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So with lockdown lifted today,

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comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 3 minutes ago
you're asking people to have common sense 2 days after they're all out having streets parties to celebrate fookin VE day which I've never seen anyone celebrate in my life before
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posted on 13/5/20

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 21 seconds ago
That’s South Lanarkshire for you.

it was more a march there tbf
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Sakes.

Can’t even get in rhythm.

Saltcoats eh?

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 minute ago
British people aren't sensible

the man who is leading us shook hands with COVID patients and nearly died, he's telling you to use common sense

the health secretary went back to work a day before he was supposed to after having COVID

these people are not sensible
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A PM that caught the virus, within a day of lockdown after shaking hands with infected people, is telling people to use commonsense.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 13/5/20

I'm eagerly anticipating the lockdown measures eased here just in time for marching season....

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 minutes ago
you're asking people to have common sense 2 days after they're all out having streets parties to celebrate fookin VE day which I've never seen anyone celebrate in my life before

doing the conga


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VE50 in 1995 was massive and VE75, this year, would have been if it were not for lockdown. People weren't celebrating as a way of getting out of breakdown; what would have been an enormous party was muted dramatically because of lockdown. Some people and places definitely overdid it from what I saw, but most were sensible. On my street, nothing at all happened as far as I know - not one balloon or flag.

I do agree that the timing of these "easing" guidelines, just after VE Day, is potentially dangerous. Unfortunately, lots of people are terrible at self-policing: if they did have a bit of a street party last weekend, and now they're hearing about people going back to work etc, they'll start to feel, and act like, the problem is going away.

However, sporting events, gigs, bars, cafes, restaurants, nightclubs, gyms, cinemas etc are still off the table, so for now there is still a limit on how reckless people are able to be.

posted on 13/5/20

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 28 minutes ago
The governments instructions were pretty simple. You just need to use common sense. The lockdown hasn’t been lifted at all.
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The Government have given the go ahead of millions to return to work. If that is not a green light for lockdown lifted, then I do not know what is. Fortunately I hope people are not that stupid to follow that bit of Government advice.
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Indeed. Lockdown hasn't been lifted entirely, but it's clearly been relaxed at least in part if non-essential workers are being told to go back to work.

I still can't wrap my head around the idea of beating an invisible pathogen with common sense and a stiff upper lip, but clearly I just don't know all the various meanings of the words "stay" and "alert". And evidently I thought epidemiology and virology were more complex than they actually are.

posted on 13/5/20

It’s not about beating a virus at all. A virus can’t be beaten as such so this notion of stiff upper lip as some kind of perceived attitude is just very misplaced.

What we are trying to do is manage and live with it which means keeping significant restrictions in place. But where we see far less risk such as working in far safer environments and making work places far cleaner and workable than we should be doing that.

Unless of course you want to just continue to bunker down and hide away from it until at some unknown point in the future there is a worldwide available vaccine; which may never happen. Interesting that the proponents of this are happy to tell everyone to not take risk and to stay indoors at all costs whilst demanding that shelf stackers, supermarket workers, delivery drivers, food suppliers etc etc etc all take the risk to ensure that others can pontificate from the relative safety of their couch.

posted on 13/5/20

When was lockdown lifted, must have missed that...

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s not about beating a virus at all. A virus can’t be beaten as such so this notion of stiff upper lip as some kind of perceived attitude is just very misplaced.

What we are trying to do is manage and live with it which means keeping significant restrictions in place. But where we see far less risk such as working in far safer environments and making work places far cleaner and workable than we should be doing that.

Unless of course you want to just continue to bunker down and hide away from it until at some unknown point in the future there is a worldwide available vaccine; which may never happen. Interesting that the proponents of this are happy to tell everyone to not take risk and to stay indoors at all costs whilst demanding that shelf stackers, supermarket workers, delivery drivers, food suppliers etc etc etc all take the risk to ensure that others can pontificate from the relative safety of their couch.
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I am sure most workplaces can be made safe. The main problem though is actually getting to those workplaces.

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
When was lockdown lifted, must have missed that...
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Today, when the Government told millions they can go to work. Or doesn`t that count as lifting lockdown? Oh and letting strangers come into your house now that Estate Agents are reopening. Oh and going on unlimited jollies for exercise.

Lockdown is all but over now.

posted on 13/5/20

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s not about beating a virus at all. A virus can’t be beaten as such so this notion of stiff upper lip as some kind of perceived attitude is just very misplaced.

What we are trying to do is manage and live with it which means keeping significant restrictions in place. But where we see far less risk such as working in far safer environments and making work places far cleaner and workable than we should be doing that.

Unless of course you want to just continue to bunker down and hide away from it until at some unknown point in the future there is a worldwide available vaccine; which may never happen. Interesting that the proponents of this are happy to tell everyone to not take risk and to stay indoors at all costs whilst demanding that shelf stackers, supermarket workers, delivery drivers, food suppliers etc etc etc all take the risk to ensure that others can pontificate from the relative safety of their couch.
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I am sure most workplaces can be made safe. The main problem though is actually getting to those workplaces.
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Agreed which is why I mentioned we have to address the public transport situation. Also employers must start shift patterns. They haven’t yet to my knowledge.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 13/5/20

use your common sense is basically

'it's not our fault now if you get sick'

we're letting people go back to work n theres 600 plus a day dying

over 4000 new infections a day

I'm worried for England especially the working class people in London who use public transport to get to work

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 20 seconds ago
use your common sense is basically

'it's not our fault now if you get sick'

we're letting people go back to work n theres 600 plus a day dying

over 4000 new infections a day

I'm worried for England especially the working class people in London who use public transport to get to work
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Eh? You’ve just used yesterday’s numbers. Why not Saturday or Sunday?

Death rates and infection rates are coming down and it’s now well established that the risk arenas are care homes and hospitals which now account for the vast majority of new cases.

But people want the entire population (except the ones they need as mentioned before) to hide away. That’s just ridiculous.

Either lockdown fully or don’t. But don’t sit back (I know you’re not) and pick and choose who you say should in relative safety go back to work when the risk of infection is as low as it could possibly be.

posted on 13/5/20

My missus is a teacher and she has been told to be prepared to come back to school on June 1st. There is no plan yet but they have to turn up.

posted on 13/5/20

While I’m on a roll

Why should the government instruct businesses how to set themselves up? Their job is to set the rules and guidelines. It’s up to businesses to comply or they can’t trade. It’s a huge upgrade requirement on existing H&S legislation. Comply or don’t.

Huge companies whining away with an attitude of “you tell us how to get to work” while employing very senior strategists, directors and managers. Do your fwcking job.

comment by BB⁷ (U13430)

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s not about beating a virus at all. A virus can’t be beaten as such so this notion of stiff upper lip as some kind of perceived attitude is just very misplaced.

What we are trying to do is manage and live with it which means keeping significant restrictions in place. But where we see far less risk such as working in far safer environments and making work places far cleaner and workable than we should be doing that.

Unless of course you want to just continue to bunker down and hide away from it until at some unknown point in the future there is a worldwide available vaccine; which may never happen. Interesting that the proponents of this are happy to tell everyone to not take risk and to stay indoors at all costs whilst demanding that shelf stackers, supermarket workers, delivery drivers, food suppliers etc etc etc all take the risk to ensure that others can pontificate from the relative safety of their couch.
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I am sure most workplaces can be made safe. The main problem though is actually getting to those workplaces.
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Agreed which is why I mentioned we have to address the public transport situation. Also employers must start shift patterns. They haven’t yet to my knowledge.
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It might have been an idea to have addressed those areas before sending people back

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 13/5/20

Why not Saturday or Sunday?


Saturday/Sunday/monday numbers are usually smaller at the weekend and Monday

I agree with you with what you're saying and on your above point in regards to public transport/shift patterns etc (there's apparently been a lot of companies refusing to agree to flexible working) i'm in full agreement

we've still got the highest number of new cases per day in Europe (double the amount of 2nd place)

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 13/5/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 57 seconds ago

While I’m on a roll

Why should the government instruct businesses how to set themselves up? Their job is to set the rules and guidelines. It’s up to businesses to comply or they can’t trade. It’s a huge upgrade requirement on existing H&S legislation. Comply or don’t.

Huge companies whining away with an attitude of “you tell us how to get to work” while employing very senior strategists, directors and managers. Do your fwcking job.


fully agree with that

posted on 13/5/20

comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s not about beating a virus at all. A virus can’t be beaten as such so this notion of stiff upper lip as some kind of perceived attitude is just very misplaced.

What we are trying to do is manage and live with it which means keeping significant restrictions in place. But where we see far less risk such as working in far safer environments and making work places far cleaner and workable than we should be doing that.

Unless of course you want to just continue to bunker down and hide away from it until at some unknown point in the future there is a worldwide available vaccine; which may never happen. Interesting that the proponents of this are happy to tell everyone to not take risk and to stay indoors at all costs whilst demanding that shelf stackers, supermarket workers, delivery drivers, food suppliers etc etc etc all take the risk to ensure that others can pontificate from the relative safety of their couch.
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I am sure most workplaces can be made safe. The main problem though is actually getting to those workplaces.
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Agreed which is why I mentioned we have to address the public transport situation. Also employers must start shift patterns. They haven’t yet to my knowledge.
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It might have been an idea to have addressed those areas before sending people back
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The guidelines and rules have been clearly set. What we have is non enforcement and compliance from those companies. The underground and the bus services are privately owned aren’t they? Then it’s down to them to put the processes in place or they should be closed down.

comment by BB⁷ (U13430)

posted on 13/5/20

Have they? I have no idea. What are the guidelines and rules? All I see is people crammed into busses. God knows what the tube is like. But as you said "we have to address the public transport situation" what do you mean exactly?

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 13/5/20

btw

America edging towards 100,000 deaths as Trumps popularity continues to rise

crazy

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 13/5/20

You don't need a vaccine to beat a virus, you just need a good dose of British common sense.

posted on 13/5/20

comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 20 seconds ago
Have they? I have no idea. What are the guidelines and rules? All I see is people crammed into busses. God knows what the tube is like. But as you said "we have to address the public transport situation" what do you mean exactly?
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There are guidelines on social distancing and where that is not possible to use PPE. That will result in one thing only which is a significant reduction in the numbers of people who can travel at any given time. Why should the tube be any different to an aircraft which has probably the best filtered air systems around?

London Underground and the bus companies know this. So why are they just opening the doors to as many as can cram in? That’s for them to answer and if they can’t then they should be forced to close down. It would happen to my business if I didn’t comply.

I suppose I’m suggesting we restrict all forms of public transport until we get a better idea on risk and numbers.

posted on 13/5/20

It's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion and not being able to do anything about it. Police is saying that a longer lockdown won't be enforceable starting around next weekend. And I believe there's a certain truth to that in countries like UK/US where alot of people don't really trust experts and/or government.

So this is basically an act of shedding all responsibility when sh@t hits the fan (the 2nd wave is the real killer, always...)

But I hope the people don't forget that all of this is the result of Boris pissing away 2-4 weeks and letting the virus spread beyond 4 digits.

posted on 13/5/20

comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 2 minutes ago
Have they? I have no idea. What are the guidelines and rules? All I see is people crammed into busses. God knows what the tube is like. But as you said "we have to address the public transport situation" what do you mean exactly?
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well that idiot mayor has the public transport running at 5% capacity in London, it's no surprise they are crammed and social distancing is being ignored

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