comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
No you wouldn’t lol wtf you on about. Try conceding only 15 goals with paulo ferreria at rb lol.
liverpool have the best team in the world so people acting like vvd is doing it in some budget team but other teams were doing it in some outlandish solid teams that didn’t concede goals is ridiculous.
Terry, Rio, kolo and Campbell for a few years all played a similar or higher levels for longer.
It’s just the Liverpool media bias in response to Liverpool having a poor defence previously and their continued improvement under Klopp seems to be skewing people’s minds.
Liverpool fans will tell you they have the best lb, rb and gk in the world but then claim that vvd does it on his own and that people like terry and Rio only done it because they were in great defences
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I don't think anybody acted like Liverpool have a budget team. All I said was that VVD is the best defender of the PL era, as I think he is the best, taking his individual talent into consideration. He's as good as every defender, if not better, on the list of best PL defenders, when you think of their best attribute. He's more rounded than every player, with no weaknesses, that I can see.

Haven't seen anybody suggest VVD done it on his own, or that Terry and Ferdinand only did it because they were in great teams.

You appear to have made a load of stuff up here.

"that I can see"

There's your problem.

He's as good as every defender, if not better, on the list of best PL defenders
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Nope, still not as good in terms of ability as peak Terry and Ferdinand definitely. Vidic at his best was better too. He's probably equalish to peak Kompany. Can't speak for players in 90s/early 2000s too.

If we define terry and ferdinand are 100, I'd say Vidic is 90 and Van Dijk is somewhere between 85 and 89 inclusive.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
No you wouldn’t lol wtf you on about. Try conceding only 15 goals with paulo ferreria at rb lol.
liverpool have the best team in the world so people acting like vvd is doing it in some budget team but other teams were doing it in some outlandish solid teams that didn’t concede goals is ridiculous.
Terry, Rio, kolo and Campbell for a few years all played a similar or higher levels for longer.
It’s just the Liverpool media bias in response to Liverpool having a poor defence previously and their continued improvement under Klopp seems to be skewing people’s minds.
Liverpool fans will tell you they have the best lb, rb and gk in the world but then claim that vvd does it on his own and that people like terry and Rio only done it because they were in great defences
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I don't think anybody acted like Liverpool have a budget team. All I said was that VVD is the best defender of the PL era, as I think he is the best, taking his individual talent into consideration. He's as good as every defender, if not better, on the list of best PL defenders, when you think of their best attribute. He's more rounded than every player, with no weaknesses, that I can see.

Haven't seen anybody suggest VVD done it on his own, or that Terry and Ferdinand only did it because they were in great teams.

You appear to have made a load of stuff up here.
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Not made up at all, people have previously cited that Chelsea were defensive or that he struggled for avb, totally disregarding the team as a whole thst struggled and because he slipped once after a poor pass that van persie scored against us. To say vvd is better rounded is ridiculous. To say he’s better in the air is ridiculous. Better with ball at his feet than terry? Don’t make me laugh. Terry scored more too and played in a generation of other great cbs. Van dijk stands out for now as there are no other decent cbs about.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
No you wouldn’t lol wtf you on about. Try conceding only 15 goals with paulo ferreria at rb lol.
liverpool have the best team in the world so people acting like vvd is doing it in some budget team but other teams were doing it in some outlandish solid teams that didn’t concede goals is ridiculous.
Terry, Rio, kolo and Campbell for a few years all played a similar or higher levels for longer.
It’s just the Liverpool media bias in response to Liverpool having a poor defence previously and their continued improvement under Klopp seems to be skewing people’s minds.
Liverpool fans will tell you they have the best lb, rb and gk in the world but then claim that vvd does it on his own and that people like terry and Rio only done it because they were in great defences
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I don't think anybody acted like Liverpool have a budget team. All I said was that VVD is the best defender of the PL era, as I think he is the best, taking his individual talent into consideration. He's as good as every defender, if not better, on the list of best PL defenders, when you think of their best attribute. He's more rounded than every player, with no weaknesses, that I can see.

Haven't seen anybody suggest VVD done it on his own, or that Terry and Ferdinand only did it because they were in great teams.

You appear to have made a load of stuff up here.
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Not made up at all, people have previously cited that Chelsea were defensive or that he struggled for avb, totally disregarding the team as a whole thst struggled and because he slipped once after a poor pass that van persie scored against us. To say vvd is better rounded is ridiculous. To say he’s better in the air is ridiculous. Better with ball at his feet than terry? Don’t make me laugh. Terry scored more too and played in a generation of other great cbs. Van dijk stands out for now as there are no other decent cbs about.
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Yes there is a lot of hate for Terry and that clouds peoples judgement. The same happens with Sterling now. However I always judge players on what I think of their actual talent rather than their personality.

Although if people are accusing me of bias and then you tell me Terry was better than VVD with the ball at his feet and more rounded then I'd like to see people call you biased also as they is absolute nonsense.

Then at the end you go on to do what you were whining about other people doing, trying to find reasons outside of the actual playing ability.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
Although if people are accusing me of bias and then you tell me Terry was better than VVD with the ball at his feet and more rounded then I'd like to see people call you biased also as they is absolute nonsense.

Then at the end you go on to do what you were whining about other people doing, trying to find reasons outside of the actual playing ability.
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TOOR, you can claim that you're not influenced by the effect that VVD has had on Liverpool vs the effect that Terry, Ferdinand etc. had but of course you are. We all are.

It's human nature to be affected by such things and you cannot just rule it out.

It's like claiming to walk through a supermarket and not be influenced by the positioning of the products. Whether you accept it or not, it's just a fact.

Didn't Carragher claim that Terry was better on the ball than Rio?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
Although if people are accusing me of bias and then you tell me Terry was better than VVD with the ball at his feet and more rounded then I'd like to see people call you biased also as they is absolute nonsense.

Then at the end you go on to do what you were whining about other people doing, trying to find reasons outside of the actual playing ability.
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TOOR, you can claim that you're not influenced by the effect that VVD has had on Liverpool vs the effect that Terry, Ferdinand etc. had but of course you are. We all are.

It's human nature to be affected by such things and you cannot just rule it out.

It's like claiming to walk through a supermarket and not be influenced by the positioning of the products. Whether you accept it or not, it's just a fact.
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Of course I am biased but not to the extreme that you think. I've put two Liverpool players in the top ten, one at tenth. I've put three United players in.

I'm not talking about bias, TOOR.

I'm saying that the effect VVD had on Liverpool is greater than the effect that Ferdinand, Campbell etc. had on United, Arsenal etc. because of the players they were playing around and replacing.

That has to influence your perception. It does with all of us.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not talking about bias, TOOR.

I'm saying that the effect VVD had on Liverpool is greater than the effect that Ferdinand, Campbell etc. had on United, Arsenal etc. because of the players they were playing around and replacing.

That has to influence your perception. It does with all of us.
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And that's fine but influence is not my reason for putting him top, I've explained my reasoning. If you take the best attributes of the above players, VVD is as good if not better at all of them. He's the most rounded, with no real weaknesses.

I'm not saying influence is your reason.

I'm saying that his core attributes stand out more because of who he is replacing and the state of the team when he came in.

You are over rating his attributes because of that in comparison to other top defenders.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not saying influence is your reason.

I'm saying that his core attributes stand out more because of who he is replacing and the state of the team when he came in.

You are over rating his attributes because of that in comparison to other top defenders.
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I disagree.

Of course you do. Because it's subconscious.

I'd go back to the Torres comment now as well.

I'd love to have heard you waxing lyrical about him when he was at Liverpool. He was unplayable at times.

Fast forward past a terrible period at Chelsea and people's views have changed.

What you're doing with TAA and VVD is flawed in the extreme, but the Gerrard 3rd best this century opinion gives an indication as to why.

Oh, so my opinion is not my own as subconsciously I have formed the opinion, not due to my own reasons but due to my subconscious mind. I guess that goes for everyone then. No point given opinions or reasoning for your opinions as they are flawed subconsciously.

Is that why you don't participate in the lists but pick people out to disagree with their choices?

"so my opinion is not my own as subconsciously I have formed the opinion"

Eh? Didn't say anything of the sort, TOOR.

I'm just offering reasons as to why your opinion is the way it is and why everyone else seems to be laughing at it.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
"so my opinion is not my own as subconsciously I have formed the opinion"

Eh? Didn't say anything of the sort, TOOR.

I'm just offering reasons as to why your opinion is the way it is and why everyone else seems to be laughing at it.
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I haven't seen anybody laughing at it. Disagreeing yes but not laughing. I don't see what's funny about it. I can understand disagreeing due to the longevity point. People are entitled to that opinion.

Several people have been laughing at your bias, TOOR, across multiple threads.