Does anyone actually recall the prelude to the vote all we heard was clubs are screaming for money we need to do something
they did
and remember "they" are the clubs

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
i think the vote was amatuerish.

i dont think there was anything underhand about it, i just think it was ridiculously handled with the deadline
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This is my take on it too.

It was indicative of Scottish football for the past 30+ years. A poorly thought out short term idea that was poorly executed.

Ultimately the idea behind the vote was perfectly reasonable.

The issues for me are:

Releasing the vote results when it wasn't already finalised.

Not making the timeline for clubs to decide, crystal clear.

The Dundee email fiasco but that to be fair, appeared out of their hands due to the IT system.

comment by justanotherscotscelt (U20407)
posted 14 seconds ago
It turned out amateurish , dont think the dundee drama was expected
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True. Had the vote gone smoothly

a) would we be in a fresh turmoil because the proposal had been rejected and clubs would not get their money?

b) would Rangers still have 'received' this whistlblower stuff? ('received' because I think it is Robertson)

c) would they still have called for resignations as they had 'won' their case albeit maybe temporarily? (I mentioned this the other day - in this instance all 3 of PT, ICT & Dundee were all, always in the position of being kingmakers - not just Dundee.)

Rangers must know the longer they leave it and then come out with a damp squib they are going to look ridiculous to all of scottish football.
Maybe as silver said the lawyers are going over it making sure it is watertight.
Doncaster on the radio said they have been no bullying of certain clubs.
When interview finished tom english said he recieved 2 texts from clubs accusing the spfl of bullying.
What is certain is someone is telling fibs

Its classic deflection tactics by Rangers. Their manager is a failure, they've tried to hoodwink their fans with a refund that isn't, their team has imploded, their so-called prize asset's value has fallen like a stone. So they've come up with a bullsh!t plot to appease the WATP mob.

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a set deadline but if u could have them in for five that would be good.

just left themselves wide open to controversy

Again juke that argument falls down at the first hurdle, the board is the clubs , and the executive do what the clubs want (the majority) would place a hefty bet on any issue raised by a club ever in 90% of the cases they voted in favour at the start of the season what they are griping about

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
Ultimately the idea behind the vote was perfectly reasonable.

The issues for me are:

Releasing the vote results when it wasn't already finalised.

Not making the timeline for clubs to decide, crystal clear.

The Dundee email fiasco but that to be fair, appeared out of their hands due to the IT system.

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I asked this before - is it really what happened or did ICT and / or others brief journalists prior to Doncaster saying anything? IIRC there were plenty rumours on twitter before the official statement.

I don’t think anyone disagrees that the vote wasn’t handled very well. How badly you want to see that seems to depend on your team, apparently.

I don’t think there’s a need for an independent, forensic investigation because I don’t think anything approaching any serious level of corruption, or anything like the allegations of bullying and coercion that were first shouted about.

I think they genuinely felt that the option they put forward in the resolution was the correct one, and will probably prove that in the coming weeks. But, it wasn’t handled very well and a review of what went on and the process to arrive at that outcome probably needs looked at to make sure it’s refined and doesn’t cause the same consternation it did.

We seem to think it could only happen in our country, yet there’s a number of Dutch clubs getting ready to go to court with their administrators, there’s a couple of french clubs kicking up a stink as well. The EPL are trying everything to shoehorn the end of their season in, and their clubs are suggesting no relegation if they do!

As for the allegations that are kicking about-the most serious that can be backed up to any degree is the one about bullying from the WhatsApp messages-and that was the Dunfermline guy that was alleged to be doing it. I think there’s been the thought that he was doing it on behalf of the SPFL because he was on the board, and that’s why they’ve ran with it. Other than that, there’s not much else.

as for rangers, its been 3/4 weeks now.

i think if it was big we would know about it by now

PS there is no whistle blower
Ok there is but its Stuart Robinson haha

comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rangers must know the longer they leave it and then come out with a damp squib they are going to look ridiculous to all of scottish football.
Maybe as silver said the lawyers are going over it making sure it is watertight.
Doncaster on the radio said they have been no bullying of certain clubs.
When interview finished tom english said he recieved 2 texts from clubs accusing the spfl of bullying.
What is certain is someone is telling fibs
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Doncaster was very careful with his wording. There was no bullying from him or any of the SPFL staff. If clubs were having a dig at each other, then that’s a different story.

Both could be telling the truth.

My suspicions are it will be somebody making some personal remark in the SPFL office. Along the lines of what McLennan is alleged to have said years ago when he was a newspaper guy?

Is it really a whistle blower though

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
Ultimately the idea behind the vote was perfectly reasonable.

The issues for me are:

Releasing the vote results when it wasn't already finalised.

Not making the timeline for clubs to decide, crystal clear.

The Dundee email fiasco but that to be fair, appeared out of their hands due to the IT system.

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I asked this before - is it really what happened or did ICT and / or others brief journalists prior to Doncaster saying anything? IIRC there were plenty rumours on twitter before the official statement.
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I think the ICT guy is the ‘whistleblower’.

Na cant be silver thats just bonkers.
Besides rubbish him all you want but Doncaster is good at what he does , doubt he has ever farted at the wrong time on record

Dont think anyone does not agree the way the vote panned out was poor( that said the media made it so by their response to such)
Nothing was illegal though !!!!
Releasing and inderminate vote is not illeagal

comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don’t think anyone disagrees that the vote wasn’t handled very well. How badly you want to see that seems to depend on your team, apparently.

I don’t think there’s a need for an independent, forensic investigation because I don’t think anything approaching any serious level of corruption, or anything like the allegations of bullying and coercion that were first shouted about.

I think they genuinely felt that the option they put forward in the resolution was the correct one, and will probably prove that in the coming weeks. But, it wasn’t handled very well and a review of what went on and the process to arrive at that outcome probably needs looked at to make sure it’s refined and doesn’t cause the same consternation it did.

We seem to think it could only happen in our country, yet there’s a number of Dutch clubs getting ready to go to court with their administrators, there’s a couple of french clubs kicking up a stink as well. The EPL are trying everything to shoehorn the end of their season in, and their clubs are suggesting no relegation if they do!

As for the allegations that are kicking about-the most serious that can be backed up to any degree is the one about bullying from the WhatsApp messages-and that was the Dunfermline guy that was alleged to be doing it. I think there’s been the thought that he was doing it on behalf of the SPFL because he was on the board, and that’s why they’ve ran with it. Other than that, there’s not much else.
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Just to clarify-I don’t think there’s a need for an investigation based on what’s already been made public. If rangers have something more devastating, then absolutely.

If they’re not happy that the 6 solutions weren’t investigated properly before coming to the conclusion that the 1 that was put before the resolution was the right one, then I don’t know where we go. That decision was made by the board of the SPFL. They’re going to have to show that Doncaster and McKenzie were really acting out of complete self interest, or deliberately lied then I don’t know where we go.

Ach well, this dossier stuff has kept this site going for a while, in the absence of football. Every cloud eh?

One point doncaster has made a few times stands up. Not single practical and more importantly potentially not illegal alternative option than what was put to the vote has been suggested by anyone

Rangers are

either taking time to ensure all evidence is correct and presented properly.

Or they don't have enough and are stalling.

The choice for fans will be primarily made based on which team they think are the bestest

rangers came out all guns blazing on this, demanding suspensions etc.

for their own credibility, they need to have something good.

I think it's been covered already but likely the smoking gun Rangers thought they had has been explained or debunked.

They won't want to just drop it or look daft so will release a carefully worded statement blaming no specific individual or company but continue to allude to wrongdoing then let it blow over