comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
Had a wee dauner down the main street today.
Mad to see all those closed business and not knowing which will manage to open up again.
Heart-breaking for the small business owner.
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Exactly
The damage is right in front of us day by day. Many won't reopen.
Don't even think about looking around a business park. Just so depressing.
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Agreed mate. Only two cars there at 10pm last night.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
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One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
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You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
comment by rats juice a big perry baps nat ❤️ (U6393)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Ginger
There's a balance here between economics and health and I understand the point you're making.
But it hinges on us returning to the same economic model that has been in place for a century or so.
The question now is - can we replace that model with something else? Something fairer, something more equitable and something that can make lives better for everyone.
I don't think returning to the status quo is acceptable now and it's a golden opportunity for change.
Sadly I don't trust the UK government to grasp that nettle, but I think some governments around the globe will. Even the Spanish are embracing Universal Income.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just never going to happen. Greed will always be there, just perhaps it will come under a different name.
It’s a part of human nature and it will never go away, especially when this government is full of asset stripping disaster capitalists and hedge funding types.
We also have guys like Trump in power FFS. This guy needs popped. He’s very rapidly turning into a dictator as well as being an utterly abhorrent creature. Then there’s the US, which was founded on an elitist oligarchy, etc.
Nice idea Ivan but it ain’t ever gonna happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not only greed but also pure selfishness. The haves in this world not only do not want to share but they also want to be in a position whereby they can make sure that their children are thrust into the same privileged position through private schools etc. Bezos from Amazon has increased his personal wealth by over $6 billion since this started! Look at the hedge fund the Rees Mogg started as well, they are giving their customers tips on how to make fortunes from this tragedy by buying up the cheap stock and waiting until it rises to sell on and make a fortune! Think what all that money could be used for now instead of sitting in the personal banks of some rich imperialist who sits in his gilded cage waving farewell to their children whilst they are taking to their private schools in their chauffeur driven bentleys, it is fooking sick! I don't agree that it won't change though, it must change and the one good thing about social media is that it brings all the lone voices together into one big loud voice. Lets get rid of the selfish and greedy and replace them with the charitable and caring.
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 5 minutes ago
I work a shift a week in a care home for kids
---
Please tell me you're posting from there.
I swear, the number of times I've accidentally had ja606 up on my screen in the classroom. Luckily my students tend not to speak English that well.
Teacher, what means "stranglevvank"?
I'll show you later, Manuel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Peter knows full well what that is.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
Is firms needed an excuse to dispose of work shy trouble makers they have it in their lap. Except they’ll all get jobs with the council. Guy on yesterday saying they had 40% absenteeism in their refuse collectors. WTF?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are definitely some at it.
Essentially guaranteed being paid up until the end of May and even if lockdown was lifted to morrow you know for a fact they just won't turn up
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
Had a wee dauner down the main street today.
Mad to see all those closed business and not knowing which will manage to open up again.
Heart-breaking for the small business owner.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
The damage is right in front of us day by day. Many won't reopen.
Don't even think about looking around a business park. Just so depressing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed mate. Only two cars there at 10pm last night.
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And one of them was a learner.
How do you know?
He still had the air con running keeping the windows clear.
Can’t open the windows.
Lets all the stank out.
3 games ban for the Copenhagen boy
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5494392/copenhagen-santos-celtic-park/
Christ, that seems like a lifetime ago.
No offence, Rangers.
https://news.stv.tv/sport/football/spfl-says-football-wont-return-until-august-at-earliest?top&&__twitter_impression=true
I wouldn't even use it on forms etc
just on friends and family
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 11 minutes ago
i really dislike piers morgan becaucse I find he is more likely to attack people than defend them.
however, while it pains me to say it, throughout this he has been very vocal about the failings of the government and i'm struggling to argue with his views on it.
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Came to on say that very thing. Obviously he’s a cvnt and agreeing with him is kind of like when you accidentally see a little too much up a bag-lady’s skirt on the street and find yourself wondering if the smell would be worth the ride, but still.
The bigger question is:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/jacinda-ardern-and-ministers-take-20-pay-cut-in-solidarity-with-those-hit-by-covid-19
Jacinda. Would/would not bang?
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Would, but she'd have to be gagged.
That fckn accent man.
she'd have to be gagged
---------------------------------
New Zealand accent is the worst in the world.
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
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One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
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You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
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Make that your JA name.
comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
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Make that your JA name.
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Might annoy a few
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Make that your JA name.
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Might annoy a few
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It certainly will Sir
Any chance he'll lead the first expedition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52228423
Dundee statement:
‘ Good afternoon Dundee fans. I hope this statement continues to find you safe and healthy as we continue to be quarantined in our fight against the Covid-19 virus. The past week has been fraught with anxiety, vitriol, conspiracy theory, and of course a far ranging amount of media conjecture and commentary. Below is a brief enlightenment of our thoughts and processes over the past week.
Impact of the SPFL resolution: Relegated clubs were negatively impacted in two substantial ways: the lost opportunity to avoid relegation, and the lost opportunity for financial support. As we previously stated, the end of the season due to the COVID-19 epidemic should not result in any club being worse off than they were prior to vote. In our opinion the SPFL’s “solution” for the league was not a solution for all teams in the league. Knowing that most teams desperately needed cash flow before the end of April, the quickest and easiest way for the SPFL to achieve that was this proposal; however, the result was immediate inequity, and mid-to long-term instability. Understandably, that was the driving factor for a ‘yes’ vote from many clubs. Outside of clubs receiving an injection of immediate cash, this was unacceptable to us as we feel the actions of the league should be representative of all its members; detrimental impact to one club is ultimately detrimental to all clubs. Furthermore, the proposal left little prospect for league reconstruction, another significant aspect of long-term sustainability for Scottish Football. Whilst the lockdown has resulted in tremendous hardship for the country, one opportunity it has presented, in Dundee FC’s point of view, is the restructuring of the league.
Dundee FC’s vote: Because of the situation detailed above, it was our intention (as the world has seen through the disappointing and regrettable actions of two championship clubs) to vote ‘no’ on the proposed resolution. Despite being electronically submitted, for whatever reason, our vote did not reach the centre (SPFL.) We were not aware of that, however, until the SPFL published the ‘results’ of an incomplete vote and it was shown that Dundee FC’s vote was not received. This raised an immediate red flag for us; not only was our vote missing, but we discovered that at least two Premiership clubs had modified their position from the understanding we had the day prior. It was then that we decided to put our foot on the ball and pause. We conveyed that decision to the centre and ceased taking calls on the subject. We needed time to develop a clearer DFC view on the situation.
Whilst it is not our responsibility to take the lead on solutions for the league (indeed, we believe this is the role of the SPFL), it is our duty to attempt to ensure that the future of Scottish Football remains promising for all the clubs. To that end, we have we have worked tirelessly to achieve solutions to help those who were being disadvantaged and sought ways to help them. We have discussed options with a variety of member clubs to show solidarity to the clubs most negatively impacted by the SPFL proposal. Relegated clubs must have financial assistance to help soften the landing so they can begin the next season on more equitable footing. Through our discussions it appears that there is an appetite to provide various forms of support from other member clubs if these clubs are in fact relegated. Further details of these acts of kindness and solidarity will be worked out amongst the member clubs. Also, we are sorry to disappoint all of the conspiracy theorists by saying that we were never exposed to any ‘deals’ from either of the Glasgow giants. They both acted, as we would expect, with complete professionalism.
Additionally and most importantly for Dundee FC, we spoke to other member clubs regarding their appetite for reconstruction, as the SPFL’s briefing notes does not give us much of a chance and this is the only aspect of any proposal that helps Dundee FC in any way. There are several things that have to be in place in order to deliver a proper opportunity of achieving a better foundation for Scottish Football’s future. First, a working group should be assembled and must have members from the highest levels of Scottish Football with long-term interest in the future success of the game. We need to agree a set of goals that will be the basis of reconstruction which takes into account current and future wants and needs of media; member clubs’ financial benefits; and sporting integrity as a basis. It is our belief that after speaking to numerous clubs that the appetite for reconstruction is there and the intention is to set up an immediate and focused working group to take on this task. The centre will have to accept and support the will of the members.
We do believe the centre has made mistakes in this process, namely not taking into consideration any financial fallout to their member clubs and publishing of the incomplete ballot results, which has put Dundee FC in a position to receive criticism and undue torment. If what we achieved in our pause was presented by the SPFL in the first instance we would have voted in favour of the proposal.
We would like to thank the fans for their patience, and most of the member clubs for their cooperation and support during this time. Make no mistake, we continue to have a daunting task ahead of us, but we are encouraged by everyday acts of kindness, resolution, and humanity that we are all sharing as we get through this together. Stay safe and hope we see you soon in a newly revamped league.’
mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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At a guess I'd go Hamilton and Ross County. I'd put them as being most likely to favour league construction
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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At a guess I'd go Hamilton and Ross County. I'd put them as being most likely to favour league construction
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Dundee are talking about the original vote though so they must have been expecting 4 premier teams to vote no?
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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At a guess I'd go Hamilton and Ross County. I'd put them as being most likely to favour league construction
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Dundee are talking about the original vote though so they must have been expecting 4 premier teams to vote no?
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Yeah and I think basically all clubs discussed their position amongst themselves and wanted a strategy. It then fell to bits.
But the statement does read like Dundee are getting a vote on something no one else was offered.
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posted on 15/4/20
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
Had a wee dauner down the main street today.
Mad to see all those closed business and not knowing which will manage to open up again.
Heart-breaking for the small business owner.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
The damage is right in front of us day by day. Many won't reopen.
Don't even think about looking around a business park. Just so depressing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed mate. Only two cars there at 10pm last night.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by rats juice a big perry baps nat ❤️ (U6393)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Ginger
There's a balance here between economics and health and I understand the point you're making.
But it hinges on us returning to the same economic model that has been in place for a century or so.
The question now is - can we replace that model with something else? Something fairer, something more equitable and something that can make lives better for everyone.
I don't think returning to the status quo is acceptable now and it's a golden opportunity for change.
Sadly I don't trust the UK government to grasp that nettle, but I think some governments around the globe will. Even the Spanish are embracing Universal Income.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just never going to happen. Greed will always be there, just perhaps it will come under a different name.
It’s a part of human nature and it will never go away, especially when this government is full of asset stripping disaster capitalists and hedge funding types.
We also have guys like Trump in power FFS. This guy needs popped. He’s very rapidly turning into a dictator as well as being an utterly abhorrent creature. Then there’s the US, which was founded on an elitist oligarchy, etc.
Nice idea Ivan but it ain’t ever gonna happen.
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Its not only greed but also pure selfishness. The haves in this world not only do not want to share but they also want to be in a position whereby they can make sure that their children are thrust into the same privileged position through private schools etc. Bezos from Amazon has increased his personal wealth by over $6 billion since this started! Look at the hedge fund the Rees Mogg started as well, they are giving their customers tips on how to make fortunes from this tragedy by buying up the cheap stock and waiting until it rises to sell on and make a fortune! Think what all that money could be used for now instead of sitting in the personal banks of some rich imperialist who sits in his gilded cage waving farewell to their children whilst they are taking to their private schools in their chauffeur driven bentleys, it is fooking sick! I don't agree that it won't change though, it must change and the one good thing about social media is that it brings all the lone voices together into one big loud voice. Lets get rid of the selfish and greedy and replace them with the charitable and caring.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 5 minutes ago
I work a shift a week in a care home for kids
---
Please tell me you're posting from there.
I swear, the number of times I've accidentally had ja606 up on my screen in the classroom. Luckily my students tend not to speak English that well.
Teacher, what means "stranglevvank"?
I'll show you later, Manuel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Peter knows full well what that is.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
Is firms needed an excuse to dispose of work shy trouble makers they have it in their lap. Except they’ll all get jobs with the council. Guy on yesterday saying they had 40% absenteeism in their refuse collectors. WTF?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are definitely some at it.
Essentially guaranteed being paid up until the end of May and even if lockdown was lifted to morrow you know for a fact they just won't turn up
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
Had a wee dauner down the main street today.
Mad to see all those closed business and not knowing which will manage to open up again.
Heart-breaking for the small business owner.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
The damage is right in front of us day by day. Many won't reopen.
Don't even think about looking around a business park. Just so depressing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed mate. Only two cars there at 10pm last night.
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And one of them was a learner.
How do you know?
He still had the air con running keeping the windows clear.
posted on 15/4/20
Can’t open the windows.
Lets all the stank out.
posted on 15/4/20
3 games ban for the Copenhagen boy
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5494392/copenhagen-santos-celtic-park/
posted on 15/4/20
Christ, that seems like a lifetime ago.
No offence, Rangers.
posted on 15/4/20
https://news.stv.tv/sport/football/spfl-says-football-wont-return-until-august-at-earliest?top&&__twitter_impression=true
posted on 15/4/20
I wouldn't even use it on forms etc
just on friends and family
posted on 15/4/20
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 11 minutes ago
i really dislike piers morgan becaucse I find he is more likely to attack people than defend them.
however, while it pains me to say it, throughout this he has been very vocal about the failings of the government and i'm struggling to argue with his views on it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Came to on say that very thing. Obviously he’s a cvnt and agreeing with him is kind of like when you accidentally see a little too much up a bag-lady’s skirt on the street and find yourself wondering if the smell would be worth the ride, but still.
The bigger question is:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/jacinda-ardern-and-ministers-take-20-pay-cut-in-solidarity-with-those-hit-by-covid-19
Jacinda. Would/would not bang?
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Would, but she'd have to be gagged.
That fckn accent man.
posted on 15/4/20
she'd have to be gagged
---------------------------------
posted on 15/4/20
New Zealand accent is the worst in the world.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Make that your JA name.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Make that your JA name.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Might annoy a few
posted on 15/4/20
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by New Magnum. The Mild Drover (U16400)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 minutes ago
I want to go back and do my masters, I work a shift a week in a care home for kids as wellso I could prob pick up more hours there to help cover the loss of earnings,
after that, maybe go for my doctorate so I can correct people when they say "Mr JFK"
"no no, Dr JFK"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of my b-i-l s is a professor. Insists on using that when booking restaurants and stuff. Heavy cringe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say that but one of my US colleagues decided to start calling me Sir Magnum and booking restaurants l, etc under it.
Got us two grear days at archerfield last summer. Sent the car down to pick us up from the rooms. All tgat nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Make that your JA name.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Might annoy a few
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It certainly will Sir
posted on 15/4/20
Any chance he'll lead the first expedition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52228423
posted on 15/4/20
Dundee statement:
‘ Good afternoon Dundee fans. I hope this statement continues to find you safe and healthy as we continue to be quarantined in our fight against the Covid-19 virus. The past week has been fraught with anxiety, vitriol, conspiracy theory, and of course a far ranging amount of media conjecture and commentary. Below is a brief enlightenment of our thoughts and processes over the past week.
Impact of the SPFL resolution: Relegated clubs were negatively impacted in two substantial ways: the lost opportunity to avoid relegation, and the lost opportunity for financial support. As we previously stated, the end of the season due to the COVID-19 epidemic should not result in any club being worse off than they were prior to vote. In our opinion the SPFL’s “solution” for the league was not a solution for all teams in the league. Knowing that most teams desperately needed cash flow before the end of April, the quickest and easiest way for the SPFL to achieve that was this proposal; however, the result was immediate inequity, and mid-to long-term instability. Understandably, that was the driving factor for a ‘yes’ vote from many clubs. Outside of clubs receiving an injection of immediate cash, this was unacceptable to us as we feel the actions of the league should be representative of all its members; detrimental impact to one club is ultimately detrimental to all clubs. Furthermore, the proposal left little prospect for league reconstruction, another significant aspect of long-term sustainability for Scottish Football. Whilst the lockdown has resulted in tremendous hardship for the country, one opportunity it has presented, in Dundee FC’s point of view, is the restructuring of the league.
Dundee FC’s vote: Because of the situation detailed above, it was our intention (as the world has seen through the disappointing and regrettable actions of two championship clubs) to vote ‘no’ on the proposed resolution. Despite being electronically submitted, for whatever reason, our vote did not reach the centre (SPFL.) We were not aware of that, however, until the SPFL published the ‘results’ of an incomplete vote and it was shown that Dundee FC’s vote was not received. This raised an immediate red flag for us; not only was our vote missing, but we discovered that at least two Premiership clubs had modified their position from the understanding we had the day prior. It was then that we decided to put our foot on the ball and pause. We conveyed that decision to the centre and ceased taking calls on the subject. We needed time to develop a clearer DFC view on the situation.
Whilst it is not our responsibility to take the lead on solutions for the league (indeed, we believe this is the role of the SPFL), it is our duty to attempt to ensure that the future of Scottish Football remains promising for all the clubs. To that end, we have we have worked tirelessly to achieve solutions to help those who were being disadvantaged and sought ways to help them. We have discussed options with a variety of member clubs to show solidarity to the clubs most negatively impacted by the SPFL proposal. Relegated clubs must have financial assistance to help soften the landing so they can begin the next season on more equitable footing. Through our discussions it appears that there is an appetite to provide various forms of support from other member clubs if these clubs are in fact relegated. Further details of these acts of kindness and solidarity will be worked out amongst the member clubs. Also, we are sorry to disappoint all of the conspiracy theorists by saying that we were never exposed to any ‘deals’ from either of the Glasgow giants. They both acted, as we would expect, with complete professionalism.
Additionally and most importantly for Dundee FC, we spoke to other member clubs regarding their appetite for reconstruction, as the SPFL’s briefing notes does not give us much of a chance and this is the only aspect of any proposal that helps Dundee FC in any way. There are several things that have to be in place in order to deliver a proper opportunity of achieving a better foundation for Scottish Football’s future. First, a working group should be assembled and must have members from the highest levels of Scottish Football with long-term interest in the future success of the game. We need to agree a set of goals that will be the basis of reconstruction which takes into account current and future wants and needs of media; member clubs’ financial benefits; and sporting integrity as a basis. It is our belief that after speaking to numerous clubs that the appetite for reconstruction is there and the intention is to set up an immediate and focused working group to take on this task. The centre will have to accept and support the will of the members.
We do believe the centre has made mistakes in this process, namely not taking into consideration any financial fallout to their member clubs and publishing of the incomplete ballot results, which has put Dundee FC in a position to receive criticism and undue torment. If what we achieved in our pause was presented by the SPFL in the first instance we would have voted in favour of the proposal.
We would like to thank the fans for their patience, and most of the member clubs for their cooperation and support during this time. Make no mistake, we continue to have a daunting task ahead of us, but we are encouraged by everyday acts of kindness, resolution, and humanity that we are all sharing as we get through this together. Stay safe and hope we see you soon in a newly revamped league.’
posted on 15/4/20
mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
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mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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At a guess I'd go Hamilton and Ross County. I'd put them as being most likely to favour league construction
posted on 15/4/20
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comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
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mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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At a guess I'd go Hamilton and Ross County. I'd put them as being most likely to favour league construction
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Dundee are talking about the original vote though so they must have been expecting 4 premier teams to vote no?
posted on 15/4/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
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comment by Miller (U9310)
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comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
mental, who were the 2 premier clubs? thers a new question to chuck in there
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At a guess I'd go Hamilton and Ross County. I'd put them as being most likely to favour league construction
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Dundee are talking about the original vote though so they must have been expecting 4 premier teams to vote no?
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Yeah and I think basically all clubs discussed their position amongst themselves and wanted a strategy. It then fell to bits.
But the statement does read like Dundee are getting a vote on something no one else was offered.
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