comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 13 minutes ago
What’s everyone’s view on taking time off to look after kids if wife is ill?
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The government say you can do it, so legally you're allowed to and certainly morally it's absolutely the right thing to do. However, even then, my company can give you a warning for it.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 13 minutes ago
What’s everyone’s view on taking time off to look after kids if wife is ill?
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The government say you can do it, so legally you're allowed to and certainly morally it's absolutely the right thing to do. However, even then, my company can give you a warning for it.
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If call ACAS if me and tell em to fook off.
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 13 minutes ago
What’s everyone’s view on taking time off to look after kids if wife is ill?
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The government say you can do it, so legally you're allowed to and certainly morally it's absolutely the right thing to do. However, even then, my company can give you a warning for it.
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If call ACAS if me and tell em to fook off.
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Don't they only offer advice and guidance?
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
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If you can work from home then that’s better. But don’t take days off work if you can’t work from home just because you have a sniffle. You underestimate the human body if you think you’ll die from catching cold or flu unless your immune system is quite weak already. Seriously some people need to literally ‘man up’. You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
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If you can work from home then that’s better. But don’t take days off work if you can’t work from home just because you have a sniffle. You underestimate the human body if you think you’ll die from catching cold or flu unless your immune system is quite weak already. Seriously some people need to literally ‘man up’. You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Your sniffles can get someone else proper sick. You dont seem to get that. You are spreading a viral disease just to so you can say your a 'hard man' who's coming to work when he's carrying a contagious disease. You would be the one spreading Corona in the office because. Stay the fack home when you are sick.
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesnt stop me going into work.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
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That would be because it's nonsense. However it is plausible to say you can manifest greater level of sickness and I believe that's where women get 'man-flu' from when referring to men.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
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Of course there is no evidence because its nonsense
https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2015/12/separating-fact-from-fiction-about-colds-and-flu.html
"4. If you have just a mild cold, are you less infectious?
Just because you have mild symptoms doesn’t mean the virus is mild. It may just mean that your immune system controls the infection. So it’s important to remember that even with minimal symptoms, YES, you can still infect others. Many of these “mild colds” can make other people really sick, especially if they have weakened immune systems. As I often tell people, a simple cold is rarely simple in high-risk patients."
men tend to suffer from viruses worse than women
because the protective genes are located on the x chromosome , and men only have one of them
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesn't stop me going into work.
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Shooting pains are not contagious. I am talking about carrying a contagious disease into the office. Whatever it is, don't come to work.
comment by peks..#masks4all (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
men tend to suffer from viruses worse than women
because the protective genes are located on the x chromosome , and men only have one of them
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Heard this too
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
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It’s psychological. If you’re mentally weak you’re naturally going to recover at a slower pace.
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesn't stop me going into work.
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Shooting pains are not contagious. I am talking about carrying a contagious disease into the office. Whatever it is, don't come to work.
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If people didn't come into work everytime they had a cold, you'd have half the workforce down throughout the year. Many companies couldn't cope with that.
Also many hourly paid workers couldn't cope with that.
comment by Prankster (U22336)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
I agree with the OP however some employers are decent and some are not, so your actions will really depend on the decency of your employer.
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100% and the worst part of this is some of the companies you'd expect to be ridiculously strict about sickness issues don't actually give a damn.
My Mrs works for one of the big supermarket chains, not saying who but it rhymes with bainsburys, and they're meant to have a '48 hours clear' policy with regards to any absence due to sickness or the squits, but if they can get you in the very next day then they absolutely will. May differ from store to store, manager to manager, but she's worked in 4 stores and every one was the same. I'd avoid their fresh food counters like the plague.
Retired from PAYE employment at 33 (back in the early 90s), but must confess to being guilty of turning up when 'not well'. I was a bad corporate prostitute, slaving for the yankee dollar (to paraphrase the skids), but I always knew it was only ever a 'means end game'.
Can't change the bad, selfish, behaviour of my past (no one can) - and it was selfish, because being a corporate prostitute was only done in order to get secure enough to stop, avoid burn-out and also to actually start to enjoy life.
That's the problem. I was actually quite mild and reserved compared to some I was employed alongside. Sociopathy was rife. But not being seen to be a willing and winning slave (no matter how unwell) was not accepted. Lunch really was for wimps.
I look at society around me now and see that employee/employer relations are far more pressured - although it was already obvious back in '93 that that the way it was heading - and this current schism in our society is really going to reinforce two fundamental issues: firstly, much of what people are employed doing is either meaningless and/or insecure, but equally, the motivations for doing it are horrendous
I've been to America and they have a different attitude in offices to sick people. you sick get the hell out.
if you work in any gmp environment turning up sick is tantamount to a sackable offense here.
it really is employer pressure to work til you drop.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesn't stop me going into work.
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Shooting pains are not contagious. I am talking about carrying a contagious disease into the office. Whatever it is, don't come to work.
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If people didn't come into work everytime they had a cold, you'd have half the workforce down throughout the year. Many companies couldn't cope with that.
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If people stopped getting into work spreading diseases less people would get sick.
the reality is we are currently proving that trust is the issue. when employers have no choice suddenly it's fine to work from home.
my place actively discouraged working from home and even when they got lousy results in global annual survey they kind of let it in but made efforts via hr staff to act like it was a no no
I did it once and got hr staff copying my manager and the site he manager demanding to know my hours so they could enter in system.
baffling that the are all suddenly silent these days eh?
I know people who work for firms who don`t give them sick pay, they only get the statutory amount which is far less than than their full wage. So they turn up for work in all kinds of states because they don`t want to lose money, spreading their germs all around their colleagues. Their company does this to stop staff abusing the sickness system if they were entitled to full pay.
Fortunately for myself, the company I work for pays my full wage, but I need a doctors note if I am off sick for more than 5 working days.
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 17 minutes ago
Retired from PAYE employment at 33 (back in the early 90s), but must confess to being guilty of turning up when 'not well'. I was a bad corporate prostitute, slaving for the yankee dollar (to paraphrase the skids), but I always knew it was only ever a 'means end game'.
Can't change the bad, selfish, behaviour of my past (no one can) - and it was selfish, because being a corporate prostitute was only done in order to get secure enough to stop, avoid burn-out and also to actually start to enjoy life.
That's the problem. I was actually quite mild and reserved compared to some I was employed alongside. Sociopathy was rife. But not being seen to be a willing and winning slave (no matter how unwell) was not accepted. Lunch really was for wimps.
I look at society around me now and see that employee/employer relations are far more pressured - although it was already obvious back in '93 that that the way it was heading - and this current schism in our society is really going to reinforce two fundamental issues: firstly, much of what people are employed doing is either meaningless and/or insecure, but equally, the motivations for doing it are horrendous
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That another thing people eating at their desk. Never have never will. Take a break. No should be too busy not to have a break. If you are, you're either not managing your time or your workload is too big.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Even if completely legitimate?
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posted on 3/4/20
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 13 minutes ago
What’s everyone’s view on taking time off to look after kids if wife is ill?
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The government say you can do it, so legally you're allowed to and certainly morally it's absolutely the right thing to do. However, even then, my company can give you a warning for it.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 13 minutes ago
What’s everyone’s view on taking time off to look after kids if wife is ill?
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The government say you can do it, so legally you're allowed to and certainly morally it's absolutely the right thing to do. However, even then, my company can give you a warning for it.
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If call ACAS if me and tell em to fook off.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 13 minutes ago
What’s everyone’s view on taking time off to look after kids if wife is ill?
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The government say you can do it, so legally you're allowed to and certainly morally it's absolutely the right thing to do. However, even then, my company can give you a warning for it.
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If call ACAS if me and tell em to fook off.
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Don't they only offer advice and guidance?
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
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If you can work from home then that’s better. But don’t take days off work if you can’t work from home just because you have a sniffle. You underestimate the human body if you think you’ll die from catching cold or flu unless your immune system is quite weak already. Seriously some people need to literally ‘man up’. You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
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If you can work from home then that’s better. But don’t take days off work if you can’t work from home just because you have a sniffle. You underestimate the human body if you think you’ll die from catching cold or flu unless your immune system is quite weak already. Seriously some people need to literally ‘man up’. You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Your sniffles can get someone else proper sick. You dont seem to get that. You are spreading a viral disease just to so you can say your a 'hard man' who's coming to work when he's carrying a contagious disease. You would be the one spreading Corona in the office because. Stay the fack home when you are sick.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesnt stop me going into work.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
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That would be because it's nonsense. However it is plausible to say you can manifest greater level of sickness and I believe that's where women get 'man-flu' from when referring to men.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Brother (U20548)
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comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
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For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
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Of course there is no evidence because its nonsense
posted on 3/4/20
https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2015/12/separating-fact-from-fiction-about-colds-and-flu.html
"4. If you have just a mild cold, are you less infectious?
Just because you have mild symptoms doesn’t mean the virus is mild. It may just mean that your immune system controls the infection. So it’s important to remember that even with minimal symptoms, YES, you can still infect others. Many of these “mild colds” can make other people really sick, especially if they have weakened immune systems. As I often tell people, a simple cold is rarely simple in high-risk patients."
posted on 3/4/20
men tend to suffer from viruses worse than women
because the protective genes are located on the x chromosome , and men only have one of them
posted on 3/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesn't stop me going into work.
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Shooting pains are not contagious. I am talking about carrying a contagious disease into the office. Whatever it is, don't come to work.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by peks..#masks4all (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
men tend to suffer from viruses worse than women
because the protective genes are located on the x chromosome , and men only have one of them
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Heard this too
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the latter two, not coming in to work is an actual disgrace. You have to look at it from heriachy point of view. They’re paying you to come to work everyday, and give you the 28 day holiday. Now taking days off outside of those allocated days can affect business, especially if said business relies quite a bit on making sure staff are available to work rather than other businesses which at times are over staffed and you can get away with.
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So you are one of those people that get me sick then.
You do realise if you infect someone else with your flu they potentially could die.
Sorry, but if you sick with a viral disease, stay the fack home, work from home, but dont take the bus, train and metro into work, have lunch in the canteen, and infect dozens of people doing so.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can actually stop a cold in it’s tracks if you convince yourself you aren’t ill. Opposite is also true where you can actually have a full blown exposure just by convincing yourself you have a bad cold.
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Where are you getting this from? You are presenting it as fact but I don't believe there's any solid evidence for this.
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It’s psychological. If you’re mentally weak you’re naturally going to recover at a slower pace.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
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comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesn't stop me going into work.
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Shooting pains are not contagious. I am talking about carrying a contagious disease into the office. Whatever it is, don't come to work.
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If people didn't come into work everytime they had a cold, you'd have half the workforce down throughout the year. Many companies couldn't cope with that.
posted on 3/4/20
Also many hourly paid workers couldn't cope with that.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by Prankster (U22336)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
I agree with the OP however some employers are decent and some are not, so your actions will really depend on the decency of your employer.
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100% and the worst part of this is some of the companies you'd expect to be ridiculously strict about sickness issues don't actually give a damn.
My Mrs works for one of the big supermarket chains, not saying who but it rhymes with bainsburys, and they're meant to have a '48 hours clear' policy with regards to any absence due to sickness or the squits, but if they can get you in the very next day then they absolutely will. May differ from store to store, manager to manager, but she's worked in 4 stores and every one was the same. I'd avoid their fresh food counters like the plague.
posted on 3/4/20
Retired from PAYE employment at 33 (back in the early 90s), but must confess to being guilty of turning up when 'not well'. I was a bad corporate prostitute, slaving for the yankee dollar (to paraphrase the skids), but I always knew it was only ever a 'means end game'.
Can't change the bad, selfish, behaviour of my past (no one can) - and it was selfish, because being a corporate prostitute was only done in order to get secure enough to stop, avoid burn-out and also to actually start to enjoy life.
That's the problem. I was actually quite mild and reserved compared to some I was employed alongside. Sociopathy was rife. But not being seen to be a willing and winning slave (no matter how unwell) was not accepted. Lunch really was for wimps.
I look at society around me now and see that employee/employer relations are far more pressured - although it was already obvious back in '93 that that the way it was heading - and this current schism in our society is really going to reinforce two fundamental issues: firstly, much of what people are employed doing is either meaningless and/or insecure, but equally, the motivations for doing it are horrendous
posted on 3/4/20
I've been to America and they have a different attitude in offices to sick people. you sick get the hell out.
if you work in any gmp environment turning up sick is tantamount to a sackable offense here.
it really is employer pressure to work til you drop.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Yes, most jobs have that, and its fine, if you are dealing with someone who's taking the piiiis. But if someone has a genuine reason and it only happened once for one 6 months period because of some serious issue, dont facking apply the policy. Its common sense.
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I am forced to apply the policy. In fact HR attacked me once for not doing it.
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So you work for a diiickhead employer then. I have left 2 employers for being diiiickheads, I suggest you do the same, unless you are agreeing with the policy. Just means you have no heart.
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Yeah. I don't agree with it. Nobody does. It doesnt affect me anyhow as I don't take days off, even when sick. Last time I had a day off was about four years ago when I was bending into the car to pick up my sons bottle. Holy crap, the pain. I couldn't speaking for about two minutes.
Stayed off for a week as I was getting shooting pains from my buttcheek right up my back. Never been the same since but doesn't stop me going into work.
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Shooting pains are not contagious. I am talking about carrying a contagious disease into the office. Whatever it is, don't come to work.
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If people didn't come into work everytime they had a cold, you'd have half the workforce down throughout the year. Many companies couldn't cope with that.
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If people stopped getting into work spreading diseases less people would get sick.
posted on 3/4/20
the reality is we are currently proving that trust is the issue. when employers have no choice suddenly it's fine to work from home.
my place actively discouraged working from home and even when they got lousy results in global annual survey they kind of let it in but made efforts via hr staff to act like it was a no no
I did it once and got hr staff copying my manager and the site he manager demanding to know my hours so they could enter in system.
baffling that the are all suddenly silent these days eh?
posted on 3/4/20
I know people who work for firms who don`t give them sick pay, they only get the statutory amount which is far less than than their full wage. So they turn up for work in all kinds of states because they don`t want to lose money, spreading their germs all around their colleagues. Their company does this to stop staff abusing the sickness system if they were entitled to full pay.
Fortunately for myself, the company I work for pays my full wage, but I need a doctors note if I am off sick for more than 5 working days.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 17 minutes ago
Retired from PAYE employment at 33 (back in the early 90s), but must confess to being guilty of turning up when 'not well'. I was a bad corporate prostitute, slaving for the yankee dollar (to paraphrase the skids), but I always knew it was only ever a 'means end game'.
Can't change the bad, selfish, behaviour of my past (no one can) - and it was selfish, because being a corporate prostitute was only done in order to get secure enough to stop, avoid burn-out and also to actually start to enjoy life.
That's the problem. I was actually quite mild and reserved compared to some I was employed alongside. Sociopathy was rife. But not being seen to be a willing and winning slave (no matter how unwell) was not accepted. Lunch really was for wimps.
I look at society around me now and see that employee/employer relations are far more pressured - although it was already obvious back in '93 that that the way it was heading - and this current schism in our society is really going to reinforce two fundamental issues: firstly, much of what people are employed doing is either meaningless and/or insecure, but equally, the motivations for doing it are horrendous
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That another thing people eating at their desk. Never have never will. Take a break. No should be too busy not to have a break. If you are, you're either not managing your time or your workload is too big.
posted on 3/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
In my job, if you have three periods of absence within 6 months, you get a warning.
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Even if completely legitimate?
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