The Callum Wilson push on Gomez was probably the most bizarre incident since VAR. It was so obvious that even Peter Walton who always backs the refs said it should have been a foul.
VAR has been shocking. People say that ‘it’s the people administering VAR’ that is the problem but VAR only works with humans making decisions and as human VAR decision makers are just as unreliable as referees it’s set up to fail.
What about the bizarre incident where Fred got booked for diving where he was clearly fouled and should have been a pen. Any comment on that op?
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Callum Wilson push on Gomez was probably the most bizarre incident since VAR. It was so obvious that even Peter Walton who always backs the refs said it should have been a foul.
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Its a push but refs are at liberty to decide what they consider as enough force for a foul, I have deliberately avoided decisions that are subjective including Fred's potential penalty.
I have gone for decisions that are either black or white
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 minutes ago
What about the bizarre incident where Fred got booked for diving where he was clearly fouled and should have been a pen. Any comment on that op?
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I have avoided decisions that are subjective. Hence the mention on the 2 VAR calls on offside which should be a clear science just like the Goal-line technology
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
I think at this point fans of each club shouldn’t use VAR as a weapon to wum other sides - just cheapens the debate.
Every club has suffered. Almost through a whole season and even with a video replay it’s a lottery as to what decision the VAR will make.
comment by The Joker - Bride of Prankenstein (U22336)
posted 27 seconds ago
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
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I remember as far back as the 90s the offside rule was changed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers- seems we’ve regressed
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Joker - Bride of Prankenstein (U22336)
posted 27 seconds ago
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
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I remember as far back as the 90s the offside rule was changed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers- seems we’ve regressed
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Yeah, the amount of game changing goals we have lost this season to armpits ect is bizarre
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Joker - Bride of Prankenstein (U22336)
posted 27 seconds ago
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
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I remember as far back as the 90s the offside rule was changed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers- seems we’ve regressed
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We didn't have VAR then. We do now. The only way around it would be to change the current rules regarding offside.
The frame rate of the camera has been shown to be unreliable in catching the exact point the ball was played forward resulting in an offside decision
You don’t even need to change the written offside rule - you just have to allow perhaps a foot of grey area when making decisions to allow for that potential frame rate issue
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
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It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
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It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
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He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
The decisions should be decided by a vote. Each member of the crowd should be given a button and they press whichever way they think the decision should go. It would be a much more fair way of doing it.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
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It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
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He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
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In your mind I guess
Bin it completely.
I’m absolutely sick to the back teeth of it. It’s an embarrassment to the sport, and, as I wrote yesterday, the worst development in the 100+ year history of the professional game IMO.
It’s ruining football.
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 12 minutes ago
The frame rate of the camera has been shown to be unreliable in catching the exact point the ball was played forward resulting in an offside decision
You don’t even need to change the written offside rule - you just have to allow perhaps a foot of grey area when making decisions to allow for that potential frame rate issue
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With the exact point the ball was played forward, we just assume the same algorithm is used so whether its wrong or right that applies everywhere. The issue ius clearly when lines are being drawn
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
I think at this point fans of each club shouldn’t use VAR as a weapon to wum other sides - just cheapens the debate.
Every club has suffered. Almost through a whole season and even with a video replay it’s a lottery as to what decision the VAR will make.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This.
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 53 seconds ago
Bin it completely.
I’m absolutely sick to the back teeth of it. It’s an embarrassment to the sport, and, as I wrote yesterday, the worst development in the 100+ year history of the professional game IMO.
It’s ruining football.
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Im at the point where we either witch hunt officials until the FA give in or we just bin it totally.
For example, why must ancelotti cope a red card for questioning a ref decision yet the lines man who incorrectly blew the whistle for the Aguero non-goal gets to officiate another match.
Whole thing is sickening now. I actually think VAR is now cheating to try and protect officials.
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
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It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
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He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
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In your mind I guess
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Everyone but you seems to think it is subjective.
You're wrong both about this and the rightly ruled out offside goal.
It actually highlights the incompetence of refs in the EPL. Before VAR we could say that maybe they didn't have a clear view etc. Now that have multiple angles and replays and still get it wrong. So it is them that is the problem and should be made redundant or given cholera
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
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He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
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In your mind I guess
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And every single pundits mind and 99% of people but you
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Bin it completely.
I’m absolutely sick to the back teeth of it. It’s an embarrassment to the sport, and, as I wrote yesterday, the worst development in the 100+ year history of the professional game IMO.
It’s ruining football.
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It's implementation is and some things may be ironed out. Sadly for you and people who agree with you, it is probably here to stay.
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
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He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
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In your mind I guess
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Everyone but you seems to think it is subjective.
You're wrong both about this and the rightly ruled out offside goal.
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The linesman was not supposed to flag the aguero non-goal. Its in the VAR handbook. How can I be wrong about that???
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posted on 9/3/20
The Callum Wilson push on Gomez was probably the most bizarre incident since VAR. It was so obvious that even Peter Walton who always backs the refs said it should have been a foul.
posted on 9/3/20
VAR has been shocking. People say that ‘it’s the people administering VAR’ that is the problem but VAR only works with humans making decisions and as human VAR decision makers are just as unreliable as referees it’s set up to fail.
posted on 9/3/20
What about the bizarre incident where Fred got booked for diving where he was clearly fouled and should have been a pen. Any comment on that op?
posted on 9/3/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Callum Wilson push on Gomez was probably the most bizarre incident since VAR. It was so obvious that even Peter Walton who always backs the refs said it should have been a foul.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a push but refs are at liberty to decide what they consider as enough force for a foul, I have deliberately avoided decisions that are subjective including Fred's potential penalty.
I have gone for decisions that are either black or white
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 minutes ago
What about the bizarre incident where Fred got booked for diving where he was clearly fouled and should have been a pen. Any comment on that op?
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I have avoided decisions that are subjective. Hence the mention on the 2 VAR calls on offside which should be a clear science just like the Goal-line technology
posted on 9/3/20
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
posted on 9/3/20
I think at this point fans of each club shouldn’t use VAR as a weapon to wum other sides - just cheapens the debate.
Every club has suffered. Almost through a whole season and even with a video replay it’s a lottery as to what decision the VAR will make.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by The Joker - Bride of Prankenstein (U22336)
posted 27 seconds ago
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember as far back as the 90s the offside rule was changed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers- seems we’ve regressed
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Joker - Bride of Prankenstein (U22336)
posted 27 seconds ago
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember as far back as the 90s the offside rule was changed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers- seems we’ve regressed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, the amount of game changing goals we have lost this season to armpits ect is bizarre
posted on 9/3/20
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Joker - Bride of Prankenstein (U22336)
posted 27 seconds ago
The offside rule for me is the problem.
Football is an entertainment business and goals make football more entertaining yet because VAR is so exact its cancelling out goals.
Change the offside rule
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember as far back as the 90s the offside rule was changed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers- seems we’ve regressed
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We didn't have VAR then. We do now. The only way around it would be to change the current rules regarding offside.
posted on 9/3/20
The frame rate of the camera has been shown to be unreliable in catching the exact point the ball was played forward resulting in an offside decision
You don’t even need to change the written offside rule - you just have to allow perhaps a foot of grey area when making decisions to allow for that potential frame rate issue
posted on 9/3/20
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
posted on 9/3/20
The decisions should be decided by a vote. Each member of the crowd should be given a button and they press whichever way they think the decision should go. It would be a much more fair way of doing it.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In your mind I guess
posted on 9/3/20
Bin it completely.
I’m absolutely sick to the back teeth of it. It’s an embarrassment to the sport, and, as I wrote yesterday, the worst development in the 100+ year history of the professional game IMO.
It’s ruining football.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 12 minutes ago
The frame rate of the camera has been shown to be unreliable in catching the exact point the ball was played forward resulting in an offside decision
You don’t even need to change the written offside rule - you just have to allow perhaps a foot of grey area when making decisions to allow for that potential frame rate issue
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With the exact point the ball was played forward, we just assume the same algorithm is used so whether its wrong or right that applies everywhere. The issue ius clearly when lines are being drawn
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
I think at this point fans of each club shouldn’t use VAR as a weapon to wum other sides - just cheapens the debate.
Every club has suffered. Almost through a whole season and even with a video replay it’s a lottery as to what decision the VAR will make.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 53 seconds ago
Bin it completely.
I’m absolutely sick to the back teeth of it. It’s an embarrassment to the sport, and, as I wrote yesterday, the worst development in the 100+ year history of the professional game IMO.
It’s ruining football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im at the point where we either witch hunt officials until the FA give in or we just bin it totally.
For example, why must ancelotti cope a red card for questioning a ref decision yet the lines man who incorrectly blew the whistle for the Aguero non-goal gets to officiate another match.
Whole thing is sickening now. I actually think VAR is now cheating to try and protect officials.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In your mind I guess
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone but you seems to think it is subjective.
You're wrong both about this and the rightly ruled out offside goal.
posted on 9/3/20
It actually highlights the incompetence of refs in the EPL. Before VAR we could say that maybe they didn't have a clear view etc. Now that have multiple angles and replays and still get it wrong. So it is them that is the problem and should be made redundant or given cholera
posted on 9/3/20
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
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He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In your mind I guess
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And every single pundits mind and 99% of people but you
posted on 9/3/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Bin it completely.
I’m absolutely sick to the back teeth of it. It’s an embarrassment to the sport, and, as I wrote yesterday, the worst development in the 100+ year history of the professional game IMO.
It’s ruining football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's implementation is and some things may be ironed out. Sadly for you and people who agree with you, it is probably here to stay.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyIntheUK (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
VAR can't be faulted in applying the offside rule as its written. Odd thing for the OP to do regarding the offside goal yesterday being correctly ruled out.
The foul on Fred, if VAR was used would have resulted in a penalty. It isn't a subjective, the ref made the wrong call. It does take away from the OP's stance when he avoids the latter under it being "subjective" yet has issues with VAR when it was applied correctly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is subjective because contact doesn't equal to foul.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He kicked him in the shin. It was a foul end of
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In your mind I guess
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone but you seems to think it is subjective.
You're wrong both about this and the rightly ruled out offside goal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The linesman was not supposed to flag the aguero non-goal. Its in the VAR handbook. How can I be wrong about that???
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