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posted on 9/3/20

Look the fact you can't being the name "Kimmich" to the table makes me thing you need to go away and then come back.

posted on 9/3/20

The world isnt exactly blessed with what you would call 'world class' right backs at the moment.

I don't think there is anybody out there who is on the level Lahm was for example.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look the fact you can't being the name "Kimmich" to the table makes me thing you need to go away and then come back.
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Except Bayern tend to play him in midfield. Where are these abundance of brilliant right backs??

posted on 9/3/20

Kimmich is pure quality. Probably the best imo.

posted on 9/3/20

“OUR PLAYER IS BETTER THAN YOUR PLAYER!!!”

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comment by Shugs (U14253)

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kimmich is pure quality. Probably the best imo.
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He's back in midfield this season

posted on 9/3/20

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
“OUR PLAYER IS BETTER THAN YOUR PLAYER!!!”

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We need to have an article praising the performances of Luke Shaw. I would like to discuss whether or not Andy Robertson is the best LB of his generation.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kimmich is pure quality. Probably the best imo.
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He's back in midfield this season
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This does not effect his skill set what so ever.

Trent is a central midfielder by rights.

posted on 9/3/20

Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
“OUR PLAYER IS BETTER THAN YOUR PLAYER!!!”

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We need to have an article praising the performances of Luke Shaw. I would like to discuss whether or not Andy Robertson is the best LB of his generation.
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Watched a bit more of Utd lately and he has been solid defensively. He's been well coached tbf.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 8 seconds ago
Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.
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posted on 9/3/20

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 2 seconds ago
Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.
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Klopps system of having extremely forward thinking full backs cover over TAA's limitations in defence does it?

People will indeed say anything on here.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.
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comment by Shugs (U14253)

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kimmich is pure quality. Probably the best imo.
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He's back in midfield this season
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This does not effect his skill set what so ever.

Trent is a central midfielder by rights.
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Is that what he came through the system as? Wouldn't have put him as a cm at all.

posted on 9/3/20

The good thing about TAA is that he only has to face Rashford a couple of times a season, thus limiting the number of times he gets destroyed

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/3/20

TAA fits Klopp's system perfectly. He isn't the best defensively, but is fantastic going forwards. The fact that Liverpool tend to play with 3 CMs that will all work hard defensively means that he is well covered.

AWB is better defensively, but obviously not as good going forwards. I don't think that he is as bad offensively as some make out. Indeed, I suspect he would have quite a few more assists this season had we had Ighalo from the start of the season. He has flashed several good balls across the box for us to not have anyone attacking that space.

For me TAA should be first choice for England. Certainly against teams that we should be beating. But that doesn't mean that AWB doesn't have a role to play for England and it could well be that he is used against the better teams, or to do a job against a specific player. Eg, Hazard for Belgium.

posted on 9/3/20

Let's do the stats route then. PL only since one plays in the CL and one Europa.

TAA assists 12, Wan Bassaka 2
TAA big chances created 16, Wan Bassaka 3
TAA dispossessed 9, AWB 35
TAA cleansheets 10, AWB 7
TAA goals conceded 21, AWB 28
TAA 67% tackle success rate, AWB 67%
TAA errors leading to goal 1, AWB 0(although he conceded a penalty, is this not an error leading to a goal? )

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
TAA fits Klopp's system perfectly. He isn't the best defensively, but is fantastic going forwards. The fact that Liverpool tend to play with 3 CMs that will all work hard defensively means that he is well covered.

AWB is better defensively, but obviously not as good going forwards. I don't think that he is as bad offensively as some make out. Indeed, I suspect he would have quite a few more assists this season had we had Ighalo from the start of the season. He has flashed several good balls across the box for us to not have anyone attacking that space.

For me TAA should be first choice for England. Certainly against teams that we should be beating. But that doesn't mean that AWB doesn't have a role to play for England and it could well be that he is used against the better teams, or to do a job against a specific player. Eg, Hazard for Belgium.
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I liked your idea orAWB in the back three.

I think TAA not being great defensively is a bit ignorant tbh, I don't mean that in a bad way.

He's gets next to no protection from Salah unless we're playing a very good team and if you look at his heat maps it's almost impossible to play his role and not leave space behind. I've seen Trent sh!t all over Sane against City, there not much problem at all technically with his defending. Maybe worries about his inside channel too much which ironically means he can be got at outside but when you're running back that can happen.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kimmich is pure quality. Probably the best imo.
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He's back in midfield this season
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This does not effect his skill set what so ever.

Trent is a central midfielder by rights.
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Is that what he came through the system as? Wouldn't have put him as a cm at all.
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e's absolutely a CM. Quality passer and striker of the ball, excellent first touch and can run all day.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's do the stats route then. PL only since one plays in the CL and one Europa.

TAA assists 12, Wan Bassaka 2
TAA big chances created 16, Wan Bassaka 3
TAA dispossessed 9, AWB 35
TAA cleansheets 10, AWB 7
TAA goals conceded 21, AWB 28
TAA 67% tackle success rate, AWB 67%
TAA errors leading to goal 1, AWB 0(although he conceded a penalty, is this not an error leading to a goal?)

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Clean sheets and goals conceded?

Why not add points accumulated, games won, goals for and league positions too

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's do the stats route then. PL only since one plays in the CL and one Europa.

TAA assists 12, Wan Bassaka 2
TAA big chances created 16, Wan Bassaka 3
TAA dispossessed 9, AWB 35
TAA cleansheets 10, AWB 7
TAA goals conceded 21, AWB 28
TAA 67% tackle success rate, AWB 67%
TAA errors leading to goal 1, AWB 0(although he conceded a penalty, is this not an error leading to a goal?)

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Clean sheets and goals conceded?

Why not add points accumulated, games won, goals for and league positions too
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Didn't want to rub it in. What's your take on the other stats?

posted on 9/3/20

Big chances created?

Is that an actual stat?

Thought about scoring AWB 47 - TAA - 6
Meant to get an assist AWB 66 - TAA -14
Touched the ball within 5 mins of a goal AWB 28 -TAA - 0

I call it a draw

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's do the stats route then. PL only since one plays in the CL and one Europa.

TAA assists 12, Wan Bassaka 2
TAA big chances created 16, Wan Bassaka 3
TAA dispossessed 9, AWB 35
TAA cleansheets 10, AWB 7
TAA goals conceded 21, AWB 28
TAA 67% tackle success rate, AWB 67%
TAA errors leading to goal 1, AWB 0(although he conceded a penalty, is this not an error leading to a goal?)

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Clean sheets and goals conceded?

Why not add points accumulated, games won, goals for and league positions too
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Didn't want to rub it in. What's your take on the other stats?
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My thoughts are that they are a bit selective. For example they might have the same tackle success rate, but AWB has made twice as many tackles as TAA in 3 less games. He has also made 53 interceptions to TAA's 36. And won 185 duels to TAA's 85. And 43 successful 50/50s to TAA's 18.

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
So that makes him the best right back in the league? But trent, who plays for a team who have conceded less is a worse defender?
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No, it makes your statement ridiculous.
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Why?
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You say our defence concedes plenty, as if it's a weak defence, yet it's the 4th for goals conceded in the PL?

That's why.
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But many claiming he's better the. Trent who concedes less goals, you're talking rubbish

posted on 9/3/20

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's do the stats route then. PL only since one plays in the CL and one Europa.

TAA assists 12, Wan Bassaka 2
TAA big chances created 16, Wan Bassaka 3
TAA dispossessed 9, AWB 35
TAA cleansheets 10, AWB 7
TAA goals conceded 21, AWB 28
TAA 67% tackle success rate, AWB 67%
TAA errors leading to goal 1, AWB 0(although he conceded a penalty, is this not an error leading to a goal?)

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Clean sheets and goals conceded?

Why not add points accumulated, games won, goals for and league positions too
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Didn't want to rub it in. What's your take on the other stats?
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My thoughts are that they are a bit selective. For example they might have the same tackle success rate, but AWB has made twice as many tackles as TAA in 3 less games. He has also made 53 interceptions to TAA's 36. And won 185 duels to TAA's 85. And 43 successful 50/50s to TAA's 18.
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Yes and these stats show tactically one is employed more offensively and one more defensively, although it is interesting that TAA keeps the same tackle success rate of AWB regardless, as well as all the assists and big chances created. Also in terms of offensively and even defensively, TAA takes freekicks and corners, therefore he's not one of the players left back, whereas I believe AWB is and therefore will have more tackles to make.

Interesting debate in terms of their roles in the team and what the stats say.

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