Not a chance. Nobody will want to be seen to be backing down. The fact everything has been played out in public has just added to the poisonous atmosphere between clubs.

I'm sure we can all agree that the clubs who don't vote for an independent investigation are happy with how the league is governed.

And as such, at the very least, we shall hear a lot less about corruption, bias, cheating, etc from the fans of said clubs.

Silver lining perhaps...

Hi Ho!

Positions are too entrenched now and as long as there is time clubs will want to fight. When it comes to money, perhaps not?
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One Championship club told us: “Scot’s proposal was to effectively null and void all four divisions. When you consider the catastrophic financial ramifications for all clubs it was hard for anyone to understand his motivation. Even now it’s still impossible to figure out what Inverness Caley Thistle thought they would gain from doing that.” Gardiner also declared he will be backing Rangers’ calls for an independent inquiry...

An independent inquest at this time serves only one purpose - self preservation.

It is nothing to do with sporting integrity ot looking out for other teams. It is simply "we didn't get our way when we shouted so we will shout louder now".

There have been many many occasions for this to have happened but no one chose to act until the club shouting the loudest with nothing to gain out of all of this started crying that they didn't get their way and have been a total riddy for a number of weeks now.

I don't know anyone who thinks the SPFL are perfect or wouldn't want a change in personnel but right now in the middle of a crisis? It only serves the clubs desperate for something to happen to help them (or harm their rivals)

Petty as fvck and no Rangers fan wants to admit that but they know it

comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 26 minutes ago
I'm sure we can all agree that the clubs who don't vote for an independent investigation are happy with how the league is governed.

And as such, at the very least, we shall hear a lot less about corruption, bias, cheating, etc from the fans of said clubs.

Silver lining perhaps...
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Any suggestion that clubs who are maintaining their dignified silence right now are not acting out of self interest is hilarious.

Everyone is acting out of their own self interests in this situation. That's how Scottish football is unfortunately.

I don't know anyone who thinks the SPFL are perfect or wouldn't want a change in personnel but right now in the middle of a crisis? It only serves the clubs desperate for something to happen to help them (or harm their rivals)

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2012 all over again...

I don't know anyone who thinks the SPFL are perfect or wouldn't want a change in personnel but right now in the middle of a crisis?

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Hmm, i'm always an advocate of 'not shooting your horses in the middle of a battle'.

What I would say is that Rangers original proposal had merit (albeit one word was wrong - I mean jesus wept, one word FFS) and would absolutely bought some time for the crisis to be further understood.

The fact the the SPFL board tried to railroad one option without being open to challenge was equally as remiss in the middle of a crisis.

Behaviour breeds behaviour..

comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't know anyone who thinks the SPFL are perfect or wouldn't want a change in personnel but right now in the middle of a crisis? It only serves the clubs desperate for something to happen to help them (or harm their rivals)

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2012 all over again...
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Are you saying that the clubs should have got together then to unite against the SPFL? When a club had gone out of business on it's own accord?

What about 2010 when the referees that you all claim are against you went on strike? Did you join with all the clubs?

What about 1996 when Jim Farry held up paperwork for Celtic signing a player? Did you all call out when it was unfair.

Why now? Well, daft question we all know it is to stop 9IAR that is why that question gets ignored time and time again with a "what about..."

comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't know anyone who thinks the SPFL are perfect or wouldn't want a change in personnel but right now in the middle of a crisis? It only serves the clubs desperate for something to happen to help them (or harm their rivals)

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2012 all over again...
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Are you saying that the clubs should have got together then to unite against the SPFL? When a club had gone out of business on it's own accord?

What about 2010 when the referees that you all claim are against you went on strike? Did you join with all the clubs?

What about 1996 when Jim Farry held up paperwork for Celtic signing a player? Did you all call out when it was unfair.

Why now? Well, daft question we all know it is to stop 9IAR that is why that question gets ignored time and time again with a "what about..."

I take it you support an independent investigation?

But you don't support the findings of the independent investigation that was done on the ask of the SPFL?

You will support the findings of an independent investigation funded by Rangers though?

Are you saying that the clubs should have got together then to unite against the SPFL? When a club had gone out of business on it's own accord?

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No, think it was more about kicking Rangers whilst they were down.

Those at Rangers who responsible for the collapse were not in charge at the time, when everyone wanted to put the boot in.

As for 9IAR, i don't believe that Rangers have said anything other than they want the games played.

And you'd need to be a unrealistically optimistic Rangers fan to think the title is heading anywhere other than Parkhead.

Something which seems possible, given the news coming from Germany, the EPL...

I'm not against an independent review of our governing body.

that said, the way this has come about has been a circus, purely to imply the spfl are corrupt so rangers can challenge any title celtic are awarded.

Not the time imo. i was up for league reconstruction but that wee grinch budge annoys me.

This whole exercise has been about 2 things.

celtic getting the title
relegation bound clubs pointing fingers elsewhere for their mismanagement.

comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 1 minute ago
I take it you support an independent investigation?

But you don't support the findings of the independent investigation that was done on the ask of the SPFL?

You will support the findings of an independent investigation funded by Rangers though?
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Of course I support an independent investigation.

Originally, due to the fact that I work in an industry in which it's a legal requirement to have rigorous independent review and internal reviews regularly.

Indeed i have performed these reviews both where I work and at other places.

If you do not measure your self against requisite standards then you performance will drop off.

I am even more in favour of one now given what was provided in the dossier, the behaviour of the senior members of the SPFL board and the Deloitte investigation which found no issues.

Any investigation which does not find any areas to address (at all) has been completely ineffective and looks like a sop.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm not against an independent review of our governing body.

that said, the way this has come about has been a circus, purely to imply the spfl are corrupt so rangers can challenge any title celtic are awarded.

Not the time imo. i was up for league reconstruction but that wee grinch budge annoys me.

This whole exercise has been about 2 things.

celtic getting the title
relegation bound clubs pointing fingers elsewhere for their mismanagement.
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Exactly that

The number of statements has been ridiculous from calling for null and void, stating, no behind closed doors, stating they will not be bullied, stating they have evidence of wrong doing etc etc

Why not just raise a case for a call of no confidence in the board and chairman? No need for multiple statements. Unfortunately the more they demanded and didn't get they raised more statements

Why not just raise a case for a call of no confidence in the board and chairman? No need for multiple statements. Unfortunately the more they demanded and didn't get they raised more statements

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The board represent the clubs.

I wonder what would've happened if Rangers proposal to buy some more thinking time would have been properly considered.

I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest that we wouldn't be in this mess and it would have allowed some planning time to start getting the games played.

Aside from the nonsense in social media, it's clear that people stuck in their houses would appreciate a bit of footy to watch, even if it is on the tele.

This whole exercise has been about 2 things.

celtic getting the title
relegation bound clubs pointing fingers elsewhere for their mismanagement.
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In terms of your first point I think it is about celtic getting the title too easily.

As long as there is the possibility of playing the remaining games of the season then Rangers stance has always been that this should be the preferred option.

As folk have pointed out - Germany and England are now making strides towards getting games played.

There was no reason to rush into declaring things over and done with. I think Rangers feel that the way things being done isn't fair for a number of clubs and for themselves it could lead to celtic being declared champions when the league could still be played out.

Like most Rangers fans, of course I think Celtic will win the league. But I also think the club and the players have a right to play to a finish if it is possible.

There was no reason to rush into declaring things over and done with. I think Rangers feel that the way things being done isn't fair for a number of clubs and for themselves it could lead to celtic being declared champions when the league could still be played out.

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'we can't pay loans to clubs'

'but you did it before'

'those weren't loans, they were advances'

i don' think there is anything easy about it mate.

uefa want an answer on the 25th. nothing has been awarded yet and the spfl have waited.

i'd prefer to finish it, but i dont think clubs can afford to play games without fans paying.

then there are things like win bonuses

No, think it was more about kicking Rangers whilst they were down.
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deBear, I know it might seem like that but I think it was more to do with setting precedent.

Many clubs could be tempted to build up debt then shed it with minimal consequence.

Rangers were not down, they were out. There was no coming out of administration. This isn't some sly dig about 'Rangers died'. Legally they did. Spiritually they didn't. Plenty people in Scottish football from bottom to top were very happy with that ambiguity.

i agree on the loans, its not just a matter of "ok we'll loan all 42 clubs some cash.

some won't get through this, then what?

i find it odd that rangers fans think they were hard done by in 2012.

they tried to shoehorn you back into the top tier, the clubs stopped that.

they imposed a transfer ban but in a way that you could still get players in. i disagreed with the ban at all, rangers had to build a squad

As folk have pointed out - Germany and England are now making strides towards getting games played.


these countries don't rely on match day revenue as much as we do here, we needed the clubs to get the money as soon as possible

comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 17 minutes ago
Why not just raise a case for a call of no confidence in the board and chairman? No need for multiple statements. Unfortunately the more they demanded and didn't get they raised more statements

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The board represent the clubs.

I wonder what would've happened if Rangers proposal to buy some more thinking time would have been properly considered.

I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest that we wouldn't be in this mess and it would have allowed some planning time to start getting the games played.

Aside from the nonsense in social media, it's clear that people stuck in their houses would appreciate a bit of footy to watch, even if it is on the tele.
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Oh 100%

I will be glued to the Bundesliga. That first TV match will have an audience like a World Cup final

"I will be glued to the Bundesliga. That first TV match will have an audience like a World Cup final"

Think BT are releasing the fixtures they are showing later today.

Do people still believe we can finish the season?