A 1,000 comment thread with only two main contributors and no footy is some achievement

Yeah, well done Scouse.

comment by HebridesRam (U2909)
posted 2 minutes ago
A 1,000 comment thread with only two main contributors and no footy is some achievement
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Viewfrom will be worried,

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yeah, well done Scouse.


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Behave vidal.

Someone copy this over to Silky. You shouldn't have ditched my prediction for week one. I can hold a grudge for a long time.

comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 4 minutes ago
Someone copy this over to Silky. You shouldn't have ditched my prediction for week one. I can hold a grudge for a long time.
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comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 6 minutes ago
Someone copy this over to Silky. You shouldn't have ditched my prediction for week one. I can hold a grudge for a long time.
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You held-on too long when needing a pee earlier this year Spart, that didn't end well IIRC?

Yes I could hold my water a long time. Not a pleasant experience after a the bladder was full to bursting. Haven't touched alcohol since that evening.

comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted about an hour ago
Someone copy this over to Silky. You shouldn't have ditched my prediction for week one. I can hold a grudge for a long time.
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I didn't mate, you call me a fascist and then promptly ditched me.

comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
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comment by HebridesRam (U2909)
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A 1,000 comment thread with only two main contributors and no footy is some achievement
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Viewfrom will be worried,
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No, I flourish in seeing others succeed.

Spart, can you please unfilter Silky?

comment by ViewFromDeWallen (U1581)
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comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
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comment by HebridesRam (U2909)
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A 1,000 comment thread with only two main contributors and no footy is some achievement
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Viewfrom will be worried,
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No, I flourish in seeing others succeed.

Spart, can you please unfilter Silky?
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Why no what's app bro, not even sure what happened, please share.

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comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted on 31/7/19
It definitely aint Igor

Schools are going to be an issue of much debate. Unfortunately there is already a lack of grown-upness about it, with union leaders using emotive and hyperbolic phrases like "putting the lives of children at risk" and "not going back until it's completely safe". Risk and safety are always relative rather than absolute. There is abundant evidence that children, and especially young children, are at much lower risk than adults at contracting the virus, of getting symptoms if they do contract it, and most importantly that they pass it on much less readily than adults.

In Iceland where testing has been freely available, there was not a single positive case in almost a thousand under-10 year olds. In the case of seasonal flu affecting a household it is estimated that a child brings the virus into that household around 50% of the time. In the case of this virus, in Singapore where schools were not closed it was estimated that a child introduced it into the household only 8% of the time. In the French Alps at the start of the outbreak, a nine-year old with cough and fever caused by Covid 19 attended 3 different school classes and ski lessons but didn't infect anybody at all, something said to be unthinkable if she had had flu instead. It is believed that the small numbers of children who have contracted this virus in countries where schools stayed open did so at home and not in school.

Getting parents and teachers to accept the idea of very low risk as opposed to no risk is going to be the challenge. Many parents will feel instinctively that they don't want their children to go to school, even if the evidence tells them that it isn't any more dangerous now than than it is at any other time. In fact it might be safer now with social distancing and hand hygiene having been ingrained to some degree which could reduce transmission of other infections such as meningitis. I doubt teachers will want to go back though and we might get the same situation that closed schools in the first place - lots of staff choosing to self-isolate with non-specific symptoms that were non-Covid related. Occupationally, analysis has concluded that teachers are relatively low-risk for this infection, lower for example than not just the obvious ones like nurses and care workers but also firefighters, medical secretaries, bus drivers, cashiers and pharmacists. Schools and teachers are vital in society and absence of proper schooling is damaging. We don't need no lack of education.

I don't think the children are at much risk although I have read reports of a rare syndrome which affects children and has been connected to Covid 19. Older male teachers might be most at risk. Can they be excused? As at primary level most teachers are female this might not be a problem at first. Main danger I see in the opening of schools is children taking home the infection. This could be a real problem in some areas where households are multi generational. 88% of people who died of Covid 19 were over 65.

ONS says the most occupational deaths occurred with male care workers.

What do you think about the Bundes league insisting on teams playing when Dresden have 4 players testing positive?

The evidence is that children are very unlikely to infect people at home. There have been a very few reports of toxic shock syndrome in children, but we are then talking of a level of risk which is far lower than the risk they take when travelling to and from school by car, bus or on foot, and similar to the risk of other infections, fatal reaction to a bee sting, etc. You can't keep children out of school forever.

Sometimes teams get a bug that affects a few players, or a crop of injuries. From the point of view of it being a weakened team I suppose normal rules would apply. The other issue would be that if four players have tested positive might there be others who are incubating it? You would think that during playing there would be a reasonable level of risk of droplet spread. At the moment I would have thought that any team with players testing positive should not play. If no players test positive it doesn't mean there won't be any incubating but if the test was close to the fixture the risk of transmission ought then to be low.

Spart... you try telling my wife and her teacher colleagues that they aren't at risk when they've been working with vulnerable and key worker kids for the lockdown. The younger kids aren't able to comprehend social distancing.
More crucially, schools can't physically accommodate the children AND keep 2m apart. Rooms just aren't designed for it.
I'm chair of governors at our village school. I've measured it up already and in our 3 classrooms we can accommodate a total of 37 children and adults
There will be 47 if everyone comes back in yrs R, 1 and 6.
Not enough room.
We could use the school hall but there's no teaching tech in there.
And the Yr 2 3 4 and 5 parents will bust their brains if they don't get their homework. How will the 3 teachers have time to do that if they are already teaching?

Peeder, age and gender statistically say most primary school teachers aren't at much risk. Everyone has a different attitude to risk though. Being male and overweight is a higher risk factor. Look at what happened to our "esteemed" PM. Being old is the main risk factor though.

The 2m thing is completely arbitrary of course. Some countries say 1.5m, but it's all relative, and if the people sitting close to each other don't have it then it doesn't matter anyway. Children have been shown to be at much lower risk of both catching and transmitting the virus so it's very likely that a smaller distance would make little difference. Sensible precautions could apply such as a child with a cough staying off school.

Complete confusion reigns after a day of confusing and poorly executed briefings.

Yesterday our First Minister briefed that Scotland would remain on lockdown, with the exception of allowing more exercise. In the evening Boris outlined a relaxation of restrictions without mentioning (or clarifying) that these applied to England only.

Most visitors here are from England and do not receive Scottish news.

The whole shebang has been handled attrociously.

Just some context for children: at last count there had been five deaths in the UK from Covid in people under the age of twenty. There are around 1500 deaths in children in the UK each year from infectious diseases, two-thirds bacterial and the commonest cause being streptococcal infection. Streptococcus also spreads by droplets as it happens. So the level of risk to children of dying from catching this particular virus is far, far less than the risk which ALWAYS exists. It's just we never used to think about it.

Why is it believed that children don't pass on this disease Vidal. My mother was an infants school teacher and young kids are little petri dishes for the corona viruses that cause colds. It wasn't until I left home for university that I knew you didn't have to have 3 colds every year.

Nobody knows why yet Spart, it's just what has been found worldwide. As you say it is completely different to other viruses including flu where children serve as main vectors of the disease. I think it is one of the reasons why the pandemic has not been as catastrophic as was feared. Ordinarily children would spread it like wildfire. With this one it seems to slow right down when it gets to kids.