown some real potential and sees United as a chance to really shine.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 5 hours, 41 minutes ago
LVG, he had a clear philosophy, dominated the better teams and promoted youth. If he was given another year, he probably would have brought in the creativity in midfield to stop us passing side ways to much.
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This...
As for Ole, I'm willing to give him time... If Ole never played for United he'd never in a million years have gotten this job, so he doesn't actually qualify on merit for the job as mentioned above. But the same could have been said of Pep at Barca at the beginning...
He's made a lot of mistakes over the last year, it would be a shame if he didn't learn from them and an even greater shame (imo) if we don't get to benefit from those learnings
Great things do have a habit of starting from humble beginnings...
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 11 hours, 47 minutes ago
LVG, he had a clear philosophy, dominated the better teams and promoted youth. If he was given another year, he probably would have brought in the creativity in midfield to stop us passing side ways to much.
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Agree with this but still hope that Ole will do enough for us to reflect positively on his time in charge.
So far, I’d put them in this order:
1. LVG. Didn’t have time to fully reshape the squad and instil his ideas. Sacked too soon.
2. Mourinho. Appointed at the wrong time with the wrong kind of squad in place (and for the wrong club). Didn’t have the full trust of the executives when it came to the big investments.
3. Ole. Jury is out. Will need time to rebuild the utter mess of a squad he inherited and change the footballing culture, which he probably won’t be given.
4. Moyes. Suffered the results of two of the most shambolic transfer windows probably any club has even seen and hung out to dry by the executive. Sacked too soon for us to know how he would have fared with a rebuilt side.
Mourinho. Appointed at the wrong time with the wrong kind of squad in place (and for the wrong club). Didn’t have the full trust of the executives when it came to the big investments.
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Same could be said for LVG
Completely didn’t get what we needed at United
Rosso
Do you genuinely believe LVG would have improved had he had a third season? Do you not remember how his second season went, the football at times was possibly the worst we’ve seen post Ferguson. LVGs best period was those 3 games near the end of his first season where we actually played some good stuff and at the start of the second season where the football wasn’t great but we were solid. After that it all went down hill and he lost the plot, I don’t see where the signs were to suggest things would have improved going into a third season.
I think all 4 managers where hired at the wrong time tbf.
I still think we should have got Jose when Fergie left... He'd fell out with everyone at Madrid but wasn't quite as damaged as when we did get him
And Ed was still in his Billy Big Balls stage so would have been more likely to trust him in the market
LVG got his seasons mixed up.... Second season we were short a striker and a pacy winger... If Di Maria and Falcao had worked out who knows
But imo he should have been trying to set a style of play season 1 rather than 2.... That run of games at the end of the first season, baffles me why he didn't stick with that approach, we were superb in that spell
Don’t forget how useless Woodward was in his first summer for Moyes. I think Jose would have possibly been a good option straight after Ferguson but he would have unlikely got any of the players he wanted with Woodward that summer. Moyes wanted Fabregas, Kroos, Tiago and ended up paying more than his release fee for Fellaini.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don’t forget how useless Woodward was in his first summer for Moyes. I think Jose would have possibly been a good option straight after Ferguson but he would have unlikely got any of the players he wanted with Woodward that summer. Moyes wanted Fabregas, Kroos, Tiago and ended up paying more than his release fee for Fellaini.
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Its the one summer i don't entirely blame woodward for
Moyes is known as being a ditherer... Everton fans nicknamed him dithering dave
I thought it was him who couldn't decide if Tiago was up to the premier league... Kroos was lined up for the summer after not his first..
Always thought Fabregas was a waste of time tbh
He pulled the plug on Herrera that summer but spoke to him to say if he impressed he'd go back in for him
Woodward was inexperienced though... I think Joses stature at that point could have carried him (as would Fergie if he didn't retire)
But surely he was hired to take on a very important job, there wasn’t really any excuse that he wasn’t experienced enough, he shouldn’t have been hired for the position in that case. Everyone knew how big and important that summer was going to be.
No one pulled the plug on Herrera, we naively thought we could get the deal done in a day or 2 when we since learnt that buying from Basque clubs is a long process and not straight forward which led to the whole fiasco with the lawyers.
Was Kroos lines up for the next summer, I don’t remember?
Yeah, Kroos said he had a deal lined up with Moyes. For whatever reason LVG wasn’t keen
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
But surely he was hired to take on a very important job, there wasn’t really any excuse that he wasn’t experienced enough, he shouldn’t have been hired for the position in that case. Everyone knew how big and important that summer was going to be.
No one pulled the plug on Herrera, we naively thought we could get the deal done in a day or 2 when we since learnt that buying from Basque clubs is a long process and not straight forward which led to the whole fiasco with the lawyers.
Was Kroos lines up for the next summer, I don’t remember?
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Moyes has openly said it was his decision... We made a bid and it was short of the release fee... Herrera was a club target rather than a moyes target so he didn't want to match the release fee without scouting him more
Herrera said at one stage Moyes explained to him what had happened and that he would come back in for him
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yeah, Kroos said he had a deal lined up with Moyes. For whatever reason LVG wasn’t keen
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He was pictured with his brother wasn't he... Was meant to be a done deal
Fook knows what lvg was thinking
Think we were looking at Patrick Hermann too who looked promising at the time
Then why did we send those independent lawyers to Bilbao?
Odd that LVG didn’t want Kroos, seems like a very LVG type and he would have known his quality at Bayern surely?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Then why did we send those independent lawyers to Bilbao?
Odd that LVG didn’t want Kroos, seems like a very LVG type and he would have known his quality at Bayern surely?
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We didn't... Both us and bilbao denied having any contact with the lawyers involved (altho their firm have been used in Spanish transfers before)
The Kroos thing is maybe down to the world cup... We maybe didn't follow up while Madrid did... Altho we signed Herrera and Shaw before LVG returned so god knows
RDD asks why I have filtered him.
Because he is the worst poster on the board, and I don't like reading him.
He is the only poster I have filtered.
Is that true? I thought these independent lawyers are regularly used to help Bilbao transfers to foreign clubs?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Is that true? I thought these independent lawyers are regularly used to help Bilbao transfers to foreign clubs?
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Their firm was used for transfers previously (martinez to Munich) but Bilbao denied they were there on their instruction... As did we
Moyes has given interviews stating he wasn't prepared to pay the release fee so i doubt they would be on our behalf if we weren't budging
Altho we did the next season anyway... Kinda sums us up
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
Rosso
Do you genuinely believe LVG would have improved had he had a third season? Do you not remember how his second season went, the football at times was possibly the worst we’ve seen post Ferguson. LVGs best period was those 3 games near the end of his first season where we actually played some good stuff and at the start of the second season where the football wasn’t great but we were solid. After that it all went down hill and he lost the plot, I don’t see where the signs were to suggest things would have improved going into a third season.
I think all 4 managers where hired at the wrong time tbf.
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I don’t know if he’d have been better, but I think it would have been fair to give him his third season, and I have no doubts that we’d at least have a better squad now if he had got it.
It’s the sequencing of managers that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and demonstrates that Ed doesn’t have any kind of a clue what he’s doing.
I totally agree with you there, not sure if we’d have a better squad had he’d been given that third season, seeing as his transfers in his 2 seasons were very mixed.
The way LVG was sacked was completely wrong but I think it was right for him to go at that point, I think a lot of the players were growing frustrated with his ways by that point. But then I appreciate it isn’t black and white and a lot of the players and their attitude were to blame too as they have been with all the managers post Ferguson.
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posted on 21/2/20
LVG, he had a clear philosophy, dominated the better teams and promoted youth. If he was given another year, he probably would have brought in the creativity in midfield to stop us passing side ways to much.
posted on 21/2/20
Fairly accurate summary of previous managers, despite the drink.
If we're talking long term strategy, two things will help:
1) a more attacking, progressive style of play
2) getting CL footy, as the top players won't have that as an excuse not to join
posted on 21/2/20
Spelling and grammar need vast improvement.
See me.
posted on 21/2/20
Jose but that’s not saying much as he failed like all the others. His 17/18 squad was probably the best we’ve seen post Ferguson.
I feel sorry for all of them one way or the other as they had to deal with Woodward and weren’t really ever able to fully do what they wanted or were given the time. Although I don’t really think any of them would have made us that much better had they been given more time tbh.
Moyes was never qualified enough, neither is Ole imo. While Jose and LVG at their peak were 2 of the best managers in world football over the past 25 years, however we got neither at their peak. Personally it would be nice to see us go for a youngish manager who has shown some real potential and sees United as a chance to really shine.
posted on 22/2/20
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 5 hours, 41 minutes ago
LVG, he had a clear philosophy, dominated the better teams and promoted youth. If he was given another year, he probably would have brought in the creativity in midfield to stop us passing side ways to much.
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This...
As for Ole, I'm willing to give him time... If Ole never played for United he'd never in a million years have gotten this job, so he doesn't actually qualify on merit for the job as mentioned above. But the same could have been said of Pep at Barca at the beginning...
He's made a lot of mistakes over the last year, it would be a shame if he didn't learn from them and an even greater shame (imo) if we don't get to benefit from those learnings
Great things do have a habit of starting from humble beginnings...
posted on 22/2/20
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 11 hours, 47 minutes ago
LVG, he had a clear philosophy, dominated the better teams and promoted youth. If he was given another year, he probably would have brought in the creativity in midfield to stop us passing side ways to much.
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Agree with this but still hope that Ole will do enough for us to reflect positively on his time in charge.
posted on 22/2/20
So far, I’d put them in this order:
1. LVG. Didn’t have time to fully reshape the squad and instil his ideas. Sacked too soon.
2. Mourinho. Appointed at the wrong time with the wrong kind of squad in place (and for the wrong club). Didn’t have the full trust of the executives when it came to the big investments.
3. Ole. Jury is out. Will need time to rebuild the utter mess of a squad he inherited and change the footballing culture, which he probably won’t be given.
4. Moyes. Suffered the results of two of the most shambolic transfer windows probably any club has even seen and hung out to dry by the executive. Sacked too soon for us to know how he would have fared with a rebuilt side.
posted on 22/2/20
LvG for me
posted on 22/2/20
Mourinho. Appointed at the wrong time with the wrong kind of squad in place (and for the wrong club). Didn’t have the full trust of the executives when it came to the big investments.
——
Same could be said for LVG
Completely didn’t get what we needed at United
posted on 22/2/20
Rosso
Do you genuinely believe LVG would have improved had he had a third season? Do you not remember how his second season went, the football at times was possibly the worst we’ve seen post Ferguson. LVGs best period was those 3 games near the end of his first season where we actually played some good stuff and at the start of the second season where the football wasn’t great but we were solid. After that it all went down hill and he lost the plot, I don’t see where the signs were to suggest things would have improved going into a third season.
I think all 4 managers where hired at the wrong time tbf.
posted on 22/2/20
I still think we should have got Jose when Fergie left... He'd fell out with everyone at Madrid but wasn't quite as damaged as when we did get him
And Ed was still in his Billy Big Balls stage so would have been more likely to trust him in the market
LVG got his seasons mixed up.... Second season we were short a striker and a pacy winger... If Di Maria and Falcao had worked out who knows
But imo he should have been trying to set a style of play season 1 rather than 2.... That run of games at the end of the first season, baffles me why he didn't stick with that approach, we were superb in that spell
posted on 22/2/20
Don’t forget how useless Woodward was in his first summer for Moyes. I think Jose would have possibly been a good option straight after Ferguson but he would have unlikely got any of the players he wanted with Woodward that summer. Moyes wanted Fabregas, Kroos, Tiago and ended up paying more than his release fee for Fellaini.
posted on 22/2/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don’t forget how useless Woodward was in his first summer for Moyes. I think Jose would have possibly been a good option straight after Ferguson but he would have unlikely got any of the players he wanted with Woodward that summer. Moyes wanted Fabregas, Kroos, Tiago and ended up paying more than his release fee for Fellaini.
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Its the one summer i don't entirely blame woodward for
Moyes is known as being a ditherer... Everton fans nicknamed him dithering dave
I thought it was him who couldn't decide if Tiago was up to the premier league... Kroos was lined up for the summer after not his first..
Always thought Fabregas was a waste of time tbh
He pulled the plug on Herrera that summer but spoke to him to say if he impressed he'd go back in for him
Woodward was inexperienced though... I think Joses stature at that point could have carried him (as would Fergie if he didn't retire)
posted on 22/2/20
But surely he was hired to take on a very important job, there wasn’t really any excuse that he wasn’t experienced enough, he shouldn’t have been hired for the position in that case. Everyone knew how big and important that summer was going to be.
No one pulled the plug on Herrera, we naively thought we could get the deal done in a day or 2 when we since learnt that buying from Basque clubs is a long process and not straight forward which led to the whole fiasco with the lawyers.
Was Kroos lines up for the next summer, I don’t remember?
posted on 22/2/20
Yeah, Kroos said he had a deal lined up with Moyes. For whatever reason LVG wasn’t keen
posted on 22/2/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
But surely he was hired to take on a very important job, there wasn’t really any excuse that he wasn’t experienced enough, he shouldn’t have been hired for the position in that case. Everyone knew how big and important that summer was going to be.
No one pulled the plug on Herrera, we naively thought we could get the deal done in a day or 2 when we since learnt that buying from Basque clubs is a long process and not straight forward which led to the whole fiasco with the lawyers.
Was Kroos lines up for the next summer, I don’t remember?
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Moyes has openly said it was his decision... We made a bid and it was short of the release fee... Herrera was a club target rather than a moyes target so he didn't want to match the release fee without scouting him more
Herrera said at one stage Moyes explained to him what had happened and that he would come back in for him
posted on 22/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yeah, Kroos said he had a deal lined up with Moyes. For whatever reason LVG wasn’t keen
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He was pictured with his brother wasn't he... Was meant to be a done deal
Fook knows what lvg was thinking
Think we were looking at Patrick Hermann too who looked promising at the time
posted on 22/2/20
Then why did we send those independent lawyers to Bilbao?
Odd that LVG didn’t want Kroos, seems like a very LVG type and he would have known his quality at Bayern surely?
posted on 22/2/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Then why did we send those independent lawyers to Bilbao?
Odd that LVG didn’t want Kroos, seems like a very LVG type and he would have known his quality at Bayern surely?
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We didn't... Both us and bilbao denied having any contact with the lawyers involved (altho their firm have been used in Spanish transfers before)
The Kroos thing is maybe down to the world cup... We maybe didn't follow up while Madrid did... Altho we signed Herrera and Shaw before LVG returned so god knows
posted on 22/2/20
RDD asks why I have filtered him.
Because he is the worst poster on the board, and I don't like reading him.
He is the only poster I have filtered.
posted on 22/2/20
Is that true? I thought these independent lawyers are regularly used to help Bilbao transfers to foreign clubs?
posted on 22/2/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Is that true? I thought these independent lawyers are regularly used to help Bilbao transfers to foreign clubs?
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Their firm was used for transfers previously (martinez to Munich) but Bilbao denied they were there on their instruction... As did we
Moyes has given interviews stating he wasn't prepared to pay the release fee so i doubt they would be on our behalf if we weren't budging
Altho we did the next season anyway... Kinda sums us up
posted on 22/2/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
Rosso
Do you genuinely believe LVG would have improved had he had a third season? Do you not remember how his second season went, the football at times was possibly the worst we’ve seen post Ferguson. LVGs best period was those 3 games near the end of his first season where we actually played some good stuff and at the start of the second season where the football wasn’t great but we were solid. After that it all went down hill and he lost the plot, I don’t see where the signs were to suggest things would have improved going into a third season.
I think all 4 managers where hired at the wrong time tbf.
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I don’t know if he’d have been better, but I think it would have been fair to give him his third season, and I have no doubts that we’d at least have a better squad now if he had got it.
It’s the sequencing of managers that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and demonstrates that Ed doesn’t have any kind of a clue what he’s doing.
posted on 22/2/20
I totally agree with you there, not sure if we’d have a better squad had he’d been given that third season, seeing as his transfers in his 2 seasons were very mixed.
The way LVG was sacked was completely wrong but I think it was right for him to go at that point, I think a lot of the players were growing frustrated with his ways by that point. But then I appreciate it isn’t black and white and a lot of the players and their attitude were to blame too as they have been with all the managers post Ferguson.
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