comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Christopher (U20930)
I understand what you're saying but this is a world record transfer fee player.
He shouldn't have these glaring weaknesses.
If he were picked up for a reasonable fee then maybe Klopp would work with him. But for the money he demands, both in fee and wages, he just wouldn't be in their thinking at all.
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But if those glaring weaknesses aren't gonna really come into play in a better team then why would klopp care right?
Like yes it is a bit of a joke that a player who cost that much doesn't play hard unless the team is good enough for his standards - but for klopp who knows he has a good enough team to retain that level from pogba then why should he care?
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Naby8 (U6997)
Hard to say - given how well two of the three shoulder the burder when one is out.
I have openly said I was wrong about you being overly reliant on Salah a couple of years ago.
I can see your point but you seem to cope well when one is injured.
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We've coped well but I'm not sure how long they can all keep playing the number of games that they do. They're 28, 28 and 27 now - so peak years but within 18 months or so it would be good to reduce the games from the 50+ they play atm to circa 40. That would mean a higher quality replacement than Origi imo (caveat that I've not seen enough of Minamino yet).
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Fair dos
Christopher (U20930)
I think they would be there though - I don't see that he'd change his personality under a different manager.
Fair enough, it's a total hypothetical as things stand
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 seconds ago
Fair enough, it's a total hypothetical as things stand
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Indeed it is, but don't expect Klopp or Pep to be queuing around the block to prove us right or wrong!
Man United have the better goalie as well.
2012 called and it wants its opinion back.
Currently you'd have to rank Alisson above De Gea, but there's no reason why that can't change.
De Gea was absolutely superb for a long period and it's early days for Alisson.
Every chance that won't happen but going on current performance, you can't really go with DDG, sandy.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
Currently you'd have to rank Alisson above De Gea, but there's no reason why that can't change.
De Gea was absolutely superb for a long period and it's early days for Alisson.
Every chance that won't happen but going on current performance, you can't really go with DDG, sandy.
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Alisson is a top keeper but not exactly error free and I suppose his errors have been less noticeable as he is a successful team.
I really don't know where this error thing comes from with Allison. He's easily the best keeper I've ever seen at Liverpool or certainly back to Clemence. It's a bit of a myth. I think people have been watching Adrian or something.
PSxG +/-
DDG (17/18) +12.4
DDG (19/20) -0.1
Alisson (19/20) +4.6
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 32 seconds ago
PSxG +/-
DDG (17/18) +12.4
DDG (19/20) -0.1
Alisson (19/20) +4.6
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What stat is that Chris?
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
I really don't know where this error thing comes from with Allison. He's easily the best keeper I've ever seen at Liverpool or certainly back to Clemence. It's a bit of a myth. I think people have been watching Adrian or something.
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He’s quality but he certainly hasn’t been error free since joining. Some have been punished others haven’t.
Post shot expected goals
It's basically xG but instead of using information collected before the shot is taken (so the quality of the chance) it only uses information taken from after the shot is taken (so the quality of the shot). It's really good for evaluating keepers because it doesn't include shots that were off target.
Basically it means that over the course of the 17/18 season you would have expected De Gea to concede 12 more goals than he did based on the quality of the shots he was facing.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I really don't know where this error thing comes from with Allison. He's easily the best keeper I've ever seen at Liverpool or certainly back to Clemence. It's a bit of a myth. I think people have been watching Adrian or something.
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Talksport (I know - pinch of salt) ran an article last year saying that Alisson had cost Liverpool more points than any other player, I seem to recall.
No idea how valid it was.
There was also a high profile European mistake as I recall.
Uuurgh not a fan of exlected.
At the end of the day Allison has made 3 errors leading to goals in 58 Prem games.
I think DDG is on 8 or 9 in that time.
We play a very high line and I wouldn't chanfe Allison for any keeper in the world and if I did it certainly wouldnt be DDG. Im almost certain we'd still be in the FA cup and CL if we'd had Allison available.
Talksport could be right literally but weve lost 2 games in 58 so it sound like stat manipulation to me.
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Uuurgh not a fan of exlected.
At the end of the day Allison has made 3 errors leading to goals in 58 Prem games.
I think DDG is on 8 or 9 in that time.
We play a very high line and I wouldn't chanfe Allison for any keeper in the world and if I did it certainly wouldnt be DDG. Im almost certain we'd still be in the FA cup and CL if we'd had Allison available.
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CL maybe but I still think Adrian would played in the cup. Surprised Klopp didn’t take it more seriously.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Uuurgh not a fan of exlected.
At the end of the day Allison has made 3 errors leading to goals in 58 Prem games.
I think DDG is on 8 or 9 in that time.
We play a very high line and I wouldn't chanfe Allison for any keeper in the world and if I did it certainly wouldnt be DDG. Im almost certain we'd still be in the FA cup and CL if we'd had Allison available.
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CL maybe but I still think Adrian would played in the cup. Surprised Klopp didn’t take it more seriously.
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He just doesnt rate it. It's the one thing that bugs the sh!t put of me abput him.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 58 seconds ago
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
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I get the feeling he's just not that into football anymore. Been awful for Spain too. He looks like he's got bang into heroin tbh.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
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It’s a little bit why these team comparisons are so subjective.
DDG could easily just be in a sustained run of bad form, however if he becomes the player he was. Then he is the best GK in the league and probably world.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
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It’s a little bit why these team comparisons are so subjective.
DDG could easily just be in a sustained run of bad form, however if he becomes the player he was. Then he is the best GK in the league and probably world.
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I dont think he suits modern football at all.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Talksport could be right literally but weve lost 2 games in 58 so it sound like stat manipulation to me.
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Points gained or lost is usually a load of crap to be fair.
It never takes into account what might have happened otherwise.
Wouldn't say pogba is over rated as we have seen what he is capable, and he can be top tier
It's his lack of application/interest that seems questionable. May be a better player than all Liverpool mf options but the worst player out of them for the system Liverpool play. Something clearly isn't right at united with him though all nd imo they should cash him in or swap him.
De gea is probably man u best player of the last decade but again, not are his heads in it atm. Always seemed a pretty low key guy and I feel he would improve Liverpool squad more than any other man u player, even if he wouldn't start ahead of Alison.
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posted on 2/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Christopher (U20930)
I understand what you're saying but this is a world record transfer fee player.
He shouldn't have these glaring weaknesses.
If he were picked up for a reasonable fee then maybe Klopp would work with him. But for the money he demands, both in fee and wages, he just wouldn't be in their thinking at all.
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But if those glaring weaknesses aren't gonna really come into play in a better team then why would klopp care right?
Like yes it is a bit of a joke that a player who cost that much doesn't play hard unless the team is good enough for his standards - but for klopp who knows he has a good enough team to retain that level from pogba then why should he care?
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Naby8 (U6997)
Hard to say - given how well two of the three shoulder the burder when one is out.
I have openly said I was wrong about you being overly reliant on Salah a couple of years ago.
I can see your point but you seem to cope well when one is injured.
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We've coped well but I'm not sure how long they can all keep playing the number of games that they do. They're 28, 28 and 27 now - so peak years but within 18 months or so it would be good to reduce the games from the 50+ they play atm to circa 40. That would mean a higher quality replacement than Origi imo (caveat that I've not seen enough of Minamino yet).
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Fair dos
posted on 2/6/20
Christopher (U20930)
I think they would be there though - I don't see that he'd change his personality under a different manager.
posted on 2/6/20
Fair enough, it's a total hypothetical as things stand
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 seconds ago
Fair enough, it's a total hypothetical as things stand
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Indeed it is, but don't expect Klopp or Pep to be queuing around the block to prove us right or wrong!
posted on 2/6/20
Man United have the better goalie as well.
posted on 2/6/20
2012 called and it wants its opinion back.
posted on 2/6/20
Currently you'd have to rank Alisson above De Gea, but there's no reason why that can't change.
De Gea was absolutely superb for a long period and it's early days for Alisson.
Every chance that won't happen but going on current performance, you can't really go with DDG, sandy.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
Currently you'd have to rank Alisson above De Gea, but there's no reason why that can't change.
De Gea was absolutely superb for a long period and it's early days for Alisson.
Every chance that won't happen but going on current performance, you can't really go with DDG, sandy.
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Alisson is a top keeper but not exactly error free and I suppose his errors have been less noticeable as he is a successful team.
posted on 2/6/20
I really don't know where this error thing comes from with Allison. He's easily the best keeper I've ever seen at Liverpool or certainly back to Clemence. It's a bit of a myth. I think people have been watching Adrian or something.
posted on 2/6/20
PSxG +/-
DDG (17/18) +12.4
DDG (19/20) -0.1
Alisson (19/20) +4.6
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 32 seconds ago
PSxG +/-
DDG (17/18) +12.4
DDG (19/20) -0.1
Alisson (19/20) +4.6
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What stat is that Chris?
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
I really don't know where this error thing comes from with Allison. He's easily the best keeper I've ever seen at Liverpool or certainly back to Clemence. It's a bit of a myth. I think people have been watching Adrian or something.
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He’s quality but he certainly hasn’t been error free since joining. Some have been punished others haven’t.
posted on 2/6/20
Post shot expected goals
It's basically xG but instead of using information collected before the shot is taken (so the quality of the chance) it only uses information taken from after the shot is taken (so the quality of the shot). It's really good for evaluating keepers because it doesn't include shots that were off target.
Basically it means that over the course of the 17/18 season you would have expected De Gea to concede 12 more goals than he did based on the quality of the shots he was facing.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I really don't know where this error thing comes from with Allison. He's easily the best keeper I've ever seen at Liverpool or certainly back to Clemence. It's a bit of a myth. I think people have been watching Adrian or something.
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Talksport (I know - pinch of salt) ran an article last year saying that Alisson had cost Liverpool more points than any other player, I seem to recall.
No idea how valid it was.
There was also a high profile European mistake as I recall.
posted on 2/6/20
Uuurgh not a fan of exlected.
At the end of the day Allison has made 3 errors leading to goals in 58 Prem games.
I think DDG is on 8 or 9 in that time.
We play a very high line and I wouldn't chanfe Allison for any keeper in the world and if I did it certainly wouldnt be DDG. Im almost certain we'd still be in the FA cup and CL if we'd had Allison available.
posted on 2/6/20
Talksport could be right literally but weve lost 2 games in 58 so it sound like stat manipulation to me.
posted on 2/6/20
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Uuurgh not a fan of exlected.
At the end of the day Allison has made 3 errors leading to goals in 58 Prem games.
I think DDG is on 8 or 9 in that time.
We play a very high line and I wouldn't chanfe Allison for any keeper in the world and if I did it certainly wouldnt be DDG. Im almost certain we'd still be in the FA cup and CL if we'd had Allison available.
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CL maybe but I still think Adrian would played in the cup. Surprised Klopp didn’t take it more seriously.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Uuurgh not a fan of exlected.
At the end of the day Allison has made 3 errors leading to goals in 58 Prem games.
I think DDG is on 8 or 9 in that time.
We play a very high line and I wouldn't chanfe Allison for any keeper in the world and if I did it certainly wouldnt be DDG. Im almost certain we'd still be in the FA cup and CL if we'd had Allison available.
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CL maybe but I still think Adrian would played in the cup. Surprised Klopp didn’t take it more seriously.
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He just doesnt rate it. It's the one thing that bugs the sh!t put of me abput him.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 58 seconds ago
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
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I get the feeling he's just not that into football anymore. Been awful for Spain too. He looks like he's got bang into heroin tbh.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
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It’s a little bit why these team comparisons are so subjective.
DDG could easily just be in a sustained run of bad form, however if he becomes the player he was. Then he is the best GK in the league and probably world.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea falling off from being a super human who is single handedly stopping 12 goals a season and becoming keeper who lets in the exact number of goals he should do is wild though
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It’s a little bit why these team comparisons are so subjective.
DDG could easily just be in a sustained run of bad form, however if he becomes the player he was. Then he is the best GK in the league and probably world.
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I dont think he suits modern football at all.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
Talksport could be right literally but weve lost 2 games in 58 so it sound like stat manipulation to me.
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Points gained or lost is usually a load of crap to be fair.
It never takes into account what might have happened otherwise.
posted on 2/6/20
Wouldn't say pogba is over rated as we have seen what he is capable, and he can be top tier
It's his lack of application/interest that seems questionable. May be a better player than all Liverpool mf options but the worst player out of them for the system Liverpool play. Something clearly isn't right at united with him though all nd imo they should cash him in or swap him.
De gea is probably man u best player of the last decade but again, not are his heads in it atm. Always seemed a pretty low key guy and I feel he would improve Liverpool squad more than any other man u player, even if he wouldn't start ahead of Alison.
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