comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
Lloris
Toby Dier Davies
Sissoko GLC
Ndombele Dele
Bergwijn Kane Son
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I like it <ok">
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 10 minutes ago
the shame for me is Poch didnt recognise this early. Quality wing backs is what we have always needed.
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it was made clear he wanted to replace Walker, Rose, Dembele and Toby with quality as he knew they were declining/leaving and at their best pivotal to how we played and just as clear is that this opinion wasn't shared by those above him. Now we are in this situation. could have at least made 4 signings rather than none that summer lol
at the time fans were blind to this as how good those players had been and taken for granted, they felt just like the chairman we could just keep going with those players. Throw into the mix the rapid decline of Wanyama and Vertonghen as well.
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
I think its often the way with these young talents who make a big impact, they play on instinct and youthful energy and exuberance, now thats all been coached out of him and he's struggling to find an identity.
For me he needs to be off the main striker, floating and making those runs into the box, but we do not play a system or have the players that suit that. As a 433 we have to have him from wide and he's far less effective here, esp. on the left side where Davies does not step over the halfway line. He's on his own out there a lot of the time and doesnt have the winger skillz for it, so often just recycles the ball without having too much impact on the game
I think he needs to be close to others, he is clever and inventive, whether its flicks or dummies or finding pockets etc he can work space well with support. But this relies on good quick ball to him too, he's good at finding the spaces and its a shame the likes of NDombele have not been a big success as its that sort of incisive passing that is needed to find Alli. In a ponderous build up, Alli offers little, especially in wide areas. In a quicker more inventive approach i think he comes alive.
Its not the ideal comparison but i seem him a bit like Firmino in the way he can be clever in bringing others into the game, with skills and invention, not just hold up play. but Firmino is surrounded by sharp skillful wide attackers and they are all on the same wave length. Kane is very different , more of a blunt (but very effective) instrument which perhaps does not bring out the best in Alli.
I like him, but it is frustrating. Overall i would not like to lose him but do not see that he fits particularly well in our team or the Jose style of play.
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Under Poch I believe we played a 3421...the two were narrow because Rose and Walker gave us width. This meant Eriksen and Dele could play close to Kane. They were lethal.
As soon as we lost Walker and Rose went downhill oir whole game play went to toilet.
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Spot on !!! Having effective FBs that played high up the pitch was the overlooked strength behind Poch's Spurs. It always had us on the front foot, created width which allowed space in the middle for the likes of Dembele, Eriksen and Dele to Operate. It created a duel threat as it kept the pitch "big" when the likes of Lamela, Sonny and Moura cut inside (which they all have a tendancy to do..... Gave us so many options.
As Much as I like Davies as a defender he offers nothing down the left
As for Dele, might as well keep him, doubt there's much of a market for him. If we did sell, at least Levy would turn a profit !!!!. Personally think he's a bit overrated, I think teams have figured him out after a breakthrough couple of years
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Always thought his best position was behind Kane.
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It is, when Kane is not playing he doesn't seem to fit in, but I would not sell
i really dont like the one defensive one attacking full back thing. Invites a side to target one side of our defence and also wastes a spot in the team cause if youre going to play a RB RW you might as well play an actual winger there.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
I think its often the way with these young talents who make a big impact, they play on instinct and youthful energy and exuberance, now thats all been coached out of him and he's struggling to find an identity.
For me he needs to be off the main striker, floating and making those runs into the box, but we do not play a system or have the players that suit that. As a 433 we have to have him from wide and he's far less effective here, esp. on the left side where Davies does not step over the halfway line. He's on his own out there a lot of the time and doesnt have the winger skillz for it, so often just recycles the ball without having too much impact on the game
I think he needs to be close to others, he is clever and inventive, whether its flicks or dummies or finding pockets etc he can work space well with support. But this relies on good quick ball to him too, he's good at finding the spaces and its a shame the likes of NDombele have not been a big success as its that sort of incisive passing that is needed to find Alli. In a ponderous build up, Alli offers little, especially in wide areas. In a quicker more inventive approach i think he comes alive.
Its not the ideal comparison but i seem him a bit like Firmino in the way he can be clever in bringing others into the game, with skills and invention, not just hold up play. but Firmino is surrounded by sharp skillful wide attackers and they are all on the same wave length. Kane is very different , more of a blunt (but very effective) instrument which perhaps does not bring out the best in Alli.
I like him, but it is frustrating. Overall i would not like to lose him but do not see that he fits particularly well in our team or the Jose style of play.
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Under Poch I believe we played a 3421...the two were narrow because Rose and Walker gave us width. This meant Eriksen and Dele could play close to Kane. They were lethal.
As soon as we lost Walker and Rose went downhill oir whole game play went to toilet.
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Spot on !!! Having effective FBs that played high up the pitch was the overlooked strength behind Poch's Spurs. It always had us on the front foot, created width which allowed space in the middle for the likes of Dembele, Eriksen and Dele to Operate. It created a duel threat as it kept the pitch "big" when the likes of Lamela, Sonny and Moura cut inside (which they all have a tendancy to do..... Gave us so many options.
As Much as I like Davies as a defender he offers nothing down the left
As for Dele, might as well keep him, doubt there's much of a market for him. If we did sell, at least Levy would turn a profit !!!!. Personally think he's a bit overrated, I think teams have figured him out after a breakthrough couple of years
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In fairness to Davies i think he's been told not to go forward and we are effectively 3 at the back with Aurier as RW/RWB.
I also think that best Poch setup had us with a decent enforcer in Dembele who also brought the ball out well & retained possession and often Dier alongside him, a natural defender who provided cover when the FBs charged forward.
LFC are an interesting comparison. Their FBs are very advanced often, their CM does not have a pure DM but a couple of decent workhorses in Fabino and Henderson, both with a decent pass on them. Wijnaldum is a decent CM too without being top drawer. So it goes to show that in their engine room ,there is not much in the way of flair & skill unless they bring on Ox or maybe Lallana. In NDombele and GLC Spurs have 2 far more creative CMs and we have also tried ALli & Lamela in there. Like us under early Poch LFCs strength is in the front line and the width & pace provided by quality FBs, with the CM being effective & hard working.
The moment we start adding attacking full backs we will start to see the CM as lacking that level of enforcement needed - as much as I like GLC, as skillful as NDombele is, their qualities are not in enforcing a CM. Sisokko could but lacks the tekkers for CM. Winks could easily do a Henderson job but needs a quality partner else he's often chasing shadows.
I would like us to go all out for Declan Rice, to anchor our CM alongside NDombele (if he gets his sh!t together) and GLC.
Attacking full backs needed on both sides although i'd say LB is priority as we are so unbalanced. I quite like Aurier and he'd do for now if money is an issue.
I have no idea what Sessegnon is for! The likes of Sisokko, Lamela & Winks are very good options in CM, as is Lucas and Bergwijn in support of a front 3 of Alli Kane & Son.
Hope that Tanganga can make one of the CB positions his own, as a replacement to Verts - giving us Dier Sanchez Aldi, Tanganga, Foyth. Obvs if we have the money then a top CB too, but propbably 4th or 5th priority IMO.
I must say I was pretty frustrated aurier wasnt given game time last season but now I think we are seeing the reasons for it. For a club who need to stop gifting goals and build from a defensive base he is not the man.
Would have been interested to see him playing instead of Walker in our team when it was good. Still feel his pace and recovery isnt quite what we need. Davies isnt a bad player the other side but his inability to bat a man and lack of pace really doesnt suit a modern full back.
If you could get decent money he should be sold, he's not lived up to the hype for quite some time. I don't see a good attitude either, not sure who would take him though.
Everton? Newcastle if they get take over maybe?
if we need to sell a big player to help fund a CB / full back / CM rebuild then he is the best candidate.
His stats are excellent, he creates chances and scores goals, he is one of our most productive players so it would be foolish to sell Dele Alli. Our least productive forward player is probably Lucas.
He’s 100% the big player I would sell if we had to over any of Kane, Son etc. We could still get 60/70 mil for him with today’s market, his experience and he’s still very young. I do like him, but he just hasn’t been good enough the last 2 seasons. He seems to try all these flicks and tricks which never come off, very frustrating.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* (U3924)
posted 48 minutes ago
His stats are excellent, he creates chances and scores goals, he is one of our most productive players so it would be foolish to sell Dele Alli. Our least productive forward player is probably Lucas.
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His stats are only excellent for his first 2/3 seasons.
That's it then apparently, hes going to be sold
For the last couple of seasons, Dele Ali has been awful.. just doesn’t like like he’s trying either.. he’s slow, weak physically...can’t tackle & cant hold the ball up..
I fear his off the field activities have taken over his life..
So I would sell him, if the right offer came in..
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* (U3924)
posted 48 minutes ago
His stats are excellent, he creates chances and scores goals, he is one of our most productive players so it would be foolish to sell Dele Alli. Our least productive forward player is probably Lucas.
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His stats are only excellent for his first 2/3 seasons.
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He's had injuries over the last couple of years, there is no wonder his stats have tailed off. He is a proven PL performer, and is out performing the likes of Lampard and Gerrard at the same age.
He`s also the reason we got to a CL final, after his cute pass to Lucas
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posted on 2/7/20
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
Lloris
Toby Dier Davies
Sissoko GLC
Ndombele Dele
Bergwijn Kane Son
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I like it <ok">
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 10 minutes ago
the shame for me is Poch didnt recognise this early. Quality wing backs is what we have always needed.
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it was made clear he wanted to replace Walker, Rose, Dembele and Toby with quality as he knew they were declining/leaving and at their best pivotal to how we played and just as clear is that this opinion wasn't shared by those above him. Now we are in this situation. could have at least made 4 signings rather than none that summer lol
posted on 2/7/20
at the time fans were blind to this as how good those players had been and taken for granted, they felt just like the chairman we could just keep going with those players. Throw into the mix the rapid decline of Wanyama and Vertonghen as well.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
I think its often the way with these young talents who make a big impact, they play on instinct and youthful energy and exuberance, now thats all been coached out of him and he's struggling to find an identity.
For me he needs to be off the main striker, floating and making those runs into the box, but we do not play a system or have the players that suit that. As a 433 we have to have him from wide and he's far less effective here, esp. on the left side where Davies does not step over the halfway line. He's on his own out there a lot of the time and doesnt have the winger skillz for it, so often just recycles the ball without having too much impact on the game
I think he needs to be close to others, he is clever and inventive, whether its flicks or dummies or finding pockets etc he can work space well with support. But this relies on good quick ball to him too, he's good at finding the spaces and its a shame the likes of NDombele have not been a big success as its that sort of incisive passing that is needed to find Alli. In a ponderous build up, Alli offers little, especially in wide areas. In a quicker more inventive approach i think he comes alive.
Its not the ideal comparison but i seem him a bit like Firmino in the way he can be clever in bringing others into the game, with skills and invention, not just hold up play. but Firmino is surrounded by sharp skillful wide attackers and they are all on the same wave length. Kane is very different , more of a blunt (but very effective) instrument which perhaps does not bring out the best in Alli.
I like him, but it is frustrating. Overall i would not like to lose him but do not see that he fits particularly well in our team or the Jose style of play.
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Under Poch I believe we played a 3421...the two were narrow because Rose and Walker gave us width. This meant Eriksen and Dele could play close to Kane. They were lethal.
As soon as we lost Walker and Rose went downhill oir whole game play went to toilet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on !!! Having effective FBs that played high up the pitch was the overlooked strength behind Poch's Spurs. It always had us on the front foot, created width which allowed space in the middle for the likes of Dembele, Eriksen and Dele to Operate. It created a duel threat as it kept the pitch "big" when the likes of Lamela, Sonny and Moura cut inside (which they all have a tendancy to do..... Gave us so many options.
As Much as I like Davies as a defender he offers nothing down the left
As for Dele, might as well keep him, doubt there's much of a market for him. If we did sell, at least Levy would turn a profit !!!!. Personally think he's a bit overrated, I think teams have figured him out after a breakthrough couple of years
posted on 2/7/20
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Always thought his best position was behind Kane.
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It is, when Kane is not playing he doesn't seem to fit in, but I would not sell
posted on 2/7/20
i really dont like the one defensive one attacking full back thing. Invites a side to target one side of our defence and also wastes a spot in the team cause if youre going to play a RB RW you might as well play an actual winger there.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
I think its often the way with these young talents who make a big impact, they play on instinct and youthful energy and exuberance, now thats all been coached out of him and he's struggling to find an identity.
For me he needs to be off the main striker, floating and making those runs into the box, but we do not play a system or have the players that suit that. As a 433 we have to have him from wide and he's far less effective here, esp. on the left side where Davies does not step over the halfway line. He's on his own out there a lot of the time and doesnt have the winger skillz for it, so often just recycles the ball without having too much impact on the game
I think he needs to be close to others, he is clever and inventive, whether its flicks or dummies or finding pockets etc he can work space well with support. But this relies on good quick ball to him too, he's good at finding the spaces and its a shame the likes of NDombele have not been a big success as its that sort of incisive passing that is needed to find Alli. In a ponderous build up, Alli offers little, especially in wide areas. In a quicker more inventive approach i think he comes alive.
Its not the ideal comparison but i seem him a bit like Firmino in the way he can be clever in bringing others into the game, with skills and invention, not just hold up play. but Firmino is surrounded by sharp skillful wide attackers and they are all on the same wave length. Kane is very different , more of a blunt (but very effective) instrument which perhaps does not bring out the best in Alli.
I like him, but it is frustrating. Overall i would not like to lose him but do not see that he fits particularly well in our team or the Jose style of play.
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Under Poch I believe we played a 3421...the two were narrow because Rose and Walker gave us width. This meant Eriksen and Dele could play close to Kane. They were lethal.
As soon as we lost Walker and Rose went downhill oir whole game play went to toilet.
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Spot on !!! Having effective FBs that played high up the pitch was the overlooked strength behind Poch's Spurs. It always had us on the front foot, created width which allowed space in the middle for the likes of Dembele, Eriksen and Dele to Operate. It created a duel threat as it kept the pitch "big" when the likes of Lamela, Sonny and Moura cut inside (which they all have a tendancy to do..... Gave us so many options.
As Much as I like Davies as a defender he offers nothing down the left
As for Dele, might as well keep him, doubt there's much of a market for him. If we did sell, at least Levy would turn a profit !!!!. Personally think he's a bit overrated, I think teams have figured him out after a breakthrough couple of years
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In fairness to Davies i think he's been told not to go forward and we are effectively 3 at the back with Aurier as RW/RWB.
I also think that best Poch setup had us with a decent enforcer in Dembele who also brought the ball out well & retained possession and often Dier alongside him, a natural defender who provided cover when the FBs charged forward.
LFC are an interesting comparison. Their FBs are very advanced often, their CM does not have a pure DM but a couple of decent workhorses in Fabino and Henderson, both with a decent pass on them. Wijnaldum is a decent CM too without being top drawer. So it goes to show that in their engine room ,there is not much in the way of flair & skill unless they bring on Ox or maybe Lallana. In NDombele and GLC Spurs have 2 far more creative CMs and we have also tried ALli & Lamela in there. Like us under early Poch LFCs strength is in the front line and the width & pace provided by quality FBs, with the CM being effective & hard working.
The moment we start adding attacking full backs we will start to see the CM as lacking that level of enforcement needed - as much as I like GLC, as skillful as NDombele is, their qualities are not in enforcing a CM. Sisokko could but lacks the tekkers for CM. Winks could easily do a Henderson job but needs a quality partner else he's often chasing shadows.
posted on 2/7/20
I would like us to go all out for Declan Rice, to anchor our CM alongside NDombele (if he gets his sh!t together) and GLC.
Attacking full backs needed on both sides although i'd say LB is priority as we are so unbalanced. I quite like Aurier and he'd do for now if money is an issue.
I have no idea what Sessegnon is for! The likes of Sisokko, Lamela & Winks are very good options in CM, as is Lucas and Bergwijn in support of a front 3 of Alli Kane & Son.
Hope that Tanganga can make one of the CB positions his own, as a replacement to Verts - giving us Dier Sanchez Aldi, Tanganga, Foyth. Obvs if we have the money then a top CB too, but propbably 4th or 5th priority IMO.
posted on 2/7/20
I must say I was pretty frustrated aurier wasnt given game time last season but now I think we are seeing the reasons for it. For a club who need to stop gifting goals and build from a defensive base he is not the man.
Would have been interested to see him playing instead of Walker in our team when it was good. Still feel his pace and recovery isnt quite what we need. Davies isnt a bad player the other side but his inability to bat a man and lack of pace really doesnt suit a modern full back.
posted on 2/7/20
Selle Alli
posted on 2/7/20
If you could get decent money he should be sold, he's not lived up to the hype for quite some time. I don't see a good attitude either, not sure who would take him though.
Everton? Newcastle if they get take over maybe?
posted on 2/7/20
if we need to sell a big player to help fund a CB / full back / CM rebuild then he is the best candidate.
posted on 2/7/20
His stats are excellent, he creates chances and scores goals, he is one of our most productive players so it would be foolish to sell Dele Alli. Our least productive forward player is probably Lucas.
posted on 2/7/20
He’s 100% the big player I would sell if we had to over any of Kane, Son etc. We could still get 60/70 mil for him with today’s market, his experience and he’s still very young. I do like him, but he just hasn’t been good enough the last 2 seasons. He seems to try all these flicks and tricks which never come off, very frustrating.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* (U3924)
posted 48 minutes ago
His stats are excellent, he creates chances and scores goals, he is one of our most productive players so it would be foolish to sell Dele Alli. Our least productive forward player is probably Lucas.
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His stats are only excellent for his first 2/3 seasons.
posted on 2/7/20
That's it then apparently, hes going to be sold
posted on 2/7/20
For the last couple of seasons, Dele Ali has been awful.. just doesn’t like like he’s trying either.. he’s slow, weak physically...can’t tackle & cant hold the ball up..
I fear his off the field activities have taken over his life..
So I would sell him, if the right offer came in..
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* (U3924)
posted 48 minutes ago
His stats are excellent, he creates chances and scores goals, he is one of our most productive players so it would be foolish to sell Dele Alli. Our least productive forward player is probably Lucas.
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His stats are only excellent for his first 2/3 seasons.
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He's had injuries over the last couple of years, there is no wonder his stats have tailed off. He is a proven PL performer, and is out performing the likes of Lampard and Gerrard at the same age.
posted on 2/7/20
He`s also the reason we got to a CL final, after his cute pass to Lucas
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