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posted on 29/3/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 21 minutes ago
Needs must as the devil drives.

Wonder if they’ll have a collective whip round afterwards?


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I wonder when we will going cap in hand to the IMF like the last time we were out of the EU.

Sick Dog of Europe 2:0

posted on 29/3/20

We won’t.

And you said we wouldn’t leave the EU you little liar you.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 seconds ago
We won’t.

And you said we wouldn’t leave the EU you little liar you.
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And you and your ilk said the would be queuing up to trade with us.

posted on 29/3/20

EU grants Tunisia 250m Euros. Hmmm.

posted on 29/3/20

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/first-blow-for-post-brexit-britain-as-australia-rejects-trade-deal/07/01/

Oh how we laughed.

posted on 29/3/20

Even the Guardian is seeing the cracks in the EU.

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/29/the-coronavirus-crisis-has-brought-the-eus-failings-into-sharp-relief

posted on 29/3/20

France, Italy and Spain have not adhered to the EU rules of keeping your financial house or country debt in order. Germany is the financial motor of the EU. Now some Nordic countries do not agree with a financial bailout package. Probably because they have their own shiiiit to deal with, for which they are prepared. Had the Southern countries done the same, they would have been able to deal with this. Some French bird is now calling for solidarity, when France only want solidarity when it suits them. And we've already bailed them out before. They need to sort themselves out, cannot keep asking for handouts, and then throw the toys out of the pram when they get a no for once.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 35 seconds ago

About 70% of our imports currently come from the EU. Poor trade deals will cut that sales point for the remaining EU nations at a time they need the sales
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Again incorrect, the figure is nearer 53%
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Oh, now you mention that, it’s not a lot then.

Sure they can sell that excess to themselves.
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Do you think their (and our) by then struggling economies will refuse to trade with each other because of EU rules when every country has done what was best for them during this crisis?

From listening to the government update they don’t really expect normality for 6 months or beyond so if they’re right that’s September/October.

And the in January they’ll just put the shutters down in trade with us.

I highly doubt that.
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Never said we wouldn’t trade with the EU. I have always said we will have a deal, we are worth too much.
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We’ll just trade on far less favourable terms.

Ingenious.
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And incoming trade will be on less favourable terms.

Why can’t people see it’s a two way deal FFs
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Trade negotiations (from my understanding) are pretty ruthless.

Don't want to revisit tired old arguments about Brexit (which Sizzle seems to revel in) but the UK has spent over 40+ years integrating it's economy with the EU, and (by virtue of membership) global trading partners worldwide.

This is all about to change. If the UK is to be successful outside the EU it *needs* to accept that divergence equals non tariff barriers. Which cost time and money.

If the government were honest with folk, in regard to the inevitable trade offs, there might be less of this inane rhetoric which has sadly overshadowed the entire process.

posted on 29/3/20

If the government were honest with folk
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They wouldn’t be in power.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 35 seconds ago

About 70% of our imports currently come from the EU. Poor trade deals will cut that sales point for the remaining EU nations at a time they need the sales
————————

Again incorrect, the figure is nearer 53%
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Oh, now you mention that, it’s not a lot then.

Sure they can sell that excess to themselves.
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Do you think their (and our) by then struggling economies will refuse to trade with each other because of EU rules when every country has done what was best for them during this crisis?

From listening to the government update they don’t really expect normality for 6 months or beyond so if they’re right that’s September/October.

And the in January they’ll just put the shutters down in trade with us.

I highly doubt that.
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Never said we wouldn’t trade with the EU. I have always said we will have a deal, we are worth too much.
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We’ll just trade on far less favourable terms.

Ingenious.
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And incoming trade will be on less favourable terms.

Why can’t people see it’s a two way deal FFs
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Trade negotiations (from my understanding) are pretty ruthless.

Don't want to revisit tired old arguments about Brexit (which Sizzle seems to revel in) but the UK has spent over 40+ years integrating it's economy with the EU, and (by virtue of membership) global trading partners worldwide.

This is all about to change. If the UK is to be successful outside the EU it *needs* to accept that divergence equals non tariff barriers. Which cost time and money.

If the government were honest with folk, in regard to the inevitable trade offs, there might be less of this inane rhetoric which has sadly overshadowed the entire process.
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Well the Government are still peddling their lies and bull$hit, the only difference now is they’ll blame the whole toxic mess on the Coronavirus.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 17 minutes ago
France, Italy and Spain have not adhered to the EU rules of keeping your financial house or country debt in order. Germany is the financial motor of the EU. Now some Nordic countries do not agree with a financial bailout package. Probably because they have their own shiiiit to deal with, for which they are prepared. Had the Southern countries done the same, they would have been able to deal with this. Some French bird is now calling for solidarity, when France only want solidarity when it suits them. And we've already bailed them out before. They need to sort themselves out, cannot keep asking for handouts, and then throw the toys out of the pram when they get a no for once.
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That's not true, (if I assume you are referring to CV19 expenditure)?

Nothing in the EU treaties nor acquis which prohibits member states expenditure in regard to pandemic control as long as subsidies conform with WTO subsidy and state aid countervailing measures.

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/scm_e/scm_e.htm

Ie. Countries do not exploit these principles for commercial/competitive purposes.

posted on 29/3/20

Hope EU support is flooding into Italy and Spain at this time.

The money issues that Spain will have, every German will have their own sunned reserves in advance.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Hope EU support is flooding into Italy and Spain at this time.

The money issues that Spain will have, every German will have their own sunned reserves in advance.
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Whilst the situation is unprecedented, the Commission has (as has the UK government) implemented radical measures:

"The so-called Coronavirus Response Investment Initiative will make available €37 billion of Cohesion funds to member states to address the consequences of the crisis."

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/03/18/covid-19-council-gives-go-ahead-to-support-from-eu-budget/

comment by TUX (U5315)

posted on 29/3/20

"The so-called Coronavirus Response Investment Initiative will make available €37 billion of Cohesion funds to member states to address the consequences of the crisis."
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€37 billion won't touch the sides. Stick another '0' on the end and that still would'nt help.

posted on 29/3/20

What do we produce that the rest of the World really wants?

Different trading blocs like the EU and North America will probably close ranks with the financial crisis that the Pandemic will create.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Hope EU support is flooding into Italy and Spain at this time.

The money issues that Spain will have, every German will have their own sunned reserves in advance.
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Whilst the situation is unprecedented, the Commission has (as has the UK government) implemented radical measures:

"The so-called Coronavirus Response Investment Initiative will make available €37 billion of Cohesion funds to member states to address the consequences of the crisis."

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/03/18/covid-19-council-gives-go-ahead-to-support-from-eu-budget/
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What, that’s like giving a homeless guy £5 for a sandwich and a tea. Will solve nothing!

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
What do we produce that the rest of the World really wants?

Different trading blocs like the EU and North America will probably close ranks with the financial crisis that the Pandemic will create.
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What do we produce? Jeez.

What do we need from the rest of the world. Every time I see something on the U.K. it’s what we need from others. What about looking at what they need from the U.K. FFS

posted on 29/3/20

What do we produce? Jeez.

What do we need from the rest of the world. Every time I see something on the U.K. it’s what we need from others. What about looking at what they need from the U.K. FFS
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Look around the room you're in, count the items that were made in the UK.

Apart from financial services, what else can we offer to the rest of the World?

Scotch Whisky, Marmalade, tweed, Mr Bean.....

posted on 30/3/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
What do we produce? Jeez.

What do we need from the rest of the world. Every time I see something on the U.K. it’s what we need from others. What about looking at what they need from the U.K. FFS
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Look around the room you're in, count the items that were made in the UK.

Apart from financial services, what else can we offer to the rest of the World?

Scotch Whisky, Marmalade, tweed, Mr Bean.....


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posted on 30/3/20

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe

posted on 30/3/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 hours, 57 minutes ago
What do we produce? Jeez.

What do we need from the rest of the world. Every time I see something on the U.K. it’s what we need from others. What about looking at what they need from the U.K. FFS
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Look around the room you're in, count the items that were made in the UK.

Apart from financial services, what else can we offer to the rest of the World?

Scotch Whisky, Marmalade, tweed, Mr Bean.....


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You need to look at the value of our exports and manufacturing.

Just financial services? If that were true, why do we bother to make anything?

posted on 30/3/20

Just financial services? If that were true, why do we bother to make anything?
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The UK doesn't bother to make a great deal.

However we do design and invent loads of products.

Then go abroad to make them cheaply.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/3/20

Exactly RBW,

A number of countries like the UK, USA and Oz have outsourced huge swathes of manufacturing and supply. It's fine in a good economy but built on a foundation of sand.

posted on 30/3/20

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe
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So... a few hundred thousand will volunteer for the NHS, but no one is willing to work for feeding the population??

Stupid article.

posted on 30/3/20

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe
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So... a few hundred thousand will volunteer for the NHS, but no one is willing to work for feeding the population??

Stupid article.
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Yes

You’d think the Brexiters would be throwing themselves at this.

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