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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
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Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
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Any bloody test would be useful right now.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
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Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
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To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
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Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
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To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
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posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
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Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
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To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
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Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was always the case
We still have no idea how many people have had this and from that it is impossible to predict any trends which is why the graphs are utterly meaningless and why we cannot have an exit plan
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Italy and France are only reporting hospital deaths not nursing home’s or folk who die at home
So what is the real death toll?
Italy must be plus 20k?
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
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I honestly don't know mate. I'd hazard a guess that maybe a certain amount of time and study would always need to be applied before these sort of things go to mass market?
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posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly don't know mate. I'd hazard a guess that maybe a certain amount of time and study would always need to be applied before these sort of things go to mass market?
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Yeah, agree with that.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly don't know mate. I'd hazard a guess that maybe a certain amount of time and study would always need to be applied before these sort of things go to mass market?
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Yeah, agree with that.
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Oh but reading your comment back I might have given the wrong impression. I guess treatments could well come much sooner, from what I've heard there are several drugs that can potentially combat the virus. These would have been approved already for other viruses so have gone from that stage well in advance.
The thing that's apparently and likely a longer way off is a vaccine
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 15 minutes ago
Approved drugs are already being trialed. Effective treatment is probably the first port of call.
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Don’t we need to know who actually has it first?
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
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Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was always the case
We still have no idea how many people have had this and from that it is impossible to predict any trends which is why the graphs are utterly meaningless and why we cannot have an exit plan
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Italy and France are only reporting hospital deaths not nursing home’s or folk who die at home
So what is the real death toll?
Italy must be plus 20k?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thought this too!
How many are dying around the wor ld from the virus, with no cameras or tests?
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
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Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
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There's no ambiguity about this. It was about access to a shared procurement stream, exploiting economies of scale to get more at a better price. It wouldn't have stopped the UK government from also pursuing its own parallel procurement activities and didn't involve sharing around existing ventilators.
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 9 hours, 38 minutes ago
The lesson we in The West are learning too late is this; Total Lockdown early doors, and test, test and test some more.
You just hate China, clearly. But they did it. So did Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea and Japan.
Italy, Iran and Spain didn't. The UK went even further against this model and decided that herd immunity would be the best way to tackle this.
Just... Bizarre. <shakes-head>
2k frontline NHS staff tested to date. Out of a workforce of over 1.2 million.
That's not bizarre - its downright incompetent.
After ten years of austerity the NHS, bled dry, is now having bail out Johnson and Cummings.
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and in east asia
all wear face masks in public
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK actually attended the four first meetings on EU PPE procurement. But for reasons unknown the government then chose to opt out, blaming everyone but themselves.
It's believed the UK opted out as we chose to implement the herd immunity programme and felt that (when PPE was being procured throughout Europe) it was not a priority.
This is probably one of the reasons why PPE and testing kits etc have been so hard for the UK to bring in, as we came 'late to the party' when trying to compete globally.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK actually attended the four first meetings on EU PPE procurement. But for reasons unknown the government then chose to opt out, blaming everyone but themselves.
It's believed the UK opted out as we chose to implement the herd immunity programme and felt that (when PPE was being procured throughout Europe) it was not a priority.
This is probably one of the reasons why PPE and testing kits etc have been so hard for the UK to bring in, as we came 'late to the party' when trying to compete globally.
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Hmmmm
That all sounds a bit like guesswork to me.
Only saying
Fack off Coronavirus it's killed Eddie Large now
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 3 seconds ago
Fack off Coronavirus it's killed Eddie Large now
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 3 seconds ago
Fack off Coronavirus it's killed Eddie Large now
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I used to love them two when I was a nipper.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK actually attended the four first meetings on EU PPE procurement. But for reasons unknown the government then chose to opt out, blaming everyone but themselves.
It's believed the UK opted out as we chose to implement the herd immunity programme and felt that (when PPE was being procured throughout Europe) it was not a priority.
This is probably one of the reasons why PPE and testing kits etc have been so hard for the UK to bring in, as we came 'late to the party' when trying to compete globally.
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Hmmmm
That all sounds a bit like guesswork to me.
Only saying
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Apologies, #10 originally lied by saying the UK (as a non-member state) could not avail of the programme.
Minutes taken from the meetings confirmed the UK actually took part in 8 out of 12 EU health security meetings on the CV19 crisis.
Four of which focused on global PPE procurement .
They lied again by stating they accidentally missed the procurement deadline.
And for good measure added a third lie by claiming they didn’t get an invitation in time to avail of the scheme.
Had the UK taken advantage of the scheme we would now have more PPE and ventilators than we do at the moment, and more lives would have been saved.
Just saying
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
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That’s why we need to test test test.
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Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
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Any bloody test would be useful right now.
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
posted on 2/4/20
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posted on 2/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
posted on 2/4/20
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posted on 2/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was always the case
We still have no idea how many people have had this and from that it is impossible to predict any trends which is why the graphs are utterly meaningless and why we cannot have an exit plan
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Italy and France are only reporting hospital deaths not nursing home’s or folk who die at home
So what is the real death toll?
Italy must be plus 20k?
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly don't know mate. I'd hazard a guess that maybe a certain amount of time and study would always need to be applied before these sort of things go to mass market?
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly don't know mate. I'd hazard a guess that maybe a certain amount of time and study would always need to be applied before these sort of things go to mass market?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, agree with that.
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 minutes ago
The amount of health staff off work is a big problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s why we need to test test test.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different tests needed. But I think the antibody test will be really useful here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me that is the most important but it still hasn't had it's viability confirmed.
And i do understand you can't just rush that.
Interesting to note we've already started human trials on various treatments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heard an expert talking about the human trials starting, they suggested 12-18 months for an approved vaccine would still be on the very side even with that noted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really?
I got the impression (may well be wrong) that they would be fast tracking trails down to a 3-4 month timeline.
So much conflicting information
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly don't know mate. I'd hazard a guess that maybe a certain amount of time and study would always need to be applied before these sort of things go to mass market?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, agree with that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh but reading your comment back I might have given the wrong impression. I guess treatments could well come much sooner, from what I've heard there are several drugs that can potentially combat the virus. These would have been approved already for other viruses so have gone from that stage well in advance.
The thing that's apparently and likely a longer way off is a vaccine
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 15 minutes ago
Approved drugs are already being trialed. Effective treatment is probably the first port of call.
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Don’t we need to know who actually has it first?
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TEST TEST TEST
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was always the case
We still have no idea how many people have had this and from that it is impossible to predict any trends which is why the graphs are utterly meaningless and why we cannot have an exit plan
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Italy and France are only reporting hospital deaths not nursing home’s or folk who die at home
So what is the real death toll?
Italy must be plus 20k?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thought this too!
How many are dying around the wor ld from the virus, with no cameras or tests?
posted on 2/4/20
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no ambiguity about this. It was about access to a shared procurement stream, exploiting economies of scale to get more at a better price. It wouldn't have stopped the UK government from also pursuing its own parallel procurement activities and didn't involve sharing around existing ventilators.
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 9 hours, 38 minutes ago
The lesson we in The West are learning too late is this; Total Lockdown early doors, and test, test and test some more.
You just hate China, clearly. But they did it. So did Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea and Japan.
Italy, Iran and Spain didn't. The UK went even further against this model and decided that herd immunity would be the best way to tackle this.
Just... Bizarre. <shakes-head>
2k frontline NHS staff tested to date. Out of a workforce of over 1.2 million.
That's not bizarre - its downright incompetent.
After ten years of austerity the NHS, bled dry, is now having bail out Johnson and Cummings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and in east asia
all wear face masks in public
posted on 2/4/20
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK actually attended the four first meetings on EU PPE procurement. But for reasons unknown the government then chose to opt out, blaming everyone but themselves.
It's believed the UK opted out as we chose to implement the herd immunity programme and felt that (when PPE was being procured throughout Europe) it was not a priority.
This is probably one of the reasons why PPE and testing kits etc have been so hard for the UK to bring in, as we came 'late to the party' when trying to compete globally.
posted on 2/4/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK actually attended the four first meetings on EU PPE procurement. But for reasons unknown the government then chose to opt out, blaming everyone but themselves.
It's believed the UK opted out as we chose to implement the herd immunity programme and felt that (when PPE was being procured throughout Europe) it was not a priority.
This is probably one of the reasons why PPE and testing kits etc have been so hard for the UK to bring in, as we came 'late to the party' when trying to compete globally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmmm
That all sounds a bit like guesswork to me.
Only saying
posted on 2/4/20
Fack off Coronavirus it's killed Eddie Large now
posted on 2/4/20
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 3 seconds ago
Fack off Coronavirus it's killed Eddie Large now
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posted on 2/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
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comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
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Fack off Coronavirus it's killed Eddie Large now
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I used to love them two when I was a nipper.
posted on 2/4/20
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
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https://inews.co.uk/news/fury-no-10-refuse-shared-eu-ventilator-scheme-2519569
Meanwhile in the U.K.
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Really in 2 minds about this.
On the one hand it looks like an opportunity to get more ventilators squandered.
On the other hand, it could be the EU wanting to pool all the ventilators and distribute them where they're most needed.
If it is the latter and we had signed up then we would be obliged to hand over the ones we already have and they would instantly go to Spain & Italy leaving us without.
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The UK actually attended the four first meetings on EU PPE procurement. But for reasons unknown the government then chose to opt out, blaming everyone but themselves.
It's believed the UK opted out as we chose to implement the herd immunity programme and felt that (when PPE was being procured throughout Europe) it was not a priority.
This is probably one of the reasons why PPE and testing kits etc have been so hard for the UK to bring in, as we came 'late to the party' when trying to compete globally.
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Hmmmm
That all sounds a bit like guesswork to me.
Only saying
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Apologies, #10 originally lied by saying the UK (as a non-member state) could not avail of the programme.
Minutes taken from the meetings confirmed the UK actually took part in 8 out of 12 EU health security meetings on the CV19 crisis.
Four of which focused on global PPE procurement .
They lied again by stating they accidentally missed the procurement deadline.
And for good measure added a third lie by claiming they didn’t get an invitation in time to avail of the scheme.
Had the UK taken advantage of the scheme we would now have more PPE and ventilators than we do at the moment, and more lives would have been saved.
Just saying
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