The BBC News has declined significantly in recent years. Specially the online "news". They are continually diluting there qualitybjournalism with
clickbait none news articles that are suited to some of red tops and OK magazine
There is a difference in giving personal opinions and giving an objective assessment of things that have happened. I assume this is to do with the Newsnight controversy. What Maitlis did wasn't to offer a personal opinion. Cummings did break lockdown rules and people were angry and the British government have been behaving appallingly in protecting him.
The job of a journalist is not to say, 'BoJo says this and Starmer says that', it's to tell the truth about what is going on.
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
There is a difference in giving personal opinions and giving an objective assessment of things that have happened. I assume this is to do with the Newsnight controversy. What Maitlis did wasn't to offer a personal opinion. Cummings did break lockdown rules and people were angry and the British government have been behaving appallingly in protecting him.
The job of a journalist is not to say, 'BoJo says this and Starmer says that', it's to tell the truth about what is going on.
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And she redeemed herself even further when the police concluded that Cummings did breach the guideline rules, and yet no apology from the BBC.
I think there are different forms of journalism but quality journalism is quality journalism whether it comes with opinion or not and the cornerstone of that is truth.
The Government are now telling the press what questions they can and can't ask whilst new rules don't even allow some journalists in.
We're about one step from an oligarchy and I'm not even being mellow dramatic.
Do you notice that CNN,an American news company seems to be filled to the brim with British reporters and journo's,and I must say, that they seem on the whole ,better and less biased than their American counterparts,just my observations!
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
There is a difference in giving personal opinions and giving an objective assessment of things that have happened. I assume this is to do with the Newsnight controversy. What Maitlis did wasn't to offer a personal opinion. Cummings did break lockdown rules and people were angry and the British government have been behaving appallingly in protecting him.
The job of a journalist is not to say, 'BoJo says this and Starmer says that', it's to tell the truth about what is going on.
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And she redeemed herself even further when the police concluded that Cummings did breach the guideline rules, and yet no apology from the BBC.
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Compare this to the government PR job that Kuennsberg does
Never realised this until I had a chat with a mate, CNN has a habit of posting fake news. Trump has a point here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
Never realised this until I had a chat with a mate, CNN has a habit of posting fake news. Trump has a point here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies
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this again is due to them not doing the fact check at times. Let's say a story breaks and it is very hot or topical they willing to report it as facts rather than clear highlight that it is yet to be fully verified
on a percentage scale it is a very small percetage but it damages the integrity of the brand. And people like trump can dismiss even the truth as reported by CNN as fake news.
Trump does have a point sometimes on that but as a massive liar himself and overall generally a bit dim which means just saying wrong things by accident as well he should shut tfu about it really.
Watch every news channel and read as many newspapers and online sources as you can and use the intelligence you’ve gained through life up until this point and decide for yourself.
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BBC.
SKY News.
CNN.
AL Jazeera.
Euronews.
Fox.
Perhaps we should have a league table !
I go for ,
CNN.
AL Jazeera.
Sky News.
BBC .
Euronews.
and Fox down the bottom.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Up until 3 years ago, I had a pretty solid trust in 'objective media' like BBC, CNN, Guardian, NYT, etc and shunned blatant biased media like FOX, Daily Mail.
Then I started noticing some hidden biases in those objective media mostly born from self-interest and objectives. Some examples:
-There was a huge, almost subjective outrage/fever in reporting when it became clear Russia meddled in UKpolitics with disinformation and campaigns supporting a particular candidate, but not nearly as much when it appeared the US was actually doing the same thing.
-Nowadays using Chinese tech suppliers (Huawei 5G) is made a very big deal, not reporting on the elephant in the room which is that the US is as much of a competitor/threat AND has admitted in the 80s-20s it has tapped European industry/political leaders to gain decisive economical advantages for their own industries.
-We all don't like China and how its dealing with HK protesters (the peacefull or violent ones), hence the outrage. But once it's starting in our own backyard the moral highground is suddenly gone and they go silent: Extinction Rebellion getting arrested for occupying public transport, BLM-protesters in the US getting teargassed and the riotting/plundering ones getting shot at with live ammo with as of now several heavy injured.
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good - no-one
OK - BBC, Al Jazeera, Euronews
Trash - CNN, Sky News, Fox
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mostly agree
Although there is a evel way worse than trash - RT.
I tried watching it to get a balanced view a few times but it does things to my brain I imagine CNN does to Fox loving americans brains
As Robb said it is not about which is best but understanding what the agenda of the source you are watching/reading if any, so you do not end up a puppet.
The fact that we're even having this conversation means that half the battle has already been lost.
I've spent most of my career operating out of company projects in the 3rd world; and the first thing the demagogues attack is always the free press.
I've seen it a million times. Erode trust in every other media outlet and then throw all your considerable political influence behind bootlickers sympathetic to your world view. Rinse and repeat.
people will believe the media that pushes the message they believe in
The BBC is basically a state broadcaster. Without the government, they don't receive their license fee tax. So ofcourse the BBC never go against the government on any issue. They are pro-war, pro-Israel, pro-royal family, etc.
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
CNN news is just as bad as Fox, but people on that side of politics always have a problem with admitting their own biases.
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Whilst CNN isn’t particularly a shining beacon of news telling it isn’t remotely close to being as bad as Fox News.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 15 minutes ago
The BBC is basically a state broadcaster. Without the government, they don't receive their license fee tax. So ofcourse the BBC never go against the government on any issue. They are pro-war, pro-Israel, pro-royal family, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good summary
The BBC must have changed a lot because In the early part of my life they were mostly Labour biased.
They do have a good reputation with BBC World News though.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
CNN news is just as bad as Fox, but people on that side of politics always have a problem with admitting their own biases.
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Whilst CNN isn’t particularly a shining beacon of news telling it isn’t remotely close to being as bad as Fox News.
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The fringe elements of the past have been very successful at using this crude form of moral equivalency to increase their profile in recent years.
We've seen them symbolically equate a mild stomach upset with Ebola and get away with it.
The Tories have been attacking the BBC for for years and years. I'm not surprised they've buckled a bit tbh. It's not so much their reporting really but rather what they don't report that I have a problem with.
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posted on 29/5/20
The BBC News has declined significantly in recent years. Specially the online "news". They are continually diluting there qualitybjournalism with
clickbait none news articles that are suited to some of red tops and OK magazine
posted on 29/5/20
There is a difference in giving personal opinions and giving an objective assessment of things that have happened. I assume this is to do with the Newsnight controversy. What Maitlis did wasn't to offer a personal opinion. Cummings did break lockdown rules and people were angry and the British government have been behaving appallingly in protecting him.
The job of a journalist is not to say, 'BoJo says this and Starmer says that', it's to tell the truth about what is going on.
posted on 29/5/20
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
There is a difference in giving personal opinions and giving an objective assessment of things that have happened. I assume this is to do with the Newsnight controversy. What Maitlis did wasn't to offer a personal opinion. Cummings did break lockdown rules and people were angry and the British government have been behaving appallingly in protecting him.
The job of a journalist is not to say, 'BoJo says this and Starmer says that', it's to tell the truth about what is going on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And she redeemed herself even further when the police concluded that Cummings did breach the guideline rules, and yet no apology from the BBC.
posted on 29/5/20
I think there are different forms of journalism but quality journalism is quality journalism whether it comes with opinion or not and the cornerstone of that is truth.
The Government are now telling the press what questions they can and can't ask whilst new rules don't even allow some journalists in.
We're about one step from an oligarchy and I'm not even being mellow dramatic.
posted on 29/5/20
Do you notice that CNN,an American news company seems to be filled to the brim with British reporters and journo's,and I must say, that they seem on the whole ,better and less biased than their American counterparts,just my observations!
posted on 29/5/20
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
There is a difference in giving personal opinions and giving an objective assessment of things that have happened. I assume this is to do with the Newsnight controversy. What Maitlis did wasn't to offer a personal opinion. Cummings did break lockdown rules and people were angry and the British government have been behaving appallingly in protecting him.
The job of a journalist is not to say, 'BoJo says this and Starmer says that', it's to tell the truth about what is going on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And she redeemed herself even further when the police concluded that Cummings did breach the guideline rules, and yet no apology from the BBC.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Compare this to the government PR job that Kuennsberg does
posted on 29/5/20
Never realised this until I had a chat with a mate, CNN has a habit of posting fake news. Trump has a point here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies
posted on 29/5/20
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
Never realised this until I had a chat with a mate, CNN has a habit of posting fake news. Trump has a point here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this again is due to them not doing the fact check at times. Let's say a story breaks and it is very hot or topical they willing to report it as facts rather than clear highlight that it is yet to be fully verified
on a percentage scale it is a very small percetage but it damages the integrity of the brand. And people like trump can dismiss even the truth as reported by CNN as fake news.
posted on 29/5/20
Trump does have a point sometimes on that but as a massive liar himself and overall generally a bit dim which means just saying wrong things by accident as well he should shut tfu about it really.
posted on 29/5/20
Clinton News Network.
posted on 29/5/20
id fight both of them
posted on 29/5/20
Watch every news channel and read as many newspapers and online sources as you can and use the intelligence you’ve gained through life up until this point and decide for yourself.
posted on 29/5/20
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posted on 29/5/20
BBC.
SKY News.
CNN.
AL Jazeera.
Euronews.
Fox.
Perhaps we should have a league table !
I go for ,
CNN.
AL Jazeera.
Sky News.
BBC .
Euronews.
and Fox down the bottom.
posted on 29/5/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 29/5/20
Up until 3 years ago, I had a pretty solid trust in 'objective media' like BBC, CNN, Guardian, NYT, etc and shunned blatant biased media like FOX, Daily Mail.
Then I started noticing some hidden biases in those objective media mostly born from self-interest and objectives. Some examples:
-There was a huge, almost subjective outrage/fever in reporting when it became clear Russia meddled in UKpolitics with disinformation and campaigns supporting a particular candidate, but not nearly as much when it appeared the US was actually doing the same thing.
-Nowadays using Chinese tech suppliers (Huawei 5G) is made a very big deal, not reporting on the elephant in the room which is that the US is as much of a competitor/threat AND has admitted in the 80s-20s it has tapped European industry/political leaders to gain decisive economical advantages for their own industries.
-We all don't like China and how its dealing with HK protesters (the peacefull or violent ones), hence the outrage. But once it's starting in our own backyard the moral highground is suddenly gone and they go silent: Extinction Rebellion getting arrested for occupying public transport, BLM-protesters in the US getting teargassed and the riotting/plundering ones getting shot at with live ammo with as of now several heavy injured.
posted on 29/5/20
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good - no-one
OK - BBC, Al Jazeera, Euronews
Trash - CNN, Sky News, Fox
----------------------------------------------------------------------
mostly agree
Although there is a evel way worse than trash - RT.
I tried watching it to get a balanced view a few times but it does things to my brain I imagine CNN does to Fox loving americans brains
As Robb said it is not about which is best but understanding what the agenda of the source you are watching/reading if any, so you do not end up a puppet.
posted on 29/5/20
The fact that we're even having this conversation means that half the battle has already been lost.
I've spent most of my career operating out of company projects in the 3rd world; and the first thing the demagogues attack is always the free press.
I've seen it a million times. Erode trust in every other media outlet and then throw all your considerable political influence behind bootlickers sympathetic to your world view. Rinse and repeat.
posted on 29/5/20
people will believe the media that pushes the message they believe in
posted on 29/5/20
The BBC is basically a state broadcaster. Without the government, they don't receive their license fee tax. So ofcourse the BBC never go against the government on any issue. They are pro-war, pro-Israel, pro-royal family, etc.
posted on 29/5/20
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
CNN news is just as bad as Fox, but people on that side of politics always have a problem with admitting their own biases.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst CNN isn’t particularly a shining beacon of news telling it isn’t remotely close to being as bad as Fox News.
posted on 29/5/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 15 minutes ago
The BBC is basically a state broadcaster. Without the government, they don't receive their license fee tax. So ofcourse the BBC never go against the government on any issue. They are pro-war, pro-Israel, pro-royal family, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good summary
posted on 29/5/20
The BBC must have changed a lot because In the early part of my life they were mostly Labour biased.
They do have a good reputation with BBC World News though.
posted on 29/5/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
CNN news is just as bad as Fox, but people on that side of politics always have a problem with admitting their own biases.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst CNN isn’t particularly a shining beacon of news telling it isn’t remotely close to being as bad as Fox News.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The fringe elements of the past have been very successful at using this crude form of moral equivalency to increase their profile in recent years.
We've seen them symbolically equate a mild stomach upset with Ebola and get away with it.
posted on 29/5/20
The Tories have been attacking the BBC for for years and years. I'm not surprised they've buckled a bit tbh. It's not so much their reporting really but rather what they don't report that I have a problem with.
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