Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
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Agree Ginger - it is funny though.
Scottish football administration is a joke. With respect clubs with <500 supporters should not have equal say in how things are managed. I would favour a proper executive with real powers to effect change - accountable yes but with real teeth.
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree Ginger - it is funny though.
Scottish football administration is a joke. With respect clubs with <500 supporters should not have equal say in how things are managed. I would favour a proper executive with real powers to effect change - accountable yes but with real teeth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The small clubs don't though. The premiership has a veto over it all. The small clubs could more easily argue that change can only ever come from the top as the 30 from championship down could be in favour but if less than 75% of premiership its a non starter
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree Ginger - it is funny though.
Scottish football administration is a joke. With respect clubs with <500 supporters should not have equal say in how things are managed. I would favour a proper executive with real powers to effect change - accountable yes but with real teeth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The small clubs don't though. The premiership has a veto over it all. The small clubs could more easily argue that change can only ever come from the top as the 30 from championship down could be in favour but if less than 75% of premiership its a non starter
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They don't mate. Their vote is one per team and that doesn't change anywhere.
Where the premier league clubs have solus say is only in their league.
5
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comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
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yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssssss
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😡😡
😂😂
Incidentally the 80 minutes thing was Gerrard's observation about his own team i.e. that we were doing poorly late in games.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have thought that in a period with such critical decisions being made that any questions over the leadership would best be resolved first?
Recently we have had to deal with the consequences of finishing a league campaign early (a farce) and with possible with league reconstruction (another farce).
In the immediate future we have to consider restarting our game in the midst biggest health and safety threat the game has seen and the very survival of many of its members clubs are also in doubt because of the whole situation.
So why would we wait until the current incumbents have 'lead' us through all that to then have a good look at whether they are fit for purpose or not?
I’m really not sure why there is this continually ongoing faux outrage at “finishing the season early” as if it was something anyone had any choice over.
To me as of yet football has not take place in any European country and other than Germany looks to have no sign of it either despite what some would have us believe of the EPL.
It certainly won’t happen in Scotland due to finances. The right decision was made and nothing is more obvious. The fact we are still maintaining some kind of leaving an option to continue the premier league is both ridiculous and embarrassing. It’s only being dragged out to appease those that simply can’t accept their placings.
So yes if we had a stronger and autonomous leadership which acted purely in the interests of the game itself instead or trying to keep its 42 members happy then this decision would in all likelihood have been made much sooner, clubs paid and some sense being applied to setting out a plan to get us ready for when we do get back.
With no interference from individual clubs trying to impose their own agendas.
Money to survive was seen as most important.
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 49 minutes ago
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have thought that in a period with such critical decisions being made that any questions over the leadership would best be resolved first?
Recently we have had to deal with the consequences of finishing a league campaign early (a farce) and with possible with league reconstruction (another farce).
In the immediate future we have to consider restarting our game in the midst biggest health and safety threat the game has seen and the very survival of many of its members clubs are also in doubt because of the whole situation.
So why would we wait until the current incumbents have 'lead' us through all that to then have a good look at whether they are fit for purpose or not?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"All of that" is the same thing. It is all as a result of the same pandemic. Know who are trying to trivialise it? Rangers fans? Know who wants change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers fans. Know who were the first to say "think of all the people dying"? Rangers fans Know who was trying to interfere with an unprecedented situation? Rangers? Know who was calling for change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers
Do every club want strong leadership? Absolutely - Celtic have called for it many times. I don't recall Rangers fans demanding change when an ex-Ranger was in charge. However, now is not the time. Same as with government. People may be unhappy with how the Tories are doing things but you don't see anyone calling for a General Election because things aren't being done the way they want it - sorry demand it
"All of that" is the same thing. It is all as a result of the same pandemic. Know who are trying to trivialise it? Rangers fans? Know who wants change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers fans. Know who were the first to say "think of all the people dying"? Rangers fans Know who was trying to interfere with an unprecedented situation? Rangers? Know who was calling for change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers
What a mess that is
comment by An s&m Lauders (U9757)
posted 54 seconds ago
"All of that" is the same thing. It is all as a result of the same pandemic. Know who are trying to trivialise it? Rangers fans? Know who wants change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers fans. Know who were the first to say "think of all the people dying"? Rangers fans Know who was trying to interfere with an unprecedented situation? Rangers? Know who was calling for change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers
What a mess that is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Grammatically? I know. I am ashamed of it
So I make what I would say is a pretty decent enough point regarding at what point the serious question marks that exist over those running our game and what do I get?
A couple of snidey snipey, basically anti Rangers rants, without anyone really making any attempt to acknowledge or answer the point I was actually making.
I don't know why I bother.
But this is exactly why I don't bother that often
No you didn't, you made a similar comment to the narrative coming from Ibrox over the week where someone has to be at fault and you and your club chose the SPFL leadership
It's an unprecedented situation that no one could ever have planned for so to hold someone to account for it is utterly ridiculous.
If you don't want disagreements then sorry but perhaps wrong place for the comment, perhaps on a Rangers forum you'll get high fives and comments like "yeah fvck the SFA" (Ivan it was a joke)
Please tell us since you know better and without the use of hindsight how you would have led us through this pandemic better than those running the game?
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 20 minutes ago
So I make what I would say is a pretty decent enough point regarding at what point the serious question marks that exist over those running our game and what do I get?
A couple of snidey snipey, basically anti Rangers rants, without anyone really making any attempt to acknowledge or answer the point I was actually making.
I don't know why I bother.
But this is exactly why I don't bother that often
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
There was nothing wrong with my answer for goodness sake. Rangers weren’t referred to or even mentioned by me
If you want to post a comment up then the least you can expect is an answer. Just because you don’t like it matters not a jot.
comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
No you didn't, you made a similar comment to the narrative coming from Ibrox over the week where someone has to be at fault and you and your club chose the SPFL leadership
It's an unprecedented situation that no one could ever have planned for so to hold someone to account for it is utterly ridiculous.
If you don't want disagreements then sorry but perhaps wrong place for the comment, perhaps on a Rangers forum you'll get high fives and comments like "yeah fvck the SFA" (Ivan it was a joke)
Please tell us since you know better and without the use of hindsight how you would have led us through this pandemic better than those running the game?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not holding anyone account for anything.
Ginger said;
we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
So it was a simple question to Ginger, off the back of his comment, whether he thought leaving a review of whether they are truly fit for purpose was better done after further significant decisions were made or before.
I wasn't offering any personal opinion on the SPFL boards suitability or blaming anyone.
But just ignore what I actually asked and rattle me for whatever it is you have decided I am really saying.
I have said many times before - I am bored senseless with all this stuff and haven't really read too much about it.
But the two things I have picked up which no one as far as I am aware has disputed is that the process around the vote to end the season was amateur at best and the reconstruction talks were a waste of everybodys time that were doomed to fail from the start.
I am guessing that it is those two situations which are in part behind Gingers concerns he expressed. Maybe he will correct me on that.
But that wasn't the point.
It was about the timing that Ginger referred to.
Simple as that.
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posted on 14/5/20
Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
posted on 14/5/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree Ginger - it is funny though.
Scottish football administration is a joke. With respect clubs with <500 supporters should not have equal say in how things are managed. I would favour a proper executive with real powers to effect change - accountable yes but with real teeth.
posted on 14/5/20
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree Ginger - it is funny though.
Scottish football administration is a joke. With respect clubs with <500 supporters should not have equal say in how things are managed. I would favour a proper executive with real powers to effect change - accountable yes but with real teeth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The small clubs don't though. The premiership has a veto over it all. The small clubs could more easily argue that change can only ever come from the top as the 30 from championship down could be in favour but if less than 75% of premiership its a non starter
posted on 14/5/20
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Idiot playing to the galleries
I suppose he'll want to include all the clubs who voted for the investigation who had something to lose as well?
The numbers about cancel each other out.
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree Ginger - it is funny though.
Scottish football administration is a joke. With respect clubs with <500 supporters should not have equal say in how things are managed. I would favour a proper executive with real powers to effect change - accountable yes but with real teeth.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The small clubs don't though. The premiership has a veto over it all. The small clubs could more easily argue that change can only ever come from the top as the 30 from championship down could be in favour but if less than 75% of premiership its a non starter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They don't mate. Their vote is one per team and that doesn't change anywhere.
Where the premier league clubs have solus say is only in their league.
posted on 14/5/20
5
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssssss
posted on 14/5/20
comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
5
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssssss
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😡😡
😂😂
posted on 15/5/20
Incidentally the 80 minutes thing was Gerrard's observation about his own team i.e. that we were doing poorly late in games.
posted on 15/5/20
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have thought that in a period with such critical decisions being made that any questions over the leadership would best be resolved first?
Recently we have had to deal with the consequences of finishing a league campaign early (a farce) and with possible with league reconstruction (another farce).
In the immediate future we have to consider restarting our game in the midst biggest health and safety threat the game has seen and the very survival of many of its members clubs are also in doubt because of the whole situation.
So why would we wait until the current incumbents have 'lead' us through all that to then have a good look at whether they are fit for purpose or not?
posted on 15/5/20
I’m really not sure why there is this continually ongoing faux outrage at “finishing the season early” as if it was something anyone had any choice over.
To me as of yet football has not take place in any European country and other than Germany looks to have no sign of it either despite what some would have us believe of the EPL.
It certainly won’t happen in Scotland due to finances. The right decision was made and nothing is more obvious. The fact we are still maintaining some kind of leaving an option to continue the premier league is both ridiculous and embarrassing. It’s only being dragged out to appease those that simply can’t accept their placings.
So yes if we had a stronger and autonomous leadership which acted purely in the interests of the game itself instead or trying to keep its 42 members happy then this decision would in all likelihood have been made much sooner, clubs paid and some sense being applied to setting out a plan to get us ready for when we do get back.
With no interference from individual clubs trying to impose their own agendas.
posted on 15/5/20
Money to survive was seen as most important.
posted on 15/5/20
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 49 minutes ago
In so saying we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would have thought that in a period with such critical decisions being made that any questions over the leadership would best be resolved first?
Recently we have had to deal with the consequences of finishing a league campaign early (a farce) and with possible with league reconstruction (another farce).
In the immediate future we have to consider restarting our game in the midst biggest health and safety threat the game has seen and the very survival of many of its members clubs are also in doubt because of the whole situation.
So why would we wait until the current incumbents have 'lead' us through all that to then have a good look at whether they are fit for purpose or not?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"All of that" is the same thing. It is all as a result of the same pandemic. Know who are trying to trivialise it? Rangers fans? Know who wants change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers fans. Know who were the first to say "think of all the people dying"? Rangers fans Know who was trying to interfere with an unprecedented situation? Rangers? Know who was calling for change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers
Do every club want strong leadership? Absolutely - Celtic have called for it many times. I don't recall Rangers fans demanding change when an ex-Ranger was in charge. However, now is not the time. Same as with government. People may be unhappy with how the Tories are doing things but you don't see anyone calling for a General Election because things aren't being done the way they want it - sorry demand it
posted on 15/5/20
"All of that" is the same thing. It is all as a result of the same pandemic. Know who are trying to trivialise it? Rangers fans? Know who wants change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers fans. Know who were the first to say "think of all the people dying"? Rangers fans Know who was trying to interfere with an unprecedented situation? Rangers? Know who was calling for change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers
What a mess that is
posted on 15/5/20
comment by An s&m Lauders (U9757)
posted 54 seconds ago
"All of that" is the same thing. It is all as a result of the same pandemic. Know who are trying to trivialise it? Rangers fans? Know who wants change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers fans. Know who were the first to say "think of all the people dying"? Rangers fans Know who was trying to interfere with an unprecedented situation? Rangers? Know who was calling for change in the middle of the crisis? Rangers
What a mess that is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Grammatically? I know. I am ashamed of it
posted on 15/5/20
So I make what I would say is a pretty decent enough point regarding at what point the serious question marks that exist over those running our game and what do I get?
A couple of snidey snipey, basically anti Rangers rants, without anyone really making any attempt to acknowledge or answer the point I was actually making.
I don't know why I bother.
But this is exactly why I don't bother that often
posted on 15/5/20
No you didn't, you made a similar comment to the narrative coming from Ibrox over the week where someone has to be at fault and you and your club chose the SPFL leadership
It's an unprecedented situation that no one could ever have planned for so to hold someone to account for it is utterly ridiculous.
If you don't want disagreements then sorry but perhaps wrong place for the comment, perhaps on a Rangers forum you'll get high fives and comments like "yeah fvck the SFA" (Ivan it was a joke)
Please tell us since you know better and without the use of hindsight how you would have led us through this pandemic better than those running the game?
posted on 15/5/20
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 20 minutes ago
So I make what I would say is a pretty decent enough point regarding at what point the serious question marks that exist over those running our game and what do I get?
A couple of snidey snipey, basically anti Rangers rants, without anyone really making any attempt to acknowledge or answer the point I was actually making.
I don't know why I bother.
But this is exactly why I don't bother that often
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
There was nothing wrong with my answer for goodness sake. Rangers weren’t referred to or even mentioned by me
If you want to post a comment up then the least you can expect is an answer. Just because you don’t like it matters not a jot.
posted on 15/5/20
comment by Call Sign: Invictus (U3627)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
No you didn't, you made a similar comment to the narrative coming from Ibrox over the week where someone has to be at fault and you and your club chose the SPFL leadership
It's an unprecedented situation that no one could ever have planned for so to hold someone to account for it is utterly ridiculous.
If you don't want disagreements then sorry but perhaps wrong place for the comment, perhaps on a Rangers forum you'll get high fives and comments like "yeah fvck the SFA" (Ivan it was a joke)
Please tell us since you know better and without the use of hindsight how you would have led us through this pandemic better than those running the game?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not holding anyone account for anything.
Ginger said;
we do need a significant review of the SPFL and the fit for purpose barometer tested. At the right time which to me is when we know what is going to happen and when.
So it was a simple question to Ginger, off the back of his comment, whether he thought leaving a review of whether they are truly fit for purpose was better done after further significant decisions were made or before.
I wasn't offering any personal opinion on the SPFL boards suitability or blaming anyone.
But just ignore what I actually asked and rattle me for whatever it is you have decided I am really saying.
I have said many times before - I am bored senseless with all this stuff and haven't really read too much about it.
But the two things I have picked up which no one as far as I am aware has disputed is that the process around the vote to end the season was amateur at best and the reconstruction talks were a waste of everybodys time that were doomed to fail from the start.
I am guessing that it is those two situations which are in part behind Gingers concerns he expressed. Maybe he will correct me on that.
But that wasn't the point.
It was about the timing that Ginger referred to.
Simple as that.
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