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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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KK, very high, less talent but dynamic. Not the best Liverpool player I've seen though, that was Kenny. I can't do à list of them in order, and it's all opinion.
I would probably put Ronaldo at No2 based one game at OT
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
KK, very high, less talent but dynamic. Not the best Liverpool player I've seen though, that was Kenny. I can't do à list of them in order, and it's all opinion.
I would probably put Ronaldo at No2 based one game at OT
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Where would you rate the likes of Zico, Socrates and Garrincha?
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And McGrath’
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Didn't see them live, and I keep it to that.
Good player Paul, not a great though.
Imagine Ryan Giggs with 2 equally good feet, good in the air, not only able take good corners but scored directly from a few, and could beat a player from a standing start with the ball at his feet and holding one of his boots and then come back and beat him again just for fun.
Best was the best player Man United have ever had. (He also had a long career at United... best part of 11 seasons).
Ask any opposing fans at the time... If Best wasn't on the United team sheet THEY felt cheated. I can't think a single player who had that effect.
Also, what more could he have achieved as a footballer.
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Myself and RBW addressed that. Best played professional football for 20 years - though barely played towards the end - and was at United for 11, he’s 14th in appearance makes at the club. I dunno where this myth that Best had a short career came from.
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That’s fair, but he started playing for United at 17, scoring double figures in eight of those seasons nine seasons before he was 26.
Obviously he could, and should, have been much more in a United shirt. But people seem to confuse his drop off at an early age with a short career in football.
Top 5 of united players i have seen.
When rating players my first consideration is what they bring to the team - it is a team sport, after all
For united, only Charlton, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo (in no particular order) are comparable to what Best brought to the team.
On a world scale .....?
Difficult to work out. Maradona is the greatest as he contributed more to those around him than ANY other player. And any top 5 would have to also include Baresi, Ronaldo and van Basten.
On that kind of level, Best was as good as anyone to watch on the pitch, but oddly often at the same time Charlton would be causing all kinds of eye-catching carnage.
So difficult to pick, but as a United fan I consider myself blessed and privileged
For united, only Charlton, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo (in no particular order) are comparable to what Best brought to the team.
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Actually, ask a lot of the older boys. Denis Law was the King out of the United Trinity.
And ask people of my generation and I can tell you that Bryan Robson was better than Keano.
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
For united, only Charlton, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo (in no particular order) are comparable to what Best brought to the team.
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Actually, ask a lot of the older boys. Denis Law was the King out of the United Trinity.
And ask people of my generation and I can tell you that Bryan Robson was better than Keano.
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Law was just a hitman - a good one and vital to the team but nowhere as influential as best and Charlton
Robson was no Roy Keane. Great player but I'm not entertaining debating about him compared to Keane - no contest.
United owe much of their current record breaking status to him, and that is probably unmatched. There have been 'prettier' players out there to watch but Keane encapsulated completeness
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comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
"Never, ever has there been a period in football where two players have dominated the game like these two have. They’ve defined a whole generation of football and its fans."
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Even before my time Tom Finney and Stanley Matthews were tearing up the football world between them.
It's all culturally relative.
Not like Ronaldo and Messi they weren’t. Mathews scored 80 goals in his club career, Finney 210. Ronaldo and Messi scored more than that in four seasons. Neither of those ever played European football either. But made a impact at international level where there weren’t as many professional teams. They aren’t comparable.
Having two players play at this level, at the exact same time, for this long has never happened. And why in the future there will be whole generations of people that will proclaim them the greatest ever - it’s already happening now while they’re still playing.
Robson was no Roy Keane.
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No, he wasn't, you are right.
And Law was also never just a 'hit man'
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 32 minutes ago
Robson was no Roy Keane.
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No, he wasn't, you are right.
And Law was also never just a 'hit man'
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Okay, not "just", but that was what he was good at.
Most of the destruction was going on behind him.
Charlton was the player that made me become a United fan, when all my schoolyard chums were trying to be Best, I was cutting out a fine facsimile of the Charlton role
George was the best player I have seen live. He was pure entertainment.
Cruyff was the closest I have seen live. Of those I haven’t, Messi.
Any all time lists that don't have Messi and Ronaldo in 1 and 2 in whatever order should be immediately disregarded. For all the heroes of the past, their records don't come even close to standing up to theirs, and they haven't earned those records playing against defenders in lead boots whose pre match fitness routine was 4 pints of mild and 20 Capstan full.
It's always nice to look back on the greats of their era though. Too young to have seen Best, Pele, etc, but Maradona was amazing for his time, as were the other Ronaldo and Zidane. Hopefully as more time passes, the current two greats will take their rightful place at the top of everyone's list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJWWA-h_-5g
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 8 minutes ago
And the pitches were often crap
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Best played in mud, being kicked and with a heavy ball!
Did you see the Maradona film, Cal?
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Hopefully as more time passes, the current two greats will take their rightful place at the top of everyone's list.
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Whether it’s rightful or not, I’ve no doubt this will be the case in the future for reasons I’ve already given.
90% of the people who say that Ronaldo and Messi are the GAOT have actually never seen them play live. Just on TV. Not the same.
Footballers from previous generations were not televised much, or if at all.
Example. what you see of Best in Youtube clips is probably less than 10% of his actual playing time in his whole career. The things you see him do he did on a regular basis, week in and week out and on many weeks even better, but their is no recorded evidence of it all. All you can do is listen to what those who saw it live have to say and take their word for it. The same goes for the likes of Greaves, Charlton, Pele, Eusebio, Matthews, Edwards, Finney etc.
This is why comparing different generations of players as the GOAT is pretty pointless.
Robson could do everything Keane could plus score goals.
Law was not a good striker, he was a great footballer. He was an inside forward for a lot of his career, and a conveyor belt between defence and attack. Matt turned him into a striker and he excelled at both. He was a true great and loved by the Stretford end.
What has changed is fitness, playing conditions, tactics and tackling. What hasn't is talent.
Rooney, before his decline, was the equal of Law before his.
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posted on 30/3/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
KK, very high, less talent but dynamic. Not the best Liverpool player I've seen though, that was Kenny. I can't do à list of them in order, and it's all opinion.
I would probably put Ronaldo at No2 based one game at OT
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Where would you rate the likes of Zico, Socrates and Garrincha?
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And McGrath’
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
KK, very high, less talent but dynamic. Not the best Liverpool player I've seen though, that was Kenny. I can't do à list of them in order, and it's all opinion.
I would probably put Ronaldo at No2 based one game at OT
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Where would you rate the likes of Zico, Socrates and Garrincha?
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And McGrath’
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Didn't see them live, and I keep it to that.
Good player Paul, not a great though.
posted on 30/3/20
Imagine Ryan Giggs with 2 equally good feet, good in the air, not only able take good corners but scored directly from a few, and could beat a player from a standing start with the ball at his feet and holding one of his boots and then come back and beat him again just for fun.
Best was the best player Man United have ever had. (He also had a long career at United... best part of 11 seasons).
Ask any opposing fans at the time... If Best wasn't on the United team sheet THEY felt cheated. I can't think a single player who had that effect.
Also, what more could he have achieved as a footballer.
posted on 30/3/20
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posted on 30/3/20
Myself and RBW addressed that. Best played professional football for 20 years - though barely played towards the end - and was at United for 11, he’s 14th in appearance makes at the club. I dunno where this myth that Best had a short career came from.
posted on 30/3/20
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posted on 30/3/20
That’s fair, but he started playing for United at 17, scoring double figures in eight of those seasons nine seasons before he was 26.
Obviously he could, and should, have been much more in a United shirt. But people seem to confuse his drop off at an early age with a short career in football.
posted on 30/3/20
Top 5 of united players i have seen.
When rating players my first consideration is what they bring to the team - it is a team sport, after all
For united, only Charlton, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo (in no particular order) are comparable to what Best brought to the team.
On a world scale .....?
Difficult to work out. Maradona is the greatest as he contributed more to those around him than ANY other player. And any top 5 would have to also include Baresi, Ronaldo and van Basten.
On that kind of level, Best was as good as anyone to watch on the pitch, but oddly often at the same time Charlton would be causing all kinds of eye-catching carnage.
So difficult to pick, but as a United fan I consider myself blessed and privileged
posted on 30/3/20
For united, only Charlton, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo (in no particular order) are comparable to what Best brought to the team.
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Actually, ask a lot of the older boys. Denis Law was the King out of the United Trinity.
And ask people of my generation and I can tell you that Bryan Robson was better than Keano.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
For united, only Charlton, Keane, Rooney and Ronaldo (in no particular order) are comparable to what Best brought to the team.
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Actually, ask a lot of the older boys. Denis Law was the King out of the United Trinity.
And ask people of my generation and I can tell you that Bryan Robson was better than Keano.
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Law was just a hitman - a good one and vital to the team but nowhere as influential as best and Charlton
Robson was no Roy Keane. Great player but I'm not entertaining debating about him compared to Keane - no contest.
United owe much of their current record breaking status to him, and that is probably unmatched. There have been 'prettier' players out there to watch but Keane encapsulated completeness
posted on 30/3/20
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posted on 30/3/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
"Never, ever has there been a period in football where two players have dominated the game like these two have. They’ve defined a whole generation of football and its fans."
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Even before my time Tom Finney and Stanley Matthews were tearing up the football world between them.
It's all culturally relative.
posted on 30/3/20
Not like Ronaldo and Messi they weren’t. Mathews scored 80 goals in his club career, Finney 210. Ronaldo and Messi scored more than that in four seasons. Neither of those ever played European football either. But made a impact at international level where there weren’t as many professional teams. They aren’t comparable.
Having two players play at this level, at the exact same time, for this long has never happened. And why in the future there will be whole generations of people that will proclaim them the greatest ever - it’s already happening now while they’re still playing.
posted on 30/3/20
Robson was no Roy Keane.
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No, he wasn't, you are right.
And Law was also never just a 'hit man'
posted on 30/3/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 32 minutes ago
Robson was no Roy Keane.
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No, he wasn't, you are right.
And Law was also never just a 'hit man'
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Okay, not "just", but that was what he was good at.
Most of the destruction was going on behind him.
Charlton was the player that made me become a United fan, when all my schoolyard chums were trying to be Best, I was cutting out a fine facsimile of the Charlton role
posted on 31/3/20
George was the best player I have seen live. He was pure entertainment.
Cruyff was the closest I have seen live. Of those I haven’t, Messi.
posted on 31/3/20
Any all time lists that don't have Messi and Ronaldo in 1 and 2 in whatever order should be immediately disregarded. For all the heroes of the past, their records don't come even close to standing up to theirs, and they haven't earned those records playing against defenders in lead boots whose pre match fitness routine was 4 pints of mild and 20 Capstan full.
It's always nice to look back on the greats of their era though. Too young to have seen Best, Pele, etc, but Maradona was amazing for his time, as were the other Ronaldo and Zidane. Hopefully as more time passes, the current two greats will take their rightful place at the top of everyone's list.
posted on 31/3/20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJWWA-h_-5g
posted on 31/3/20
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posted on 31/3/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 8 minutes ago
And the pitches were often crap
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Best played in mud, being kicked and with a heavy ball!
Did you see the Maradona film, Cal?
posted on 31/3/20
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posted on 31/3/20
Hopefully as more time passes, the current two greats will take their rightful place at the top of everyone's list.
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Whether it’s rightful or not, I’ve no doubt this will be the case in the future for reasons I’ve already given.
posted on 31/3/20
90% of the people who say that Ronaldo and Messi are the GAOT have actually never seen them play live. Just on TV. Not the same.
Footballers from previous generations were not televised much, or if at all.
Example. what you see of Best in Youtube clips is probably less than 10% of his actual playing time in his whole career. The things you see him do he did on a regular basis, week in and week out and on many weeks even better, but their is no recorded evidence of it all. All you can do is listen to what those who saw it live have to say and take their word for it. The same goes for the likes of Greaves, Charlton, Pele, Eusebio, Matthews, Edwards, Finney etc.
This is why comparing different generations of players as the GOAT is pretty pointless.
posted on 31/3/20
Robson could do everything Keane could plus score goals.
Law was not a good striker, he was a great footballer. He was an inside forward for a lot of his career, and a conveyor belt between defence and attack. Matt turned him into a striker and he excelled at both. He was a true great and loved by the Stretford end.
What has changed is fitness, playing conditions, tactics and tackling. What hasn't is talent.
Rooney, before his decline, was the equal of Law before his.
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