Laurent Robert. What a player he was
Gerrard was a very good player but not in Scholes' league.
Honours aren't the only yardstick but scholes had about three times as many as a player.
And the same number as a manager.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
Done to death but a succession of England managers disagreed.
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I'm quite happy to disagree with most England managers. Majority of them have been duds.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 41 minutes ago
Le Tiss the second best player to play in the prem?
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Nah probably not but loved to watch him play - if he’d been plonked into the great teams of the time he’d have got the recognition he deserved.
I notice not many are mentioning Salah despite him having a couple of really good seasons. Maybe because he never won the PL people are not mentioning him? Maybe next year?
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 28 minutes ago
Gerrard was a very good player but not in Scholes' league.
Honours aren't the only yardstick but scholes had about three times as many as a player.
And the same number as a manager.
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Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
Plus you missed 3 of Gerrard’s other accolades off your list
The Demba Ba award for the greatest PL assist
The Skysports cameraman award for the huddle speech
The Liverpool fans burning his shirt and calling him Judas award for almost signing for Chelsea
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
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No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
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No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
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Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 1 minute ago
Martin Waghorn.
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Nigel Gleghorn
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
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Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
Anyone sleeping with others wives, getting charges for assault, ear biting, drunk driving and all the rest is off the list for me. Doesn’t leave much, I accept.
Anyone even thinking about John Terry needs to seriously rethink their football analysis credentials.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
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All about opinions.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
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I’ll give Gerrard two footed tackles and penalties
I’ll give Scholes passing ability, dribbling, ball control, shooting, awareness of people around him, dictating the tempo of a game etc etc
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Anyone sleeping with others wives, getting charges for assault, ear biting, drunk driving and all the rest is off the list for me. Doesn’t leave much, I accept.
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I've never judged footballers on their discretions
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
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No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
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Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
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Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
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I’ll give Gerrard two footed tackles and penalties
I’ll give Scholes passing ability, dribbling, ball control, shooting, awareness of people around him, dictating the tempo of a game etc etc
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Gerrard better passing, shooting heading, tackling dribbling, leadership. Scholes better at getting better each year after retiring.
Only in it about four years, but Xabi Alonso was class.
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 27 minutes ago
Only in it about four years, but Xabi Alonso was class.
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To be fair, he was great in two of those seasons, his first and last.
if your talking since sky sports then that's easily shearer
3 years running top goalscorer and all for his boyhood club.
Of all time then that would be dalglish
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posted on 15/3/20
Laurent Robert. What a player he was
posted on 15/3/20
Gerrard was a very good player but not in Scholes' league.
Honours aren't the only yardstick but scholes had about three times as many as a player.
And the same number as a manager.
posted on 15/3/20
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
Done to death but a succession of England managers disagreed.
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I'm quite happy to disagree with most England managers. Majority of them have been duds.
posted on 15/3/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 41 minutes ago
Le Tiss the second best player to play in the prem?
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Nah probably not but loved to watch him play - if he’d been plonked into the great teams of the time he’d have got the recognition he deserved.
posted on 15/3/20
I notice not many are mentioning Salah despite him having a couple of really good seasons. Maybe because he never won the PL people are not mentioning him? Maybe next year?
posted on 15/3/20
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 28 minutes ago
Gerrard was a very good player but not in Scholes' league.
Honours aren't the only yardstick but scholes had about three times as many as a player.
And the same number as a manager.
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posted on 15/3/20
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
posted on 15/3/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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posted on 15/3/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
posted on 15/3/20
Plus you missed 3 of Gerrard’s other accolades off your list
The Demba Ba award for the greatest PL assist
The Skysports cameraman award for the huddle speech
The Liverpool fans burning his shirt and calling him Judas award for almost signing for Chelsea
posted on 15/3/20
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
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No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
posted on 15/3/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
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No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
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Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
posted on 15/3/20
Martin Waghorn.
posted on 15/3/20
Or Martyn
posted on 15/3/20
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 1 minute ago
Martin Waghorn.
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Nigel Gleghorn
posted on 15/3/20
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
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Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
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Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
posted on 15/3/20
Anyone sleeping with others wives, getting charges for assault, ear biting, drunk driving and all the rest is off the list for me. Doesn’t leave much, I accept.
Anyone even thinking about John Terry needs to seriously rethink their football analysis credentials.
posted on 15/3/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
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All about opinions.
posted on 15/3/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
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No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
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Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
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Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
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I’ll give Gerrard two footed tackles and penalties
I’ll give Scholes passing ability, dribbling, ball control, shooting, awareness of people around him, dictating the tempo of a game etc etc
posted on 15/3/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Anyone sleeping with others wives, getting charges for assault, ear biting, drunk driving and all the rest is off the list for me. Doesn’t leave much, I accept.
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I've never judged footballers on their discretions
posted on 15/3/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 30 seconds ago
Scholes' team had three times as many.
Scholes wasn't rated by many as highly as he is now after his post retirement elevation, especially by his peers, evidenced by Gerrard's many individual awards and Scholes' few.
Gerrard
Ballon d'Or third place: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005–06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000–01
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2000–01,[247] 2003–04,[248] 2004–05,[249] 2005–06,[250] 2006–07,[251] 2007–08,[252] 2008–09,[253] 2013–14[254]
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000–01, 2008–09
PFA Merit Award: 2015
FWA Tribute Award: 2013
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006
Onze d'Argent: 2005[255]
FA England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
Liverpool Player of the Season: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009
Liverpool Fans Online Player of the Season: 2005,[256] 2007[257]
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2013[258]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year[259]
UEFA Team of the Century[260]
UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Champions League Final Man of The Match: 2005[261]
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09
Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014[262]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
MLS All-Star: 2015[263]
English Football Hall of Fame: 2017[264]
Match of the Day Premier League all-time XI: (published 2017)[265]
BBC Goal of the Season: 2006[266]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2005[267]
Premier League top assist provider: 2013–14[
Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year: 1992–93[147]
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010[144]
Premier League PFA Team of the Year: 2002–03,[148] 2006–07[149]
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008[13]
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel & Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012[150]
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007[151]
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Supports my point. A brilliant team player against an attention seeking weirdo.
Top players make others better too and help their teams win things.
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No, it directly contradicts your point.
Gerrard was rated much higher when they played and as such got voted for many awards and was at one time third in votes for the worlds best player. Scholes never got near it.
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Tbh I'm not that interested in this debate. Im just bored.
Scholes marginally better for me.
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Of course you are as you're spouting nonsense. Gerrard was rated higher by their peers at the time of playing. Scholes received a post retirement elevation. You jumped on the bandwagon.
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I’ll give Gerrard two footed tackles and penalties
I’ll give Scholes passing ability, dribbling, ball control, shooting, awareness of people around him, dictating the tempo of a game etc etc
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Gerrard better passing, shooting heading, tackling dribbling, leadership. Scholes better at getting better each year after retiring.
posted on 15/3/20
Only in it about four years, but Xabi Alonso was class.
posted on 15/3/20
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 27 minutes ago
Only in it about four years, but Xabi Alonso was class.
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To be fair, he was great in two of those seasons, his first and last.
posted on 15/3/20
if your talking since sky sports then that's easily shearer
3 years running top goalscorer and all for his boyhood club.
Of all time then that would be dalglish
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