comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's do the stats route then. PL only since one plays in the CL and one Europa.

TAA assists 12, Wan Bassaka 2
TAA big chances created 16, Wan Bassaka 3
TAA dispossessed 9, AWB 35
TAA cleansheets 10, AWB 7
TAA goals conceded 21, AWB 28
TAA 67% tackle success rate, AWB 67%
TAA errors leading to goal 1, AWB 0(although he conceded a penalty, is this not an error leading to a goal?)

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Clean sheets and goals conceded?

Why not add points accumulated, games won, goals for and league positions too
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Didn't want to rub it in. What's your take on the other stats?
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My thoughts are that they are a bit selective. For example they might have the same tackle success rate, but AWB has made twice as many tackles as TAA in 3 less games. He has also made 53 interceptions to TAA's 36. And won 185 duels to TAA's 85. And 43 successful 50/50s to TAA's 18.
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Yes and these stats show tactically one is employed more offensively and one more defensively, although it is interesting that TAA keeps the same tackle success rate of AWB regardless, as well as all the assists and big chances created. Also in terms of offensively and even defensively, TAA takes freekicks and corners, therefore he's not one of the players left back, whereas I believe AWB is and therefore will have more tackles to make.

Interesting debate in terms of their roles in the team and what the stats say.
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*offensively he will have more chances to create big chances and get assists and goals.

Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.

comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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Trent Alexander-Arnold
Kyle Walker
Kieran Trippier
Max Aarons
A fit Nathaniel Clyne

comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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Trent Alexander-Arnold
Kyle Walker
Kieran Trippier
Max Aarons
A fit Nathaniel Clyne
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Cant you go and try get your attention elsewhere? This is tragic to watch.

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 2 seconds ago
Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.
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Klopps system of having extremely forward thinking full backs cover over TAA's limitations in defence does it?

People will indeed say anything on here.
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So when TAA is further up the field occupying space a winger would normally be standing in nobody covers him in Klopps system?

The pressing game you play, does it or does it not limit the amount of chances somebody is able to run at TAA one v one?

People will indeed say anything on here.

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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TAA
Walker
Baldock
AWB

Fourth best English right back for me, although Walker hasn't had a great season. AWB also has potential to be better than Baldock, so you could loosely give him third.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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Trent Alexander-Arnold
Kyle Walker
Kieran Trippier
Max Aarons
A fit Nathaniel Clyne
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Cant you go and try get your attention elsewhere? This is tragic to watch.
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Clyne is actually a similar player to AWB, although he is done now. Good defensively, poor going forward. Have you ever seen him shooting? Wow.

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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James Tavernier

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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Trent Alexander-Arnold
Kyle Walker
Kieran Trippier
Max Aarons
A fit Nathaniel Clyne
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Cant you go and try get your attention elsewhere? This is tragic to watch.
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Clyne is actually a similar player to AWB, although he is done now. Good defensively, poor going forward. Have you ever seen him shooting? Wow.
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comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
Evra has never, ever, been the best in his position.

Just another Utd player on here that gets better and better post retirement.
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Can't believe the praise for Evra, he's got miles better since he left.

Ashley Cole was head and shoulders above him, lets not kid anyone.
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Agree with that, although Evra was better than good, Cole was better.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.
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Isn't that Klopp's job? If you've got a player who is really good going forward, and weaker at defending (I think some people are underestimating his defensive work, for what it's worth), then surely playing to his strengths is the right thing to do.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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Trent Alexander-Arnold
Kyle Walker
Kieran Trippier
Max Aarons
A fit Nathaniel Clyne
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Cant you go and try get your attention elsewhere? This is tragic to watch.
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You have a very high opinion of yourself, your opinions are worth listening to but if you don't like someone elses they are wumming or attention seeking.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Wan-Bissaka would be lucky to make the top 5 English RBs for goodness sake.
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Who would be ahead of him then?
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James Tavernier
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10x the player AWB going forward.




1000x worse defending though

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
TAA fits Klopp's system perfectly. He isn't the best defensively, but is fantastic going forwards. The fact that Liverpool tend to play with 3 CMs that will all work hard defensively means that he is well covered.

AWB is better defensively, but obviously not as good going forwards. I don't think that he is as bad offensively as some make out. Indeed, I suspect he would have quite a few more assists this season had we had Ighalo from the start of the season. He has flashed several good balls across the box for us to not have anyone attacking that space.

For me TAA should be first choice for England. Certainly against teams that we should be beating. But that doesn't mean that AWB doesn't have a role to play for England and it could well be that he is used against the better teams, or to do a job against a specific player. Eg, Hazard for Belgium.
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I liked your idea orAWB in the back three.

I think TAA not being great defensively is a bit ignorant tbh, I don't mean that in a bad way.

He's gets next to no protection from Salah unless we're playing a very good team and if you look at his heat maps it's almost impossible to play his role and not leave space behind. I've seen Trent sh!t all over Sane against City, there not much problem at all technically with his defending. Maybe worries about his inside channel too much which ironically means he can be got at outside but when you're running back that can happen.
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I think people are going a bit overboard on TAAs 'poor' defensive ability. I think it's fair to say that he's weaker defensively than AWB, but he's still one of the best RBs in the league.

Ashley Cole is the best fb of the premiership era

He carried it into international games too

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
Ashley Cole is the best fb of the premiership era

He carried it into international games too
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Of course. Nobody is saying TAA is the best in the 'premiership' era.

You have a very high opinion of yourself, your opinions are worth listening to but if you don't like someone elses they are wumming or attention seeking.

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Nobody could possibly take your opinion seriously, you just said a fit Clyne is better than AWB.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 19 seconds ago
You have a very high opinion of yourself, your opinions are worth listening to but if you don't like someone elses they are wumming or attention seeking.

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Nobody could possibly take your opinion seriously, you just said a fit Clyne is better than AWB.
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More worryingly you took that at face value.

comment by (U22329)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.
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Isn't that Klopp's job? If you've got a player who is really good going forward, and weaker at defending (I think some people are underestimating his defensive work, for what it's worth), then surely playing to his strengths is the right thing to do.
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Absolutely, which is why I rate Klopp.

Fergie did the same thing when working with the likes of Cleverly and Anderson. There's no shame in having limited players in a championship winning team.

The ego of some Liverpool fans gets hurt if these limitations are pointed out though.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
Evra has never, ever, been the best in his position.

Just another Utd player on here that gets better and better post retirement.
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Can't believe the praise for Evra, he's got miles better since he left.

Ashley Cole was head and shoulders above him, lets not kid anyone.
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Agree with that, although Evra was better than good, Cole was better.
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Evra was world class.

I was being ludicrous because that's what perceive United fans comparing AWB to Trent as.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by (U22329)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Open play chances created in the PL since the start of 2020:

11 - Aaron Wan-Bissaka
10 - Trent Alexander-Arnold

TAA isn’t hard to get past, he just isn’t much of an actual defender and we’ll all see that when he plays for England. It’s been said before, Klopps system disguises the limitations of a lot of his players.
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Isn't that Klopp's job? If you've got a player who is really good going forward, and weaker at defending (I think some people are underestimating his defensive work, for what it's worth), then surely playing to his strengths is the right thing to do.
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Absolutely, which is why I rate Klopp.

Fergie did the same thing when working with the likes of Cleverly and Anderson. There's no shame in having limited players in a championship winning team.

The ego of some Liverpool fans gets hurt if these limitations are pointed out though.


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Right, so TAA is a limited player? Please tell me that's what you're saying.

More worryingly you took that at face value.

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Based on your posting history on the Untied board, it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that you actually believed that to be fair!

comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 17 seconds ago
I was being ludicrous because that's what perceive United fans comparing AWB to Trent as.
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They are compared defensively, an area in which AWB is clearly better at. I think everybody is able to admit that TAA is far better going forward.