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A lot of bias lists here, so I felt the need to add an unbiased 10 to the thread.

Vieira
Keane
Scholes
Gerrard
Lampard
De Bruyne
Makelele
Kante
Gilberto
Petit

I agree with DJ. a lot of bias lists here.

Batty
Mcallister
Haaland
Bakke
Dacourt
Smith
Bowyer
Milner
Delph
L Cook

comment by Lubo - Super Cooper! (U14008)
posted 27 minutes ago
I agree with DJ. a lot of bias lists here.

Batty
Mcallister
Haaland
Bakke
Dacourt
Smith
Bowyer
Milner
Delph
L Cook
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No Speed?

Gerrard was a top player but you can’t call him the best in the PL for 2 reasons imo.

1. He never won it
2. Rafa had to move him to RW and number 10 because he felt he didn’t have to discipline to play in a midfield 2.

My list would be:
1) Scholes
2) Viera
3) Keane
4) Lampard
5) Gerrard
6) Yaya
7) Cesc
8) Fernandinho
9) Kante
10) Makelele

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
Gerrard was a top player but you can’t call him the best in the PL for 2 reasons imo.

1. He never won it
2. Rafa had to move him to RW and number 10 because he felt he didn’t have to discipline to play in a midfield 2.
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1. Players don't win leagues. Teams do. If Gerrard played for United, he'd have won the league.

2. This one is the biggest load of nonsense. Gerrard was moved to the right for one season(Scholes was moved to the left, up front, to the right, behind the striker also, if you remember, nothing to do with discipline but a reference to point one, team) as we were struggling for goals. He both scored and assisted a load of goals, which proved to be the correct decision. Then he was moved behind Torres, where again he scored a load and assisted a load. He could have been a world class right back also, no matter where he played, he was outstanding.

When he played as a box to box, this is where he was best, however he was moved to where the team needed him, as he was such a great player who could do everything, it worked. This myth is up there with Scholes retiring from international duty due to playing on the left, which only happened around 9 times and which he stated he enjoyed, having enjoyed his best goalscoring season for United, from that position.

You can't just make up reasons players where moved to a position but to suggest one of the best players in the world in his position was moved from that position due to discipline issues, is frankly ridiculous. He had just received third place in the Balon D'or from that position, the highest he rated in it.

Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.

Gerrard was a top player but you can’t call him the best in the PL for 2 reasons imo.

1. He never won it
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 minutes ago
Gerrard was a top player but you can’t call him the best in the PL for 2 reasons imo.

1. He never won it
2. Rafa had to move him to RW and number 10 because he felt he didn’t have to discipline to play in a midfield 2.
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1. Players don't win leagues. Teams do. If Gerrard played for United, he'd have won the league.

2. This one is the biggest load of nonsense. Gerrard was moved to the right for one season(Scholes was moved to the left, up front, to the right, behind the striker also, if you remember, nothing to do with discipline but a reference to point one, team) as we were struggling for goals. He both scored and assisted a load of goals, which proved to be the correct decision. Then he was moved behind Torres, where again he scored a load and assisted a load. He could have been a world class right back also, no matter where he played, he was outstanding.

When he played as a box to box, this is where he was best, however he was moved to where the team needed him, as he was such a great player who could do everything, it worked. This myth is up there with Scholes retiring from international duty due to playing on the left, which only happened around 9 times and which he stated he enjoyed, having enjoyed his best goalscoring season for United, from that position.

You can't just make up reasons players where moved to a position but to suggest one of the best players in the world in his position was moved from that position due to discipline issues, is frankly ridiculous. He had just received third place in the Balon D'or from that position, the highest he rated in it.
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We also had Mascherano and Alonso who had enough quality to play in the middle and had chemistry as a pair who freed Gerrard to wreak havoc. Was a great decision by Rafa

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.
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Another myth. Although he thrived on personal glory, and let’s face it, all the great sportsmen do otherwise they wouldn’t achieve the peak, the way he took games by the scruff of the neck and won so many games virtually singlehandedly, just makes it look like he’s doing it for himself. If he was only about personal glory he wouldn’t have stayed at Liverpool his whole career.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.
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Another myth. Although he thrived on personal glory, and let’s face it, all the great sportsmen do otherwise they wouldn’t achieve the peak, the way he took games by the scruff of the neck and won so many games virtually singlehandedly, just makes it look like he’s doing it for himself. If he was only about personal glory he wouldn’t have stayed at Liverpool his whole career.
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Exactly. They'll say anything, as they can't use his actual ability.

Keane
Gerrard
Viera
Scholes
Lampard
De-Bruyne
Kante
Toure
Silva
Fabregas

Alonso, Essien, McAllister, Eriksen, Modric, Makelele just miss out.

Scholes
Beckham
Keane
Carrick
Fred
Rooney
Matic
Fellaini
Rooney
Janujaz

Vieira
Keane
Scholes
Fàbregas
Lampard
Silva
Gerrard
Modric
Xabi Alonso
Toure

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.
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Another myth. Although he thrived on personal glory, and let’s face it, all the great sportsmen do otherwise they wouldn’t achieve the peak, the way he took games by the scruff of the neck and won so many games virtually singlehandedly, just makes it look like he’s doing it for himself. If he was only about personal glory he wouldn’t have stayed at Liverpool his whole career.
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Exactly. They'll say anything, as they can't use his actual ability.
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Well the discussion is best CMs. Yet you highlight his amazing form in 08/09 to back up your argument, when he was effectively playing as a second striker

I’ve only seen once person list Petit and Gilberto in their Top 10.

Gilberto Silva, in particular, is criminally underrated.

1) Lampard
2) Vieira
3) Yaya
4) Petit
5) Fabregas
6) Kante
7) Keane
8) Scholes
9) Gerrard
10) Gilberto

comment by Sayid Jarrah (U18355)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.
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Another myth. Although he thrived on personal glory, and let’s face it, all the great sportsmen do otherwise they wouldn’t achieve the peak, the way he took games by the scruff of the neck and won so many games virtually singlehandedly, just makes it look like he’s doing it for himself. If he was only about personal glory he wouldn’t have stayed at Liverpool his whole career.
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Exactly. They'll say anything, as they can't use his actual ability.
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Well the discussion is best CMs. Yet you highlight his amazing form in 08/09 to back up your argument, when he was effectively playing as a second striker
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Well no, that point was made to counter the myth that Gerrard was moved because he lacked discipline, rather than the fact he was good enough to play any position.

Why are people putting modric in?

Good player while he was here, but top 10? Really?

comment by Tu Meke - He'sGotRedHair! (U3732)
posted 14 seconds ago
Why are people putting modric in?

Good player while he was here, but top 10? Really?
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That’s true, definitely should be on there. Swap him for carrick

comment by Sayid Jarrah (U18355)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.
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Another myth. Although he thrived on personal glory, and let’s face it, all the great sportsmen do otherwise they wouldn’t achieve the peak, the way he took games by the scruff of the neck and won so many games virtually singlehandedly, just makes it look like he’s doing it for himself. If he was only about personal glory he wouldn’t have stayed at Liverpool his whole career.
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Exactly. They'll say anything, as they can't use his actual ability.
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Well the discussion is best CMs. Yet you highlight his amazing form in 08/09 to back up your argument, when he was effectively playing as a second striker
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What on earth are you talking about? Do you have a problem with reading? I never used 08/09 to back up any argument. Somebody gave their opinion that Gerrard was moved from central midfield and I explained the actual reason. You've completely made that up. What a bizarre comment.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.
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Another myth. Although he thrived on personal glory, and let’s face it, all the great sportsmen do otherwise they wouldn’t achieve the peak, the way he took games by the scruff of the neck and won so many games virtually singlehandedly, just makes it look like he’s doing it for himself. If he was only about personal glory he wouldn’t have stayed at Liverpool his whole career.
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Well, he did want to join Chelsea before death threats convinced him otherwise, let's not pretend he chose Liverpool by choice...

1. Vieira
2. Keane
3. Gerrard/Lampard
4. Gerrard/Lampard
5. Scholes
6. Toure
7. D. Silva
8. Kante
9. Petit
10. G. Silva

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Stevie was all about the individual glory, never about the team. I'm confident England would have done better in 2006 and 2010 if they'd had someone playing alongside Lampard who actually complimented his style instead of playing Gerrard who was more focused on scoring goals than actually playing for the team.
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Another myth. Although he thrived on personal glory, and let’s face it, all the great sportsmen do otherwise they wouldn’t achieve the peak, the way he took games by the scruff of the neck and won so many games virtually singlehandedly, just makes it look like he’s doing it for himself. If he was only about personal glory he wouldn’t have stayed at Liverpool his whole career.
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Well, he did want to join Chelsea before death threats convinced him otherwise, let's not pretend he chose Liverpool by choice...
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Well no, death threats did not convince him otherwise.

What is this, mythbusters? FFS.