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comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
What? Do you know what hypocrisy means?
I'm calling them out as hypocrites because I feel they're being hypocritical in this instance. That's it. Very simple stuff.
You really are awful at this. Go read a book mate.
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In what way are they being hypocrites,because you feel they are so therefore they are.
I think they are not so therefore they are not.
That was easy
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hypocritical
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behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
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That's basically a definition of you
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Shut up you beIlend and stop chatting sh!t for once.
What is it about 20k+ users? All thick as fvck and really loud with it.
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comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
What? Do you know what hypocrisy means?
I'm calling them out as hypocrites because I feel they're being hypocritical in this instance. That's it. Very simple stuff.
You really are awful at this. Go read a book mate.
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In what way are they being hypocrites,because you feel they are so therefore they are.
I think they are not so therefore they are not.
That was easy
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This may help you
hypocritical
adjective
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
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That's basically a definition of you
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Shut up you beIlend and stop chatting sh!t for once.
What is it about 20k+ users? All thick as fvck and really loud with it.
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Think I hit a nerve there
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Gaffer (U22336)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
“ Depends on whether you believe if the FA have said voiding is off the table.”
Here in lies the problem. They either don’t want to believe what’s been said by the FA etc or they’re sticking their fingers in their ears and blatantly ignoring it.
It’s become so tiresome.
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Where have the FA said voiding it is off the table.
I havent seen anything to this effect, but that's not to say it hasnt been expressed by the FA - so an up to date link would be useful
The basic issue it that the league will have to restart under different rules. That needs agreement. Currently there is no agreement. If none can be found, i dont think anyone can say with any certainty that the FA/EPL have any ability to force teams to restart in these circumstances - This is not about H&S its about changing the rules part way through the season. I think it is likley that there is no legal/contractual way of forcing this on teams, it can only be done by agreement.
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It would be the same but no crowds
Still the same rules, 11 vs 11, and the team with the most goals wins
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I agree on that basis. if its just behind closed doors. But the neutral venues issue make a lot of teams with a lot to lose very uncomfortable.
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Yeah agree I'm not a fan of the neutral ground thing but it may come to that
I'm sure you do.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/rAoAl7D
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
Integrity is not a black and white thing.
While it is valid that Spurs returning home may have given them an advantage over teams, to the detriment of their opponents, this extended to 5 home games.
What is being proposed under the neutral ground approach affects 92 games.
So sure, what Spurs were allowed to do undermined integrity of the league to a very small degree.
The other thing is that deviations from the norm requires the approval of the other teams. Spurs deviation from the norm gained approval.
I would much rather see the league restart, Spurs have much more to gain especially now with our big players back, But i can see the legal and contractual difficulties of imposing materially different rules of engagement on teams. Unless the EPL contract allows for it, it will be a deviation from the agreed rules and achievable by agreement but, where agreement is not reached, possibly not enforceable.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
The rules may not state explicitly that its enforceable Devon, but its enforceable. The question, IMO, is to what extent is it enforceable. I gather you feel that the clubs would be ok of there was a stalemate bit I think the reverse is true.
At the end of the day, it is the clubs that need football to continue and they will never be able to set foot on a pitch without FA approval, unless they wait until football can be played under the current rules.
Furthermore, a team the FA, the EPL and majority of PL clubs vs 3-8 releagtion threatened teams will be able to force through just about anything.
Voiding is off the table, bottom three will go down at whichever point the season is declared to have ended.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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The thing about that Statement Sandy is that most fans views are informed and influenced by the position of their teams. I think its expected that LFC want the season done, but on the flip side they cannot be so dismissive of the concerns of other teams who the season to play out in a fair way.
I have seen a lot of LFC fans (and others) make statements like "they havent played well enough so far, so deserve to go down" Such views lacking any sort of objectivity or sense of justice. 3 teams in the bottom 5 are equal on points. However this finely balanced position is played out it must be in a way that preserves the slight advantage some teams had over others (greater number of home games being the key thing).
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comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 minutes ago
The rules may not state explicitly that its enforceable Devon, but its enforceable. The question, IMO, is to what extent is it enforceable. I gather you feel that the clubs would be ok of there was a stalemate bit I think the reverse is true.
At the end of the day, it is the clubs that need football to continue and they will never be able to set foot on a pitch without FA approval, unless they wait until football can be played under the current rules.
Furthermore, a team the FA, the EPL and majority of PL clubs vs 3-8 releagtion threatened teams will be able to force through just about anything.
Voiding is off the table, bottom three will go down at whichever point the season is declared to have ended.
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I disagree with you mate.
I think theyll try their best to restart the league.
Some may resist any attempts, but likely that neutral venues will not gain enough approval and is probably the element that is readily challengeable.
In the event that no agreement is reached on a restart, imposing either final positions or av. pts and relegating teams will = a mass of lawsuits. Any appeal will have merit IMO.
A bit like Boris and his "we will leave by 31st October" stance, the FA are taking a firm stand because if you show any sort of weakness from this position then it will be exploited. Whether or not the FA can or will impose their apparent stance remains to be seen.
What you're saying will definitely not happen IMO. If that happened, even the FA would be in financial trouble. Why would they sanction it and put themselves to the wall? Its not gonna happen. You really think clubs in the Prem and EFL will give up merit payments etc? Don't think you've considered all the factors.
I honestly think you're refusing to see what is irrevocably clear and precise but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Jumping the gun a bit. After Danny Rose outburst its obvious its not as straight forward as that. If players dont feel safe they shouldnt be forced to play. This virus doesnt only kill but can cause permanent lung damage as well so could end careers. I can understand his concerns.
I still think the same as since day 1 of the league being suspended. Last season should be scrapped and we start again in August if its safe to do so. If its not safe n August this season can be picked up again and finished next year.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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Plus us winning the league, and ambiguity about finishing position, is the least complex situation to solve. It’s actually top 4, European and relegation places that are causing the biggest issues and conflict.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 37 seconds ago
What you're saying will definitely not happen IMO. If that happened, even the FA would be in financial trouble. Why would they sanction it and put themselves to the wall? Its not gonna happen. You really think clubs in the Prem and EFL will give up merit payments etc? Don't think you've considered all the factors.
I honestly think you're refusing to see what is irrevocably clear and precise but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Its all about the relegation clubs. Positions 1-14 will want their payments which average about £18m per club and will probably vote for any sort of restart.
Positions 15 - 20 will see these possible losses of merit payments as minor compared to the loss of EPL revenue next season. No doubt theyd forego whatever they're owed for the rest of this season if it meant they stay on the gravy train next season.
Whatever action is taken is not just about commonsense, its about the legal position. Whatever action is taken has to be enforceable or it will just be lost on appeal.
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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Plus us winning the league, and ambiguity about finishing position, is the least complex situation to solve. It’s actually top 4, European and relegation places that are causing the biggest issues and conflict.
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LFC are obvious title winenrs, but the most complicated position will be to award titles but not relegate. Either current league positons are final so LFC win and the bottom 3 go down etc, or nothing is awarded.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 37 seconds ago
What you're saying will definitely not happen IMO. If that happened, even the FA would be in financial trouble. Why would they sanction it and put themselves to the wall? Its not gonna happen. You really think clubs in the Prem and EFL will give up merit payments etc? Don't think you've considered all the factors.
I honestly think you're refusing to see what is irrevocably clear and precise but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Its all about the relegation clubs. Positions 1-14 will want their payments which average about £18m per club and will probably vote for any sort of restart.
Positions 15 - 20 will see these possible losses of merit payments as minor compared to the loss of EPL revenue next season. No doubt theyd forego whatever they're owed for the rest of this season if it meant they stay on the gravy train next season.
Whatever action is taken is not just about commonsense, its about the legal position. Whatever action is taken has to be enforceable or it will just be lost on appeal.
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And the same thing in the EFL. There are merit payments in the EFL too. The tsunami will sweep them away. This is the FA, EPL, PL and 95% of clubs vs the 6 or 9 clubs threatened with relegation trying to escape when truth is no other team deserves to ho down more than them.
Also, merit payments will be around 52m for the league winners and around 2.2m less for each position down the table, all the way to the bottom. In addition to this there is international TV money which is shared equally and will be around 35m per club.
The bottom club alone would lose 50m if the season is voided, others up to 90-100m. If you include lost match day revenue, it becomes a massacre of clubs.
Thats still better than relegation for the bottom three, but no club outside bottom three will vote to void the season mate.
The only feasible way to do it is to finish the season one way or another. Then there can be no arguments about relegation and the way clubs make their money back is that they charge people to watch their respective clubs on their own TV channels.
For instance, Liverpool's TV channel or online channel to watch games charge per game, except to those season ticket holders who have already paid for these games and you obviously verify that accordingly. They shouldn't charge a standard match ticket price, but even £20 per match, sounds ridiculous just to watch them via TV/website but people will pay it to watch their club.
I'd imagine a high proportion of clubs would probably end up earning more than on a normal matchday, because clubs like Bournemouth who can only house like 12,000 fans per game, might have 25,000 people watching the game for example who have all paid £20 to watch that game, for arguments sake. So let's say, in Bournemouth's case, they get 12,000 fans who pay £25 each per game, that works out at £300,00 match gate. But 25,000 fans at £20 is £500,000 per game. So that might also help cover the costs of money they'd lose on merchandising, food & drink etc or in some cases, allow the club to make a profit.
That would also be beneficial for those clubs lower down the league as well, such as your Burton's, Crawley's, Macclesfield's etc. Even if they don't make a profit, its still some form of income for these clubs.
Don't know why people think Liverpool is the main reason the season needs restarting. Leeds and Albion for two have far more to lose as do teams battling for various relegation/promotion/european spots.
If it was just about Liverpool then i don't think a single football fan would argue if they were just awarded the title.
“ They shouldn't charge a standard match ticket price, but even £20 per match, sounds ridiculous just to watch them via TV/website but people will pay it to watch their club.”
LFCTV already show the matches for the monthly subscription fee. Don’t think they could get away woth suddenly charging per match.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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With or without the league restarting, the season has been irretrievably compromised and can not now be completed fairly, and therefore is virtually meaningless and lacking any kind of merit.
The shine has been taken off this season whatever happens, and Liverpool would be ridiculed for decades to come by rival fans, that is inevitable.
You can`t claim any kind of kudos from such a farcical season like this and be taken seriously. The bias and corruption of VAR was bad enough, but add that to the whole Covid nightmare, and you have a season that is just about as insignificant as it gets.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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With or without the league restarting, the season has been irretrievably compromised and can not now be completed fairly, and therefore is virtually meaningless and lacking any kind of merit.
The shine has been taken off this season whatever happens, and Liverpool would be ridiculed for decades to come by rival fans, that is inevitable.
You can`t claim any kind of kudos from such a farcical season like this and be taken seriously. The bias and corruption of VAR was bad enough, but add that to the whole Covid nightmare, and you have a season that is just about as insignificant as it gets.
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comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
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comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
What? Do you know what hypocrisy means?
I'm calling them out as hypocrites because I feel they're being hypocritical in this instance. That's it. Very simple stuff.
You really are awful at this. Go read a book mate.
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In what way are they being hypocrites,because you feel they are so therefore they are.
I think they are not so therefore they are not.
That was easy
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hypocritical
adjective
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
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That's basically a definition of you
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Shut up you beIlend and stop chatting sh!t for once.
What is it about 20k+ users? All thick as fvck and really loud with it.
posted on 12/5/20
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comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
What? Do you know what hypocrisy means?
I'm calling them out as hypocrites because I feel they're being hypocritical in this instance. That's it. Very simple stuff.
You really are awful at this. Go read a book mate.
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In what way are they being hypocrites,because you feel they are so therefore they are.
I think they are not so therefore they are not.
That was easy
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hypocritical
adjective
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
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That's basically a definition of you
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Shut up you beIlend and stop chatting sh!t for once.
What is it about 20k+ users? All thick as fvck and really loud with it.
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Think I hit a nerve there
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Gaffer (U22336)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
“ Depends on whether you believe if the FA have said voiding is off the table.”
Here in lies the problem. They either don’t want to believe what’s been said by the FA etc or they’re sticking their fingers in their ears and blatantly ignoring it.
It’s become so tiresome.
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Where have the FA said voiding it is off the table.
I havent seen anything to this effect, but that's not to say it hasnt been expressed by the FA - so an up to date link would be useful
The basic issue it that the league will have to restart under different rules. That needs agreement. Currently there is no agreement. If none can be found, i dont think anyone can say with any certainty that the FA/EPL have any ability to force teams to restart in these circumstances - This is not about H&S its about changing the rules part way through the season. I think it is likley that there is no legal/contractual way of forcing this on teams, it can only be done by agreement.
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It would be the same but no crowds
Still the same rules, 11 vs 11, and the team with the most goals wins
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I agree on that basis. if its just behind closed doors. But the neutral venues issue make a lot of teams with a lot to lose very uncomfortable.
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Yeah agree I'm not a fan of the neutral ground thing but it may come to that
posted on 12/5/20
I'm sure you do.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/rAoAl7D
posted on 12/5/20
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
posted on 12/5/20
Integrity is not a black and white thing.
While it is valid that Spurs returning home may have given them an advantage over teams, to the detriment of their opponents, this extended to 5 home games.
What is being proposed under the neutral ground approach affects 92 games.
So sure, what Spurs were allowed to do undermined integrity of the league to a very small degree.
The other thing is that deviations from the norm requires the approval of the other teams. Spurs deviation from the norm gained approval.
I would much rather see the league restart, Spurs have much more to gain especially now with our big players back, But i can see the legal and contractual difficulties of imposing materially different rules of engagement on teams. Unless the EPL contract allows for it, it will be a deviation from the agreed rules and achievable by agreement but, where agreement is not reached, possibly not enforceable.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
posted on 12/5/20
The rules may not state explicitly that its enforceable Devon, but its enforceable. The question, IMO, is to what extent is it enforceable. I gather you feel that the clubs would be ok of there was a stalemate bit I think the reverse is true.
At the end of the day, it is the clubs that need football to continue and they will never be able to set foot on a pitch without FA approval, unless they wait until football can be played under the current rules.
Furthermore, a team the FA, the EPL and majority of PL clubs vs 3-8 releagtion threatened teams will be able to force through just about anything.
Voiding is off the table, bottom three will go down at whichever point the season is declared to have ended.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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The thing about that Statement Sandy is that most fans views are informed and influenced by the position of their teams. I think its expected that LFC want the season done, but on the flip side they cannot be so dismissive of the concerns of other teams who the season to play out in a fair way.
I have seen a lot of LFC fans (and others) make statements like "they havent played well enough so far, so deserve to go down" Such views lacking any sort of objectivity or sense of justice. 3 teams in the bottom 5 are equal on points. However this finely balanced position is played out it must be in a way that preserves the slight advantage some teams had over others (greater number of home games being the key thing).
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comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 minutes ago
The rules may not state explicitly that its enforceable Devon, but its enforceable. The question, IMO, is to what extent is it enforceable. I gather you feel that the clubs would be ok of there was a stalemate bit I think the reverse is true.
At the end of the day, it is the clubs that need football to continue and they will never be able to set foot on a pitch without FA approval, unless they wait until football can be played under the current rules.
Furthermore, a team the FA, the EPL and majority of PL clubs vs 3-8 releagtion threatened teams will be able to force through just about anything.
Voiding is off the table, bottom three will go down at whichever point the season is declared to have ended.
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I disagree with you mate.
I think theyll try their best to restart the league.
Some may resist any attempts, but likely that neutral venues will not gain enough approval and is probably the element that is readily challengeable.
In the event that no agreement is reached on a restart, imposing either final positions or av. pts and relegating teams will = a mass of lawsuits. Any appeal will have merit IMO.
A bit like Boris and his "we will leave by 31st October" stance, the FA are taking a firm stand because if you show any sort of weakness from this position then it will be exploited. Whether or not the FA can or will impose their apparent stance remains to be seen.
posted on 12/5/20
What you're saying will definitely not happen IMO. If that happened, even the FA would be in financial trouble. Why would they sanction it and put themselves to the wall? Its not gonna happen. You really think clubs in the Prem and EFL will give up merit payments etc? Don't think you've considered all the factors.
I honestly think you're refusing to see what is irrevocably clear and precise but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
posted on 12/5/20
Jumping the gun a bit. After Danny Rose outburst its obvious its not as straight forward as that. If players dont feel safe they shouldnt be forced to play. This virus doesnt only kill but can cause permanent lung damage as well so could end careers. I can understand his concerns.
I still think the same as since day 1 of the league being suspended. Last season should be scrapped and we start again in August if its safe to do so. If its not safe n August this season can be picked up again and finished next year.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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Plus us winning the league, and ambiguity about finishing position, is the least complex situation to solve. It’s actually top 4, European and relegation places that are causing the biggest issues and conflict.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 37 seconds ago
What you're saying will definitely not happen IMO. If that happened, even the FA would be in financial trouble. Why would they sanction it and put themselves to the wall? Its not gonna happen. You really think clubs in the Prem and EFL will give up merit payments etc? Don't think you've considered all the factors.
I honestly think you're refusing to see what is irrevocably clear and precise but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Its all about the relegation clubs. Positions 1-14 will want their payments which average about £18m per club and will probably vote for any sort of restart.
Positions 15 - 20 will see these possible losses of merit payments as minor compared to the loss of EPL revenue next season. No doubt theyd forego whatever they're owed for the rest of this season if it meant they stay on the gravy train next season.
Whatever action is taken is not just about commonsense, its about the legal position. Whatever action is taken has to be enforceable or it will just be lost on appeal.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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Plus us winning the league, and ambiguity about finishing position, is the least complex situation to solve. It’s actually top 4, European and relegation places that are causing the biggest issues and conflict.
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LFC are obvious title winenrs, but the most complicated position will be to award titles but not relegate. Either current league positons are final so LFC win and the bottom 3 go down etc, or nothing is awarded.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 37 seconds ago
What you're saying will definitely not happen IMO. If that happened, even the FA would be in financial trouble. Why would they sanction it and put themselves to the wall? Its not gonna happen. You really think clubs in the Prem and EFL will give up merit payments etc? Don't think you've considered all the factors.
I honestly think you're refusing to see what is irrevocably clear and precise but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Its all about the relegation clubs. Positions 1-14 will want their payments which average about £18m per club and will probably vote for any sort of restart.
Positions 15 - 20 will see these possible losses of merit payments as minor compared to the loss of EPL revenue next season. No doubt theyd forego whatever they're owed for the rest of this season if it meant they stay on the gravy train next season.
Whatever action is taken is not just about commonsense, its about the legal position. Whatever action is taken has to be enforceable or it will just be lost on appeal.
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And the same thing in the EFL. There are merit payments in the EFL too. The tsunami will sweep them away. This is the FA, EPL, PL and 95% of clubs vs the 6 or 9 clubs threatened with relegation trying to escape when truth is no other team deserves to ho down more than them.
Also, merit payments will be around 52m for the league winners and around 2.2m less for each position down the table, all the way to the bottom. In addition to this there is international TV money which is shared equally and will be around 35m per club.
The bottom club alone would lose 50m if the season is voided, others up to 90-100m. If you include lost match day revenue, it becomes a massacre of clubs.
Thats still better than relegation for the bottom three, but no club outside bottom three will vote to void the season mate.
posted on 12/5/20
The only feasible way to do it is to finish the season one way or another. Then there can be no arguments about relegation and the way clubs make their money back is that they charge people to watch their respective clubs on their own TV channels.
For instance, Liverpool's TV channel or online channel to watch games charge per game, except to those season ticket holders who have already paid for these games and you obviously verify that accordingly. They shouldn't charge a standard match ticket price, but even £20 per match, sounds ridiculous just to watch them via TV/website but people will pay it to watch their club.
I'd imagine a high proportion of clubs would probably end up earning more than on a normal matchday, because clubs like Bournemouth who can only house like 12,000 fans per game, might have 25,000 people watching the game for example who have all paid £20 to watch that game, for arguments sake. So let's say, in Bournemouth's case, they get 12,000 fans who pay £25 each per game, that works out at £300,00 match gate. But 25,000 fans at £20 is £500,000 per game. So that might also help cover the costs of money they'd lose on merchandising, food & drink etc or in some cases, allow the club to make a profit.
That would also be beneficial for those clubs lower down the league as well, such as your Burton's, Crawley's, Macclesfield's etc. Even if they don't make a profit, its still some form of income for these clubs.
posted on 12/5/20
Don't know why people think Liverpool is the main reason the season needs restarting. Leeds and Albion for two have far more to lose as do teams battling for various relegation/promotion/european spots.
If it was just about Liverpool then i don't think a single football fan would argue if they were just awarded the title.
posted on 12/5/20
“ They shouldn't charge a standard match ticket price, but even £20 per match, sounds ridiculous just to watch them via TV/website but people will pay it to watch their club.”
LFCTV already show the matches for the monthly subscription fee. Don’t think they could get away woth suddenly charging per match.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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With or without the league restarting, the season has been irretrievably compromised and can not now be completed fairly, and therefore is virtually meaningless and lacking any kind of merit.
The shine has been taken off this season whatever happens, and Liverpool would be ridiculed for decades to come by rival fans, that is inevitable.
You can`t claim any kind of kudos from such a farcical season like this and be taken seriously. The bias and corruption of VAR was bad enough, but add that to the whole Covid nightmare, and you have a season that is just about as insignificant as it gets.
posted on 12/5/20
Look who’s off again
posted on 12/5/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lets face it, there really isn't a "fair" option. Its just going with the least unfair option possible. However (and I genuinely don't mean this to wind anyone up), I think the bigger clubs will get more of a say than the likes or Brighton et al.
It is interesting to hear what Danny Rose has said. I wonder if quite a few players will feel it is not safe. That could be an issue.
I want football back on the TV but I honestly don't think the finish to this season will feel real. It doesn't feel right that we could be playing in a few weeks.
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Bake 'em, this restarting the season has always been about Liverpool. Their supporters don't care less about anything other than just getting the Prrm season up and running at all costs, so they can win a couple of matches. None if their supporters even mentions getting the FA Cup or European Comps running again. Why because they are not involved in either competition. Complete selfishness on their part.
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With or without the league restarting, we win the league. So that isn't the case at all.
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With or without the league restarting, the season has been irretrievably compromised and can not now be completed fairly, and therefore is virtually meaningless and lacking any kind of merit.
The shine has been taken off this season whatever happens, and Liverpool would be ridiculed for decades to come by rival fans, that is inevitable.
You can`t claim any kind of kudos from such a farcical season like this and be taken seriously. The bias and corruption of VAR was bad enough, but add that to the whole Covid nightmare, and you have a season that is just about as insignificant as it gets.
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Shut the fack up.
posted on 12/5/20
This boy has problems
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