comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
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Can you show me which year this happened please?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you show me which year this happened please?
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Pretty sure it started under an act from 1998 and the ons have been including it since then and that this number has declined steadily from then until now.
I could be wrong of course.
Not everything the Conservatives do is bad.
Not everything Labour does is good.
But Labour believe in a more equal society, the Conservatives don't.
So Labour gets my vote.
Both sides make foul ups.
At the moment it's Boris' turn to make them and he's grabbing the opportunity with both hands.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you show me which year this happened please?
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"BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed?"
"The ONS confirmed that was the case."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46264291
When it came in is a bit of straw man argument as it remains one of many metrics used to distort *actual* trends in the labour markets.
This isn't a pop at the Conservatives, mind you as Labour before them, used similar tactics.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you show me which year this happened please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed?"
"The ONS confirmed that was the case."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46264291
When it came in is a bit of straw man argument as it remains one of many metrics used to distort *actual* trends in the labour markets.
This isn't a pop at the Conservatives, mind you as Labour before them, used similar tactics.
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Yeah but the stats has been used since 2000 so......it looks like it was Labour that introduced it AND started using it to improve the appearance of unemployment.
I have no doubt that the conservatives would have done the same but it looks to be Labour who did that.
Either way as the ONS quite rightly states, it’s a pretty small figure that doesn’t make a huge distortion in the figures.
I agree with how mu52 put it; both do wrong and both do right.
They’ve been so bloody similar for decades now I just don’t get how people still think of it as the 70s and 80s.
All of them are surfers, I think we can all agree on that
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just one example,
Unemployment figures are always manipulated by the ruling Government which is why:
(A) You shouldn't believe them.
(B) You shouldn't compare them.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
------------------------------------------------------------------
What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just one example,
Unemployment figures are always manipulated by the ruling Government which is why:
(A) You shouldn't believe them.
(B) You shouldn't compare them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that’s a bit of a cop out tbh
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
------------------------------------------------------------------
What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
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and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).
“ and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).”
Yes they work for some people. However employers are using them for far more than for some people. Most retail, carting & hospitality, construction etc industries use them across the board. Not for the minority they are convenient for. They do this because the cards are stacked in their favour.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not everything the Conservatives do is bad.
Not everything Labour does is good.
But Labour believe in a more equal society, the Conservatives don't.
So Labour gets my vote.
Both sides make foul ups.
At the moment it's Boris' turn to make them and he's grabbing the opportunity with both hands.
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Fair dat
Seems that w@nkers are still gonna be w@nkers.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 20 minutes ago
“ and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).”
Yes they work for some people. However employers are using them for far more than for some people. Most retail, carting & hospitality, construction etc industries use them across the board. Not for the minority they are convenient for. They do this because the cards are stacked in their favour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Most" That's some claim.
And of that most, how many employees are dissatisfied with it? Is that also "most"
Again you fall into the trap of considering every use of these contracts in these sectors is either unfair or in the employers sole interest.
Yes in some circumstances they put people in an uncertain financial/employment position. But of the 3% or so of the workforce on these you cannot tell me how many are caught in this working poverty trap and how many are absolutley happy with the arrangements. I know a couple delivery drivers who are on these, get plenty of work and can turn down work when suits or do extra if offered them. Many use it to their advantage, will have more than one job and work smart.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 20 minutes ago
“ and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).”
Yes they work for some people. However employers are using them for far more than for some people. Most retail, carting & hospitality, construction etc industries use them across the board. Not for the minority they are convenient for. They do this because the cards are stacked in their favour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Most" That's some claim.
And of that most, how many employees are dissatisfied with it? Is that also "most"
Again you fall into the trap of considering every use of these contracts in these sectors is either unfair or in the employers sole interest.
Yes in some circumstances they put people in an uncertain financial/employment position. But of the 3% or so of the workforce on these you cannot tell me how many are caught in this working poverty trap and how many are absolutley happy with the arrangements. I know a couple delivery drivers who are on these, get plenty of work and can turn down work when suits or do extra if offered them. Many use it to their advantage, will have more than one job and work smart.
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Bet you can’t find a job in the above sectors not on ZHC’s.
I employ people on ZHC’s as part of my job. The majority can’t stand them and aren’t happy about it. Obviously I can’t extrapolate that to the wider population . However if ZHC’s work well for ‘some’ people that implies it doesn’t for those not in that ‘some’ category.
I’m just going off my experience not an empirical study.
There is certainly a balance to be had. They help some smaller businesses who cannot afford to employ FT staff at time when perhaps demand etc is down, but they are also exploited by companies who really do not need have such flexibility, who should be able to absorb the cost of full time staff in fluctuating markets. McDs uses or used to use them and i think such massive companies like this should not be allowed to. Multi Billion valued company making 10s to 100s of millions in profit. I recall some time ago they switched to offering employees the option, so it clearly does work for some people, but these should never be allowed to prevent employees from also having other work. That really does load it all in the employers favour and potentially limit the employees earning potential
Wetherspoons uses zero hour contracts and it's brutal. To be fair it's only a very small sample I asked, but they could go from working 50 hours a week to 10. That's before you fall out with the manager for daring not to take a shift. How can you plan your life let alone budget on that?
There will be people who are able to exploit the situation to suit themselves, but labour laws are there to protect everyone. The 3% you're talking about very largely don't have a choice - these are crappy jobs we're talking about which typically pay a third less than regular contracts. For me, it's up there with food banks as an indicator of how badly the UK is doing in the quality-of-life stakes.
Dev
It’s all loaded in the employers favour. I work in a business that has quiet periods. I have to sack people off for months on end. You can’t ask for employees to commit to working for you if they know they’re going to be sacked off/have hours reduced the minute it gets quiet.
We pay holidays luckily. However there are plenty out there that don’t. Of your hours reduce you’re fooled basically.
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posted on 21/5/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you show me which year this happened please?
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you show me which year this happened please?
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Pretty sure it started under an act from 1998 and the ons have been including it since then and that this number has declined steadily from then until now.
I could be wrong of course.
posted on 21/5/20
Not everything the Conservatives do is bad.
Not everything Labour does is good.
But Labour believe in a more equal society, the Conservatives don't.
So Labour gets my vote.
Both sides make foul ups.
At the moment it's Boris' turn to make them and he's grabbing the opportunity with both hands.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you show me which year this happened please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed?"
"The ONS confirmed that was the case."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46264291
When it came in is a bit of straw man argument as it remains one of many metrics used to distort *actual* trends in the labour markets.
This isn't a pop at the Conservatives, mind you as Labour before them, used similar tactics.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
------------------------------------------------------------------
What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you show me which year this happened please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed?"
"The ONS confirmed that was the case."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46264291
When it came in is a bit of straw man argument as it remains one of many metrics used to distort *actual* trends in the labour markets.
This isn't a pop at the Conservatives, mind you as Labour before them, used similar tactics.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah but the stats has been used since 2000 so......it looks like it was Labour that introduced it AND started using it to improve the appearance of unemployment.
I have no doubt that the conservatives would have done the same but it looks to be Labour who did that.
Either way as the ONS quite rightly states, it’s a pretty small figure that doesn’t make a huge distortion in the figures.
I agree with how mu52 put it; both do wrong and both do right.
They’ve been so bloody similar for decades now I just don’t get how people still think of it as the 70s and 80s.
All of them are surfers, I think we can all agree on that
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just one example,
Unemployment figures are always manipulated by the ruling Government which is why:
(A) You shouldn't believe them.
(B) You shouldn't compare them.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
------------------------------------------------------------------
What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just one example,
Unemployment figures are always manipulated by the ruling Government which is why:
(A) You shouldn't believe them.
(B) You shouldn't compare them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that’s a bit of a cop out tbh
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
------------------------------------------------------------------
What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).
posted on 21/5/20
“ and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).”
Yes they work for some people. However employers are using them for far more than for some people. Most retail, carting & hospitality, construction etc industries use them across the board. Not for the minority they are convenient for. They do this because the cards are stacked in their favour.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not everything the Conservatives do is bad.
Not everything Labour does is good.
But Labour believe in a more equal society, the Conservatives don't.
So Labour gets my vote.
Both sides make foul ups.
At the moment it's Boris' turn to make them and he's grabbing the opportunity with both hands.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair dat
posted on 21/5/20
Seems that w@nkers are still gonna be w@nkers.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 20 minutes ago
“ and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).”
Yes they work for some people. However employers are using them for far more than for some people. Most retail, carting & hospitality, construction etc industries use them across the board. Not for the minority they are convenient for. They do this because the cards are stacked in their favour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Most" That's some claim.
And of that most, how many employees are dissatisfied with it? Is that also "most"
Again you fall into the trap of considering every use of these contracts in these sectors is either unfair or in the employers sole interest.
Yes in some circumstances they put people in an uncertain financial/employment position. But of the 3% or so of the workforce on these you cannot tell me how many are caught in this working poverty trap and how many are absolutley happy with the arrangements. I know a couple delivery drivers who are on these, get plenty of work and can turn down work when suits or do extra if offered them. Many use it to their advantage, will have more than one job and work smart.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 20 minutes ago
“ and not only that, ZHCs work very well for some people.
When people discuss them they assume they are all evil and exploitation of workers. They are not. There is flexibility on both sides (employee/employer).”
Yes they work for some people. However employers are using them for far more than for some people. Most retail, carting & hospitality, construction etc industries use them across the board. Not for the minority they are convenient for. They do this because the cards are stacked in their favour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Most" That's some claim.
And of that most, how many employees are dissatisfied with it? Is that also "most"
Again you fall into the trap of considering every use of these contracts in these sectors is either unfair or in the employers sole interest.
Yes in some circumstances they put people in an uncertain financial/employment position. But of the 3% or so of the workforce on these you cannot tell me how many are caught in this working poverty trap and how many are absolutley happy with the arrangements. I know a couple delivery drivers who are on these, get plenty of work and can turn down work when suits or do extra if offered them. Many use it to their advantage, will have more than one job and work smart.
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Bet you can’t find a job in the above sectors not on ZHC’s.
I employ people on ZHC’s as part of my job. The majority can’t stand them and aren’t happy about it. Obviously I can’t extrapolate that to the wider population . However if ZHC’s work well for ‘some’ people that implies it doesn’t for those not in that ‘some’ category.
I’m just going off my experience not an empirical study.
posted on 21/5/20
There is certainly a balance to be had. They help some smaller businesses who cannot afford to employ FT staff at time when perhaps demand etc is down, but they are also exploited by companies who really do not need have such flexibility, who should be able to absorb the cost of full time staff in fluctuating markets. McDs uses or used to use them and i think such massive companies like this should not be allowed to. Multi Billion valued company making 10s to 100s of millions in profit. I recall some time ago they switched to offering employees the option, so it clearly does work for some people, but these should never be allowed to prevent employees from also having other work. That really does load it all in the employers favour and potentially limit the employees earning potential
posted on 21/5/20
Wetherspoons uses zero hour contracts and it's brutal. To be fair it's only a very small sample I asked, but they could go from working 50 hours a week to 10. That's before you fall out with the manager for daring not to take a shift. How can you plan your life let alone budget on that?
There will be people who are able to exploit the situation to suit themselves, but labour laws are there to protect everyone. The 3% you're talking about very largely don't have a choice - these are crappy jobs we're talking about which typically pay a third less than regular contracts. For me, it's up there with food banks as an indicator of how badly the UK is doing in the quality-of-life stakes.
posted on 21/5/20
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It’s all loaded in the employers favour. I work in a business that has quiet periods. I have to sack people off for months on end. You can’t ask for employees to commit to working for you if they know they’re going to be sacked off/have hours reduced the minute it gets quiet.
We pay holidays luckily. However there are plenty out there that don’t. Of your hours reduce you’re fooled basically.
posted on 21/5/20
^very likely/largely.
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