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posted on 11/3/20

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)

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so no creativity and movement in front of him is his fault.... and whats even more pathetic is youre making your judgement on his first game for us

get a fecking grip man
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Well you are all expecting Pogba to rack up 10/10 performances under the same circumstances every game. My point was that Paul has over-performed for us in that role. You've interpreted my comment as a dig at Fernandes rather than an observation about the difficulty of influencing games from that position as an attacking CM.

posted on 11/3/20

From what I've seen Ronaldo, Rooney and Beckham ran their socks off for the team. Pogba strolls around.

If United had any sense they'd sell him and buy a couple of players, instantly improving the team.

There was a video from last season which perfectly summed him up. Fell to the ground, ball came to him, controlled it whilst still on the ground with excellent skill. Got up, ran a bit, passed to the opposition, strolled back as the opposition attacked.

He's just another Balotelli. All the talent in the world but everybody is against me attitude, why always me?

posted on 11/3/20

comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)

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so no creativity and movement in front of him is his fault.... and whats even more pathetic is youre making your judgement on his first game for us

get a fecking grip man
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Well you are all expecting Pogba to rack up 10/10 performances under the same circumstances every game. My point was that Paul has over-performed for us in that role. You've interpreted my comment as a dig at Fernandes rather than an observation about the difficulty of influencing games from that position as an attacking CM.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQvThNq28w8

suggest you watch that then come back and tell me that Fernandes cant create from deep

posted on 11/3/20

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 4 minutes ago
I’d want him out. The guys a cuuunt of the highest order with not respect for his club, his manager or his teammates. The sooner you get rid of him, the better

I do find it amusing how no one seems to want to buy him as well. Karma.
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i.e. he had a falling out with Wahl's beloved.

posted on 11/3/20

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)

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so no creativity and movement in front of him is his fault.... and whats even more pathetic is youre making your judgement on his first game for us

get a fecking grip man
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Well you are all expecting Pogba to rack up 10/10 performances under the same circumstances every game. My point was that Paul has over-performed for us in that role. You've interpreted my comment as a dig at Fernandes rather than an observation about the difficulty of influencing games from that position as an attacking CM.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQvThNq28w8

suggest you watch that then come back and tell me that Fernandes cant create from deep
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I don't need to watch it. I have seen plenty of videos of Bruno playing for Sporting in the Portuguese league. I am talking about what I've seen of both players in the Premier league. Once again you've completely missed my point.

posted on 11/3/20

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posted on 11/3/20

rather than him going to Madrid and winning multiple Ballon Dors

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Obvious WUM.

posted on 11/3/20

I think it's a mistake to look at this in terms of Pogba's moral failings - "lazy," "uncommitted," etc. The biggest issue with Pogba is that he slows things down with unnecessary extra touches. He's not consistently a quick thinker, in terms of either sniffing out opportunities or threats. He can be an asset in a team that plays to his strengths but I struggle to see him prospering in a side that presses aggressively and transitions rapidly into attack.

posted on 11/3/20

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comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 11/3/20

I don't get the Pogba hate on here.

The player/person doesn't seem to be one who has caused any conflict and seems well liked by all at the club.

The one thing I do see in Pogba is lack of leadership. He seems to be an easy going guy but isn't the most vocal. Bruno has been going nuts if there isn't movement or if a ball isn't played to him. Pogba in the same situation seems to withdraw. A sort of sigh and puts his head down.

Watch the Thierry Henry and zlatan interview where Pogba comes in. His personality there is in show. He seems humble and happy to be the butt of their jokes. Zlatan almost bullies him at points.

Even at juve he had those around him to do the leadership role and he just did his job. Bruno will help Pogba. Not only by taking leadership but also someone who can play football, which has been lacking at utd.

Can't wait to see the two of them. Pogba will need a few games to get up to the flow though and I can see people getting on his case immediately if he is a bit slow initially

posted on 11/3/20

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can easily show u a pogba video that surpasses anything Fernandes can do. Having both is very good. I’d rather get pogba fit and ready tbh than be on his back all the time.
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Thank you, Sir. I'm surprised that we're in the minority here. I'm not trying to paint a picture that we are incapable of doing well without pogba, all I'm trying to do is remove the emotion from the situation and look at what we have in front of us. Pogba finally has the opportunity to show his full potential in the same way the Martial has done. Let's not be so quick to hound him out of the club.

posted on 11/3/20

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posted on 11/3/20

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago

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Thank you for your thoughtful and wise contribution. I do agree to your comments about leadership. I think Bruno and Pogba bring different things but a similar attacking potency and for that reason I think they will compliment each other very well rather than hinder one another.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 11/3/20

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it's a mistake to look at this in terms of Pogba's moral failings - "lazy," "uncommitted," etc. The biggest issue with Pogba is that he slows things down with unnecessary extra touches. He's not consistently a quick thinker, in terms of either sniffing out opportunities or threats. He can be an asset in a team that plays to his strengths but I struggle to see him prospering in a side that presses aggressively and transitions rapidly into attack.
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I don't actually agree with this. I think Pogba is q quick thinker but his team mates are not.

He seems to always spot a run, when one is actually made, and puts in lovely balls to the runner.

I think people will see the limitations of likes of say rashford more with Bruno and Pogba in the team.

What I mean is that movement is key. We often overlook this. Even in the victory against city we have overlooked the facts that we should have scored more but for players not passing. Bruno and James comes to mind. Those runs of Bruno's will see Pogba having a field day imo.

Even ighalos hold up play is something we haven't seen at utd in a while. This in itself allows players like Pogba to come forward more

posted on 11/3/20

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think it's a mistake to look at this in terms of Pogba's moral failings - "lazy," "uncommitted," etc. The biggest issue with Pogba is that he slows things down with unnecessary extra touches. He's not consistently a quick thinker, in terms of either sniffing out opportunities or threats. He can be an asset in a team that plays to his strengths but I struggle to see him prospering in a side that presses aggressively and transitions rapidly into attack.
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Fernandes is a quicker thinker and Paul is good at carrying the ball, holding it up, spotting runs, long passes. I don't like to compare the two but I would definitely like to keep pogba as they are not necessarily like for like players and it's always good to have people with different qualities.

posted on 11/3/20

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posted on 11/3/20

Guys, you're all united fans and I love you but all I'm saying is won't someone PLEASE think if the trophies.

Let's sign him up and spend a bit of money on more important areas, then we're AWAY...

THE SCENES, THE SCENES

posted on 11/3/20

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comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 11/3/20

If I had one thing to say to utd fans it would be to put away the issues that have been wrongly or rightly attributed to Pogba. Cheers him on when he reappears and show him support.

If after that we don't see a positive reaction then so be it. But he is a arms around shoulders player so let's put the proverbial arm around him. It maybe the difference to our club as a whole going forward

posted on 11/3/20

Agreed lads.

posted on 11/3/20

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it's a mistake to look at this in terms of Pogba's moral failings - "lazy," "uncommitted," etc. The biggest issue with Pogba is that he slows things down with unnecessary extra touches. He's not consistently a quick thinker, in terms of either sniffing out opportunities or threats. He can be an asset in a team that plays to his strengths but I struggle to see him prospering in a side that presses aggressively and transitions rapidly into attack.
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I don't actually agree with this. I think Pogba is q quick thinker but his team mates are not.

He seems to always spot a run, when one is actually made, and puts in lovely balls to the runner.

I think people will see the limitations of likes of say rashford more with Bruno and Pogba in the team.

What I mean is that movement is key. We often overlook this. Even in the victory against city we have overlooked the facts that we should have scored more but for players not passing. Bruno and James comes to mind. Those runs of Bruno's will see Pogba having a field day imo.

Even ighalos hold up play is something we haven't seen at utd in a while. This in itself allows players like Pogba to come forward more
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Sometimes he does spot those runs. Sometimes he pulls off a great first-time pass. But too often he doesn't look switched on, both in defensive and offensive positions. Surely you can think of plenty of occasions when he has faffed around with superfluous touches before releasing the ball when there were good options around him?

posted on 11/3/20

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 12 minutes ago
We shall see red Russian when he returns. Tbh we lack creativity and without Fernandes there is next to none in the side. So you need other talents. Like martial, I’m sure Fernandes will work very well with pogba.
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To be clear, my preference would be to sell Pogba and reinvest in a creative midfielder who is a better fit for the requirements and culture of the team. The alternative would appear to be to give a massive wage hike to a player over whom there are doubts and whose representative continually talks the club down. Unless he's the undisputed superstar and leader of the team, idolised by his team-mates, that's not a recipe for guaranteed success.

Replace him with a hungry, humble, hard-working and not quite as talented player like Grealish and you have a more coherent midfield and more cohesive group of players, in my view.

That's not to say it's a disaster if we keep Pogba, but it's certainly not a risk-free strategy.

comment by Kobra (U19849)

posted on 11/3/20

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it's a mistake to look at this in terms of Pogba's moral failings - "lazy," "uncommitted," etc. The biggest issue with Pogba is that he slows things down with unnecessary extra touches. He's not consistently a quick thinker, in terms of either sniffing out opportunities or threats. He can be an asset in a team that plays to his strengths but I struggle to see him prospering in a side that presses aggressively and transitions rapidly into attack.
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I don't actually agree with this. I think Pogba is q quick thinker but his team mates are not.

He seems to always spot a run, when one is actually made, and puts in lovely balls to the runner.

I think people will see the limitations of likes of say rashford more with Bruno and Pogba in the team.

What I mean is that movement is key. We often overlook this. Even in the victory against city we have overlooked the facts that we should have scored more but for players not passing. Bruno and James comes to mind. Those runs of Bruno's will see Pogba having a field day imo.

Even ighalos hold up play is something we haven't seen at utd in a while. This in itself allows players like Pogba to come forward more
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Sometimes he does spot those runs. Sometimes he pulls off a great first-time pass. But too often he doesn't look switched on, both in defensive and offensive positions. Surely you can think of plenty of occasions when he has faffed around with superfluous touches before releasing the ball when there were good options around him?
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I'm sure there will be examples as no player is fallible. So I'm not writing off what you say.

But I honestly see our team, since lvg days tbf, having to keep the ball longer or make sideways and backward passes as there is no movement ahead. I do think this is mainly down to the players and how I feel we have been made to set up (as a result of said players)

I always thought Fred suffered with this initially and even now he is much happier moving the ball on and going into space to receive it again. Despite looking a lot better he still loses the ball a lot and so does Bruno as has been mentioned. I personally do see this happening as there is no immediate "out" for us. I could be wrong but until we see it I'm of the mind that it's movement etc

Interestingly, and to digress slightly, I've been watching old utd vids and interviews etc on likes of YouTube. One that comes to mind was Roy Keane and his skillset of moving the ball forward asap. Into the feet of the forwards. He himself said it was easy for him as he had people there making it easy for him. He didn't need to hold the ball. He would receive it and play it forward then run on. I don't see this at utd currently. Bar maybe the ighalo cameo where he didn't he back heel to a player running past him.

posted on 11/3/20

Strange to want rid of a player who was trying to engineer a move away from the club in summer?

Strange in what way?

posted on 11/3/20

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 28 minutes ago

I don't get the Pogba hate on here.
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Too many who like to listen to Souness on here and the media. Granted the fat agent Mino talking isnt the best, but the quality of Pogba can't be denied. More often than not he creates a lot of chances, which are never finished off by our strikers in the past.

He and Bruno would work very well in that Midfield imo. I hope he stays, the calibre of player we need to get back to the top.

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