comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 43 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing negative about it whatsoever. Nothing.
In my experience people denigrate such actions so that they can a) feel superior b) give themselves a platform to tell everyone what they've done that is better c) show how woke they are
You couldnt possibly understand or care as much as they do. They're woke level ten, frontline wokers, not some level 2 woke minion who merely shows support. LOOK AT ME, IM BETTER THAN YOU.
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There is irony overload in this post.
This is the exact problem with the people posting this crap on social media, not the people actually doing something and suggesting there's a better way.
Your assumption that people who raise awareness through the blackout movement are doing that and fack all else is why this conversation is going nowhere.
No doubt there's some who do that and no doubt there's some who do a lot more or don't even get involved in a blackout post but take more direct action.
Instead of saying how great you are compared to others why not do something constructive and make a post telling people who are engaged of other ways they can have an impact
CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
I haven't assumed that and have said the exact opposite.
Perhaps it's your desperation to argue and make it personal that's the problem.
There was no intention from me to post what I do. People asked me, so I told them.
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 9 minutes ago
Your assumption that people who raise awareness through the blackout movement are doing that and fack all else is why this conversation is going nowhere.
No doubt there's some who do that and no doubt there's some who do a lot more or don't even get involved in a blackout post but take more direct action.
Instead of saying how great you are compared to others why not do something constructive and make a post telling people who are engaged of other ways they can have an impact
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Just on that, biggest thing to me initially is education. I'd have loved it if the movement had been posts to certain books for everyone to read. It needs people to understand root causes, not just the symptoms, if there's ever going to be real change. Otherwise, it is ultimately just lip service until the next incident lights the fireworks again.
I don't overly mind the blackout posts. It is at least people saying "I'm not racist, I'm not a tw8t". Good for them, we need less tw8ts in the world and it's a starting point at least. It is needed for people to not just not be tw8ts though if we're ever going to have true change.
meltonblue (U10617)
It's a fair point, but how many people are actually openly racist?
What percentage of people would actually not post a message of support because they agree with racism?
It's like the England Twitter account telling us that we're all on the same team.
As if we didn't know that they think that already?
I really think a huge majority of people don't have the first clue about the real issues and posting up something on their Facebook page is nice and easy, makes them feel warm and enables them to move on.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
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Very true on the company front.
I have worked for multinationals the past 25 years and they project this caring compassionate nature but in reality they do not give a fook.
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
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Very true on the company front.
I have worked for multinationals the past 25 years and they project this caring compassionate nature but in reality they do not give a fook.
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Lots of them are just to win awards. Really winds me up.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
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I'm not sneering.
I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.
You're welcome to disagree with me but for fack sake, stop making it personal.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true on the company front.
I have worked for multinationals the past 25 years and they project this caring compassionate nature but in reality they do not give a fook.
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Lots of them are just to win awards. Really winds me up.
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They are the same with employees. You are a number written in pencil so it is easy to rub out
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
meltonblue (U10617)
It's a fair point, but how many people are actually openly racist?
What percentage of people would actually not post a message of support because they agree with racism?
It's like the England Twitter account telling us that we're all on the same team.
As if we didn't know that they think that already?
I really think a huge majority of people don't have the first clue about the real issues and posting up something on their Facebook page is nice and easy, makes them feel warm and enables them to move on.
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Well, quite. I was making the same point, albeit less explicitly!
Irishred (U2539)
Absolutely right.
Very few companies actually have a genuine brand purpose.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
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I'm not sneering.
I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.
You're welcome to disagree with me but for fack sake, stop making it personal.
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Stop being so bloody sensitive, you made the thread about you and frequently put in killer statements along the lines of "I'm not talking to you anymore" as if your voice is more important
“ I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.”
Says who? You only have to listen to radio stations /media taking part yesterday, and black presenters giving their experience. Out of this those in the music industry made a very valid point. They said you want our culture but you don’t want us. Very true IMO. It’s also sparked debate across the world. But most of all it the tells a group that feel vulnerable & persecuted we’re all with them irrespective of colour.
Tell us specifically what affect had anything you’ve done had?
CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
And there you go again.
I won't bother engaging unless you can write a post that doesn't make it about me - it's a waste of time.
Let me know if you ever want a decent conversation.
meltonblue (U10617)
Sorry, yes - just elaborating on your view!
Tbh Winston I'm only here because I see the harm you're doing to a cause by gatekeeping it 💁🏻♂️
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
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I'm not sneering.
I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.
You're welcome to disagree with me but for fack sake, stop making it personal.
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Stop being so bloody sensitive, you made the thread about you and frequently put in killer statements along the lines of "I'm not talking to you anymore" as if your voice is more important
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Notice he ignored the 3 paragraphs and you tube link but concentrated on the last sentence.
This is what he does when people question his, often ridiculous, opinions.
There are people I know who don't get involved in activism but are tentatively doing something for the first time now
Would hate for them to be put off because someone thinks their initial effort makes them a sheep or something
Leicester the latest to get down on their knee.
I wonder if it'll get to a point where clubs that don't have their picture taken doing this will be judged.
Winston
Just been reading an interesting piece about Fred Hampton, the FBI their organisation COINTELPRO and cocert operations against the black panthers.
What are your thoughts?
Fields, if you have a point to make then make it.
If I think we can discuss it then I will reply. If not, I won’t.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
Fields, if you have a point to make then make it.
If I think we can discuss it then I will reply. If not, I won’t.
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I asked a question. That’s all.
Sign in if you want to comment
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posted on 3/6/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 43 minutes ago
There is absolutely nothing negative about it whatsoever. Nothing.
In my experience people denigrate such actions so that they can a) feel superior b) give themselves a platform to tell everyone what they've done that is better c) show how woke they are
You couldnt possibly understand or care as much as they do. They're woke level ten, frontline wokers, not some level 2 woke minion who merely shows support. LOOK AT ME, IM BETTER THAN YOU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is irony overload in this post.
This is the exact problem with the people posting this crap on social media, not the people actually doing something and suggesting there's a better way.
posted on 3/6/20
Your assumption that people who raise awareness through the blackout movement are doing that and fack all else is why this conversation is going nowhere.
No doubt there's some who do that and no doubt there's some who do a lot more or don't even get involved in a blackout post but take more direct action.
Instead of saying how great you are compared to others why not do something constructive and make a post telling people who are engaged of other ways they can have an impact
posted on 3/6/20
CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
I haven't assumed that and have said the exact opposite.
Perhaps it's your desperation to argue and make it personal that's the problem.
There was no intention from me to post what I do. People asked me, so I told them.
posted on 3/6/20
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 9 minutes ago
Your assumption that people who raise awareness through the blackout movement are doing that and fack all else is why this conversation is going nowhere.
No doubt there's some who do that and no doubt there's some who do a lot more or don't even get involved in a blackout post but take more direct action.
Instead of saying how great you are compared to others why not do something constructive and make a post telling people who are engaged of other ways they can have an impact
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just on that, biggest thing to me initially is education. I'd have loved it if the movement had been posts to certain books for everyone to read. It needs people to understand root causes, not just the symptoms, if there's ever going to be real change. Otherwise, it is ultimately just lip service until the next incident lights the fireworks again.
I don't overly mind the blackout posts. It is at least people saying "I'm not racist, I'm not a tw8t". Good for them, we need less tw8ts in the world and it's a starting point at least. It is needed for people to not just not be tw8ts though if we're ever going to have true change.
posted on 3/6/20
meltonblue (U10617)
It's a fair point, but how many people are actually openly racist?
What percentage of people would actually not post a message of support because they agree with racism?
It's like the England Twitter account telling us that we're all on the same team.
As if we didn't know that they think that already?
I really think a huge majority of people don't have the first clue about the real issues and posting up something on their Facebook page is nice and easy, makes them feel warm and enables them to move on.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true on the company front.
I have worked for multinationals the past 25 years and they project this caring compassionate nature but in reality they do not give a fook.
posted on 3/6/20
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true on the company front.
I have worked for multinationals the past 25 years and they project this caring compassionate nature but in reality they do not give a fook.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lots of them are just to win awards. Really winds me up.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sneering.
I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.
You're welcome to disagree with me but for fack sake, stop making it personal.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'll give you another slant on this conversation, about companies and brands.
It has become fashionable for companies to project a brand purpose - to claim to stand for something, like gay rights or some sort of community focused approach.
There's a left leaning in marketing agencies and lots of companies have followed this route, with no actual link to their overall marketing strategy whatsoever. It's just fashionable.
When you dig a little deeper, you find these companies don't have equal pay, they don't have equality in their boardrooms and they don't pay their taxes.
It's all a lie.
A bit different to individuals, but not entirely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true on the company front.
I have worked for multinationals the past 25 years and they project this caring compassionate nature but in reality they do not give a fook.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lots of them are just to win awards. Really winds me up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are the same with employees. You are a number written in pencil so it is easy to rub out
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
meltonblue (U10617)
It's a fair point, but how many people are actually openly racist?
What percentage of people would actually not post a message of support because they agree with racism?
It's like the England Twitter account telling us that we're all on the same team.
As if we didn't know that they think that already?
I really think a huge majority of people don't have the first clue about the real issues and posting up something on their Facebook page is nice and easy, makes them feel warm and enables them to move on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, quite. I was making the same point, albeit less explicitly!
posted on 3/6/20
Irishred (U2539)
Absolutely right.
Very few companies actually have a genuine brand purpose.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sneering.
I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.
You're welcome to disagree with me but for fack sake, stop making it personal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stop being so bloody sensitive, you made the thread about you and frequently put in killer statements along the lines of "I'm not talking to you anymore" as if your voice is more important
posted on 3/6/20
“ I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.”
Says who? You only have to listen to radio stations /media taking part yesterday, and black presenters giving their experience. Out of this those in the music industry made a very valid point. They said you want our culture but you don’t want us. Very true IMO. It’s also sparked debate across the world. But most of all it the tells a group that feel vulnerable & persecuted we’re all with them irrespective of colour.
Tell us specifically what affect had anything you’ve done had?
posted on 3/6/20
CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
And there you go again.
I won't bother engaging unless you can write a post that doesn't make it about me - it's a waste of time.
Let me know if you ever want a decent conversation.
posted on 3/6/20
meltonblue (U10617)
Sorry, yes - just elaborating on your view!
posted on 3/6/20
Tbh Winston I'm only here because I see the harm you're doing to a cause by gatekeeping it 💁🏻♂️
posted on 3/6/20
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
If you look at each post individually then yeah it's just an individual's statement for whatever reason
When you look at it as a movement where people unaware or unconcerned log into their social media and see a wall/timeline of black screens it has greater weight
https://youtu.be/V74AxCqOTvg
A movement starts with one person taking the first step, on their own they're just an individual with a cause, each person who then joins (up to a tipping point) then exponentially makes the movement stronger
Anyone who sneers at those participating is more of a problem than they realise
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sneering.
I'm saying it achieves nothing and if anything, does more harm than good.
You're welcome to disagree with me but for fack sake, stop making it personal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stop being so bloody sensitive, you made the thread about you and frequently put in killer statements along the lines of "I'm not talking to you anymore" as if your voice is more important
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Notice he ignored the 3 paragraphs and you tube link but concentrated on the last sentence.
This is what he does when people question his, often ridiculous, opinions.
posted on 3/6/20
There are people I know who don't get involved in activism but are tentatively doing something for the first time now
Would hate for them to be put off because someone thinks their initial effort makes them a sheep or something
posted on 3/6/20
Leicester the latest to get down on their knee.
I wonder if it'll get to a point where clubs that don't have their picture taken doing this will be judged.
posted on 3/6/20
Maybe.
posted on 3/6/20
Winston
Just been reading an interesting piece about Fred Hampton, the FBI their organisation COINTELPRO and cocert operations against the black panthers.
What are your thoughts?
posted on 3/6/20
Fields, if you have a point to make then make it.
If I think we can discuss it then I will reply. If not, I won’t.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
Fields, if you have a point to make then make it.
If I think we can discuss it then I will reply. If not, I won’t.
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I asked a question. That’s all.
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