Experts provide advice, politicians decide if and when to take it if it suits them. They have been known to tell porkies, especially the serial liar, Boris.

Spain cannot be compared as the circumstances and demographics are very different. As the Italians have said for a few weeks ‘Don’t make the same mistakes as us’ I.e. delaying lockdown. You have your opinion, I have mine.

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 1 second ago
So its the experts who dictate the policy
Boris and Nicola just follow it.
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Not really. They are given the facts and they decide the best course. It’s about being decisive.
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the facts are quite straight forward.
Minimise cases and deaths.
The experts will advise what needs to be done.

Clearly YES the Government can ignore this.

But does anyone of sound mind think this is what happened?

Folk ur mental

Then why didn’t he close the schools earlier?
We closed them a week before Britain.

comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 9 minutes ago
The facts presented by all experts show that preventing social contact reduces the spread of the virus. It is very simple to understand. Boris didn’t call for a lockdown and it has resulted in a greater spread and risk. Argue against that if you will.

The experts stood right next to him when he advised against lock down or rather the experts did.

So its the experts who dictate the policy
Boris and Nicola just follow it.
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And do you think that politicians don’t have a say in the timing? He mucked it up through choice. He decided when he would call a lockdown and it has backfired.
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The issue we're facing is being exacerbated by the public, the very stupid self interested elements of the public.

People in this country simply know better and have been taught not to listen to authority over multiple decades and varying political parties. It's in our make up to ask people to do things; would you please do something, would you mind not being offended if I ask you to do whatever, I really don't want to cause you any mental anguish, but would you mind doing ...……..

Not those desperately going out to work, or trying to save businesses - I understand to an extent there motive. It's the turds who'd ignore whatever government, whatever the threat.

This pandemic is being made worse by members of the public. Too easy to always blame government, teachers, police or anyone but ourselves. People need to take ownership and responsibility - i.e. grow the f*ck up and stay in unless absolutely necessary.

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 21 minutes ago
The facts presented by all experts show that preventing social contact reduces the spread of the virus. It is very simple to understand. Boris didn’t call for a lockdown and it has resulted in a greater spread and risk. Argue against that if you will.

The experts stood right next to him when he advised against lock down or rather the experts did.

So its the experts who dictate the policy
Boris and Nicola just follow it.
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I couldn't agree less Duke - experts advise - politicians decide.

“ experts advise - politicians decide.”

Simple as that.

comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 21 minutes ago
The facts presented by all experts show that preventing social contact reduces the spread of the virus. It is very simple to understand. Boris didn’t call for a lockdown and it has resulted in a greater spread and risk. Argue against that if you will.

The experts stood right next to him when he advised against lock down or rather the experts did.

So its the experts who dictate the policy
Boris and Nicola just follow it.
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I couldn't agree less Duke - experts advise - politicians decide.
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so you are saying that Boris and Nicola ignored the expert advice then?

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 6 minutes ago
Then why didn’t he close the schools earlier?
We closed them a week before Britain.
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maybe the advice your Government took was different
Maybe the virus was at a different stage

Maybe the UK just said fek that advice we are ignoring it.

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 3 minutes ago
“ experts advise - politicians decide.”

Simple as that.
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Think in this crisis that is a little too simplistic...the experts are changing their minds as the outbreak develops too

If the current measures are what the experts advised, then yes they should have ignored them and introduced tighter measures sooner.

Boris's government has taken some 'interesting' decision that in retrospect - even at this very early stage - look remarkably suspect. Thesr include, 'herd immunity that would have seen hundred of thousands dead, Cheltnam, Allowing Atheltico fans to travel from Madrid to Liverpool despite Madrid being a 'hotspot' and scientists warning against it , shaking hands in hospital FFS, not closing schools or banning large event early enough, FFS even the SFA saw that coming.
I think some of these decisions were completely irresponsible and in retrospect will be judged as incompetent.

Get what your saying guys, but they only had to look to Italy. It was happening in front of their eyes.

comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 20 seconds ago
Boris's government has taken some 'interesting' decision that in retrospect - even at this very early stage - look remarkably suspect. Thesr include, 'herd immunity that would have seen hundred of thousands dead, Cheltnam, Allowing Atheltico fans to travel from Madrid to Liverpool despite Madrid being a 'hotspot' and scientists warning against it , shaking hands in hospital FFS, not closing schools or banning large event early enough, FFS even the SFA saw that coming.
I think some of these decisions were completely irresponsible and in retrospect will be judged as incompetent.
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they need to sack their advisors.

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 20 seconds ago
Boris's government has taken some 'interesting' decision that in retrospect - even at this very early stage - look remarkably suspect. Thesr include, 'herd immunity that would have seen hundred of thousands dead, Cheltnam, Allowing Atheltico fans to travel from Madrid to Liverpool despite Madrid being a 'hotspot' and scientists warning against it , shaking hands in hospital FFS, not closing schools or banning large event early enough, FFS even the SFA saw that coming.
I think some of these decisions were completely irresponsible and in retrospect will be judged as incompetent.
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they need to sack their advisors.
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They need to take responsibility for their (in) actions 👍

Why did he give a few fays grace before he closed the bars? Fookin stupid decision.

*days

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 18 seconds ago
Get what your saying guys, but they only had to look to Italy. It was happening in front of their eyes.
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Agreed. Still is and Boris is still telling us how far behind Italy we are. The austerity years that have seen the NHS run down by these people has left it woefully ill-prepared to deal with this pandemic. FFS we are unable, even at this stage, to test all the NHS staff that need tested. We have absolutely no idea how many people are actually infected in the UK because of decisions taken by the UK government and against the advise of the WHO.

*advice*

UK dead at 422.

Up 87.

God help us.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 seconds ago
UK dead at 422.

Up 87.

God help us.
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Is it not he who has initiated this problem

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 20 seconds ago
Boris's government has taken some 'interesting' decision that in retrospect - even at this very early stage - look remarkably suspect. Thesr include, 'herd immunity that would have seen hundred of thousands dead, Cheltnam, Allowing Atheltico fans to travel from Madrid to Liverpool despite Madrid being a 'hotspot' and scientists warning against it , shaking hands in hospital FFS, not closing schools or banning large event early enough, FFS even the SFA saw that coming.
I think some of these decisions were completely irresponsible and in retrospect will be judged as incompetent.
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they need to sack their advisors.
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Maybe they do Duke, there were and are plenty of others warning about the lack of science, the inability of the Govt to produce the figures to justify their 'science' - but the Govt decide to go this way and in doing so have backed their experts' judgement. But it is a decision made by polticians.
Duke do you think it was wise to allow the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead? To allow Madrid fans to travel?

Why is the UK's death rate way above Germany's?? I would feel much more confident if Boris said 'we are two weeks behind Germany' rather than Italy.

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 20 seconds ago
Boris's government has taken some 'interesting' decision that in retrospect - even at this very early stage - look remarkably suspect. Thesr include, 'herd immunity that would have seen hundred of thousands dead, Cheltnam, Allowing Atheltico fans to travel from Madrid to Liverpool despite Madrid being a 'hotspot' and scientists warning against it , shaking hands in hospital FFS, not closing schools or banning large event early enough, FFS even the SFA saw that coming.
I think some of these decisions were completely irresponsible and in retrospect will be judged as incompetent.
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they need to sack their advisors.
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Duke Something definitely isn't quite right. Even the mad rush for ventilators, 27 Feb we could have been reaching out. Instead of 5 days ago. It wasn't like Italy and the WHO weren't shouting from the rooftops for us to give ourselves a shake.

The only thing I can think is that there is a benefit to having a seed infection level pre lockdown. If you lockdown with 10 folk infected, it just pauses everything. So unless you have a vaccine it just prolongs shutdowns, but many countries did it. That said it buys time to formulate a strategy, or increase capacity in health system.

comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 12 seconds ago
Why is the UK's death rate way above Germany's?? I would feel much more confident if Boris said 'we are two weeks behind Germany' rather than Italy.
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They tested...tested...tested
Treated accordingly
and have more hospital beds.

comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 31 seconds ago
Why is the UK's death rate way above Germany's?? I would feel much more confident if Boris said 'we are two weeks behind Germany' rather than Italy.
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They are testing almost anyone who requests. UK it is only on hospital admissions