There is absolutely nothing negative about it whatsoever. Nothing.
In my experience people denigrate such actions so that they can a) feel superior b) give themselves a platform to tell everyone what they've done that is better c) show how woke they are
You couldnt possibly understand or care as much as they do. They're woke level ten, frontline wokers, not some level 2 woke minion who merely shows support. LOOK AT ME, IM BETTER THAN YOU.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
On a semi related note, has everyone posted their black box on their Facebook account so that they can feel assured they’ve done their bit?
#blackouttuesday
FFS.
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Idiotbook is for morons
We'll see the same with Pride.
Sometimes it's just good to raise awareness and get people to educate themselves. They may well then influence others and in the long run actually deal with the root of the cause.
Tbh this is all a bit like match going fans lording it over armchairs. Some kind of faux self flagellation screaming about how much time and effort they put in and no-one else has a place as worthy as theirs. Smacks of low self esteem to me.
If you flip it around and instead posted some kind of racist rhetoric that would be deemed negative and propogating hate so why is they other way around not positive and spreading love?
The answer of course is that it is and saying otherwise is like those people who film themselves doing good deeds.
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Raise awareness?
You think people seeing the black box haven't seen what's happening in America?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 seconds ago
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Raise awareness?
You think people seeing the black box haven't seen what's happening in America?
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I think there is a tendancy to see it as something happening a long way away that they have no influence on and no way of helping. It is easy for people - especially teenagers - to distance themselves and not take notice of such matters.
I remember coming back from LA after experiencing the Rodney King riots first hand and thinking it was the biggest talking point going. But it barely registered with my school mates.
As I said Robbing, it's very easy to say it's nice and anything critical is out of order etc etc.
But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.
That said, the way that some people behave on this forum, it isn't a huge surprise.
As an expert in advertising and someone who is active is trying to affect change in this particular subject, it is saddening at how disconnected with the age group who will be most active in social change you are.
You could have done so much good, yet you are clearly alienating those you should be inspiring.
“ But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.”
What’s the point when it won’t make a difference?
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Completely agree with you, which is why I think the constructive approach is so much more valuable.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
As an expert in advertising and someone who is active is trying to affect change in this particular subject, it is saddening at how disconnected with the age group who will be most active in social change you are.
You could have done so much good, yet you are clearly alienating those you should be inspiring.
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'clearly' - by that, you mean a bunch of people on a football forum don't like what I've said?
Yes, because I would say exactly the same thing, in the same way, as part of the content in advertising campaigns wouldn't I?
Jesus wept.
That said, the way that some people behave on this forum, it isn't a huge surprise.
The way a lot of people behave on this form I am sure is far different from their real life personas as some peoples actions/comments on here would get you a kicking in certain situations.
Most just do it to get a rise out of others. I appreciate a good WUM and there used to be some great ones but now a lot of the site is just folk trying to annoy others unfortunately
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
On a semi related note, has everyone posted their black box on their Facebook account so that they can feel assured they’ve done their bit?
#blackouttuesday
FFS.
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Idiotbook is for morons
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Good point well made.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 13 seconds ago
That said, the way that some people behave on this forum, it isn't a huge surprise.
The way a lot of people behave on this form I am sure is far different from their real life personas as some peoples actions/comments on here would get you a kicking in certain situations.
Most just do it to get a rise out of others. I appreciate a good WUM and there used to be some great ones but now a lot of the site is just folk trying to annoy others unfortunately
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Of course - have long since said that if we all met up for a pint, I'm sure we'd get along just fine.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
“ But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.”
What’s the point when it won’t make a difference?
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I had a similar argument with others on here during your general election. A lot were saying they would not vote as their vote did not matter because they lived in a Tory/Labour stronghold.
My argument was then if you are not going to bother voting then dont complain about the putcome.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
As an expert in advertising and someone who is active is trying to affect change in this particular subject, it is saddening at how disconnected with the age group who will be most active in social change you are.
You could have done so much good, yet you are clearly alienating those you should be inspiring.
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'clearly' - by that, you mean a bunch of people on a football forum don't like what I've said?
Yes, because I would say exactly the same thing, in the same way, as part of the content in advertising campaigns wouldn't I?
Jesus wept.
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I would have thought you would tailor your advertising campaign to what you were advertising, and raisining awareness of an issue has the same targets as raising awareness of a product. So, yes, I would expect an advertising expert to use his advertising knowledge and skills to raise raise awareness of social injustice.
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
I'm perfectly aware of brand awareness and how to achieve it, thanks.
If you think that links to what we've been discussing then I'll leave you with that thought.
There's no need to be sarcastic DJ. If you want to discuss it, great, if not then no worries.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
“ But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.”
What’s the point when it won’t make a difference?
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I had a similar argument with others on here during your general election. A lot were saying they would not vote as their vote did not matter because they lived in a Tory/Labour stronghold.
My argument was then if you are not going to bother voting then dont complain about the putcome.
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That’s just it. Whether it’s doing the blackout thing yesterday, taking a knee, talking about it over social media at least people are engaging.
I don’t agree with Winston’s claim of it not making a difference yet his contribution to the racism problem apparently doing so.
I’d also like to know how what he’s suggesting, and his contribution, has made a difference.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
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No, not at all. What a silly immature post.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
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No, not at all. What a silly immature post.
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Well I think it's pretty immature to take my comments and just reply with 'it's all positive', but there you go.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
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No, not at all. What a silly immature post.
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Well I think it's pretty immature to take my comments and just reply with 'it's all positive', but there you go.
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I didn't just reply with that, clearly. Looks like the Winston show is about to hit full throttle so I'm out.
However, just as a footnote my daughter asked what the black out things was about and I gave her some stuff to read. Good.
As I have said, it's not all positive.
Plenty of people will post up something on social media and consider it as a good thing.
This means they've not actually stopped to think they themselves and the things they do may be part of a problem, without realising it.
It's this naive idea that racism presents itself clearly and obviously, and that prejudice is only enacted by people carrying a big sign.
“ Plenty of people will post up something on social media and consider it as a good thing.
This means they've not actually stopped to think they themselves and the things they do may be part of a problem, without realising it.”
You do love an assumption don’t you, Jesus Christ.
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posted on 3/6/20
There is absolutely nothing negative about it whatsoever. Nothing.
In my experience people denigrate such actions so that they can a) feel superior b) give themselves a platform to tell everyone what they've done that is better c) show how woke they are
You couldnt possibly understand or care as much as they do. They're woke level ten, frontline wokers, not some level 2 woke minion who merely shows support. LOOK AT ME, IM BETTER THAN YOU.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
On a semi related note, has everyone posted their black box on their Facebook account so that they can feel assured they’ve done their bit?
#blackouttuesday
FFS.
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Idiotbook is for morons
posted on 3/6/20
We'll see the same with Pride.
Sometimes it's just good to raise awareness and get people to educate themselves. They may well then influence others and in the long run actually deal with the root of the cause.
Tbh this is all a bit like match going fans lording it over armchairs. Some kind of faux self flagellation screaming about how much time and effort they put in and no-one else has a place as worthy as theirs. Smacks of low self esteem to me.
If you flip it around and instead posted some kind of racist rhetoric that would be deemed negative and propogating hate so why is they other way around not positive and spreading love?
The answer of course is that it is and saying otherwise is like those people who film themselves doing good deeds.
posted on 3/6/20
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Raise awareness?
You think people seeing the black box haven't seen what's happening in America?
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 seconds ago
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Raise awareness?
You think people seeing the black box haven't seen what's happening in America?
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I think there is a tendancy to see it as something happening a long way away that they have no influence on and no way of helping. It is easy for people - especially teenagers - to distance themselves and not take notice of such matters.
I remember coming back from LA after experiencing the Rodney King riots first hand and thinking it was the biggest talking point going. But it barely registered with my school mates.
posted on 3/6/20
As I said Robbing, it's very easy to say it's nice and anything critical is out of order etc etc.
But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.
That said, the way that some people behave on this forum, it isn't a huge surprise.
posted on 3/6/20
As an expert in advertising and someone who is active is trying to affect change in this particular subject, it is saddening at how disconnected with the age group who will be most active in social change you are.
You could have done so much good, yet you are clearly alienating those you should be inspiring.
posted on 3/6/20
“ But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.”
What’s the point when it won’t make a difference?
posted on 3/6/20
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Completely agree with you, which is why I think the constructive approach is so much more valuable.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
As an expert in advertising and someone who is active is trying to affect change in this particular subject, it is saddening at how disconnected with the age group who will be most active in social change you are.
You could have done so much good, yet you are clearly alienating those you should be inspiring.
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'clearly' - by that, you mean a bunch of people on a football forum don't like what I've said?
Yes, because I would say exactly the same thing, in the same way, as part of the content in advertising campaigns wouldn't I?
Jesus wept.
posted on 3/6/20
That said, the way that some people behave on this forum, it isn't a huge surprise.
The way a lot of people behave on this form I am sure is far different from their real life personas as some peoples actions/comments on here would get you a kicking in certain situations.
Most just do it to get a rise out of others. I appreciate a good WUM and there used to be some great ones but now a lot of the site is just folk trying to annoy others unfortunately
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
On a semi related note, has everyone posted their black box on their Facebook account so that they can feel assured they’ve done their bit?
#blackouttuesday
FFS.
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Idiotbook is for morons
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Good point well made.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 13 seconds ago
That said, the way that some people behave on this forum, it isn't a huge surprise.
The way a lot of people behave on this form I am sure is far different from their real life personas as some peoples actions/comments on here would get you a kicking in certain situations.
Most just do it to get a rise out of others. I appreciate a good WUM and there used to be some great ones but now a lot of the site is just folk trying to annoy others unfortunately
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Of course - have long since said that if we all met up for a pint, I'm sure we'd get along just fine.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
“ But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.”
What’s the point when it won’t make a difference?
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I had a similar argument with others on here during your general election. A lot were saying they would not vote as their vote did not matter because they lived in a Tory/Labour stronghold.
My argument was then if you are not going to bother voting then dont complain about the putcome.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
As an expert in advertising and someone who is active is trying to affect change in this particular subject, it is saddening at how disconnected with the age group who will be most active in social change you are.
You could have done so much good, yet you are clearly alienating those you should be inspiring.
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'clearly' - by that, you mean a bunch of people on a football forum don't like what I've said?
Yes, because I would say exactly the same thing, in the same way, as part of the content in advertising campaigns wouldn't I?
Jesus wept.
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I would have thought you would tailor your advertising campaign to what you were advertising, and raisining awareness of an issue has the same targets as raising awareness of a product. So, yes, I would expect an advertising expert to use his advertising knowledge and skills to raise raise awareness of social injustice.
posted on 3/6/20
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
posted on 3/6/20
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
I'm perfectly aware of brand awareness and how to achieve it, thanks.
If you think that links to what we've been discussing then I'll leave you with that thought.
There's no need to be sarcastic DJ. If you want to discuss it, great, if not then no worries.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
“ But that's just a bit simplistic and as someone who tries to actively affect change in this particular area, I'd hope for a bit more conversation on it.”
What’s the point when it won’t make a difference?
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I had a similar argument with others on here during your general election. A lot were saying they would not vote as their vote did not matter because they lived in a Tory/Labour stronghold.
My argument was then if you are not going to bother voting then dont complain about the putcome.
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That’s just it. Whether it’s doing the blackout thing yesterday, taking a knee, talking about it over social media at least people are engaging.
I don’t agree with Winston’s claim of it not making a difference yet his contribution to the racism problem apparently doing so.
I’d also like to know how what he’s suggesting, and his contribution, has made a difference.
posted on 3/6/20
Can't envusage*
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
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No, not at all. What a silly immature post.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
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No, not at all. What a silly immature post.
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Well I think it's pretty immature to take my comments and just reply with 'it's all positive', but there you go.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all positive. There's sheep factor too, people may see this solidarity and then educate themselves on why 'white lives matter too' is a phrase of such overwhelming ignorance that they then wont post that. Maybe they'll end up reading about Rosa Parks or how slavery was legal in Australia until the 1960's.
The thing that irks me is that there will absolutely be people who have had a blackout profile who also voted for a racist a few months ago but even then I don't see it as a negative. Show solidarity, however small, as it may have an element of butterfly effect even if you can envisage or understand how has a positive effect down the line.
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So everything is great and no one should question anything. Gotcha.
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No, not at all. What a silly immature post.
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Well I think it's pretty immature to take my comments and just reply with 'it's all positive', but there you go.
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I didn't just reply with that, clearly. Looks like the Winston show is about to hit full throttle so I'm out.
However, just as a footnote my daughter asked what the black out things was about and I gave her some stuff to read. Good.
posted on 3/6/20
As I have said, it's not all positive.
Plenty of people will post up something on social media and consider it as a good thing.
This means they've not actually stopped to think they themselves and the things they do may be part of a problem, without realising it.
It's this naive idea that racism presents itself clearly and obviously, and that prejudice is only enacted by people carrying a big sign.
posted on 3/6/20
“ Plenty of people will post up something on social media and consider it as a good thing.
This means they've not actually stopped to think they themselves and the things they do may be part of a problem, without realising it.”
You do love an assumption don’t you, Jesus Christ.
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