No one can change history. The SPFL blazers are incompetent and have been for a very long time. Same as their pals at the SFA. There is little chance of these guys changing any time soon.
That said, it’s time to pay compensation and move on.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
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Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
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Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
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The only folk who want to proclaim * are bears. Yet most acknowledge that it was won (given the circumstances) fair and square. Celtic wanted the league to be completed on the park to win it by more than 13 points but had to accept the title because of the majority vote. As I said, we cannot change history and the bears who beat about * are only trying to eek some comfort from losing to CELTIC for the 9th year in a row. Oh well, each to their own.
I do seem to recall Rangers indicating they wouldn’t play BCD? Along with other clubs that couldn’t afford to pay their squad. That seemed to put paid to completing the season?
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
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Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It might look like hysteria now, but they had an initial vote for all the clubs and then waited 3-4 weeks before the clubs decided that they couldn’t see the season out. We are using hindsight now to make an assessment, and commenting on the clubs making a decision based on their knowledge of their own finances. Some of the clubs had to furlough players just to stay afloat. This was also in the midst of teams relaying their pitches, telling us they wouldn’t play behind closed doors, and the SPFA saying they wouldn’t advocate their players endangering themselves by playing behind closed doors-and telling them not to renew contracts on a short term basis. To lay the blame for the outcome at the feet of the SPFL executive is more than just harsh.
I know it’ll be taken as a dig, but perhaps if the clubs and the SPFL executive had been allowed to focus on football itself rather than dealing with unfounded accusations and dossiers, then things might have been different.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
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Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It might look like hysteria now, but they had an initial vote for all the clubs and then waited 3-4 weeks before the clubs decided that they couldn’t see the season out. We are using hindsight now to make an assessment, and commenting on the clubs making a decision based on their knowledge of their own finances. Some of the clubs had to furlough players just to stay afloat. This was also in the midst of teams relaying their pitches, telling us they wouldn’t play behind closed doors, and the SPFA saying they wouldn’t advocate their players endangering themselves by playing behind closed doors-and telling them not to renew contracts on a short term basis. To lay the blame for the outcome at the feet of the SPFL executive is more than just harsh.
I know it’ll be taken as a dig, but perhaps if the clubs and the SPFL executive had been allowed to focus on football itself rather than dealing with unfounded accusations and dossiers, then things might have been different.
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you are either related to doncaster, blowing him or both
Everything I’ve said is known though. It’s only that it’s been ignored to suit an argument.
The decision to end the season was taken by the clubs, who were unanimous that when they voted, they felt the season couldn’t be finished. They could have taken more time, but agreed that it couldn’t happen.
Why not question your own board as to why they felt the season couldn’t finish on the park?
I doubt Doncaster is the best we can get to do the job he’s doing, but let’s make sure we apportion blame to the correct people.
DeBear, clubs needed the money. Even now clubs have black holes that need filled <steadypointysmiley>
Of course the vote was handled badly but it’s worth noting the majority did vote to end it.
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 23 seconds ago
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
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No problem with that point. Can we move on then?
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 23 seconds ago
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
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No problem with that point. Can we move on then?
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we can once Hearts and Thistle get the court/SFA Judgement
Maybe
As I think is the case Neil Doncaster, Les Gray and Ken Ferguson all sit on the SPFL board.
Doncaster is also vice president of the SFA, while Ferguson and Gray sit on the SFA professional game board
Cant see any possible conflict coming
Thistle were clearly very hard done by.
Hearts weren’t, they were 4 behind with 8 to play and none of those games were against Rangers so they were screwed.
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 58 seconds ago
Thistle were clearly very hard done by.
Hearts weren’t, they were 4 behind with 8 to play and none of those games were against Rangers so they were screwed.
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😂👏👏👏
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 5 minutes ago
As I think is the case Neil Doncaster, Les Gray and Ken Ferguson all sit on the SPFL board.
Doncaster is also vice president of the SFA, while Ferguson and Gray sit on the SFA professional game board
Cant see any possible conflict coming
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Except none of them will be on the independent panel adjudicating on it.
Oh dear.
I care not a jot about 99% of the shenanigans only that Hearts go down and when I eventually get back in the office daily I can rip the pash out each and every Jambo in there and call them. Legion for they are many
Piff 😂 I know you love to get them telt! 😂😂😂
Heed, if we beat them I'm n an hour early
If we got beat I suffered big time
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 50 minutes ago
DeBear, clubs needed the money. Even now clubs have black holes that need filled <steadypointysmiley>
Of course the vote was handled badly but it’s worth noting the majority did vote to end it.
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The first option (and the one which should have been pushed by Doncaster) should’ve been to postpone the games, pay our prize money based on lowest position possible and see rise out lockdown.
Lockdown duration was predicted at that time.
Option 2 should have been to call it as we did.
Choosing option 1 whilst leaving the back stop of option 2 would have avoided all of this.
They paid the minimum money then clubs quickly said we'll go bust if we don't have fans so they quickly moved to 2. Nothing sinister.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
They paid the minimum money then clubs quickly said we'll go bust if we don't have fans so they quickly moved to 2. Nothing sinister.
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Aye they did what the thought was best.
They may actually be correct
Hearts and Thistle have a case, though whether compensation is appropriate or even forthcoming remains to be seen.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 13 minutes ago
They paid the minimum money then clubs quickly said we'll go bust if we don't have fans so they quickly moved to 2. Nothing sinister.
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Never said it was sinister.
The clubs still don’t have any fans.
They now have less TV money to come.
There was no ideal solution.
We went this way and this is what we got.
If we considered both options in equal measure, without undue influence, it’s a reasonable assumption to make that we wouldn’t be in this mess and may just have had some of our footy to watch.
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
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If there was the same vast amounts of money in our game, you'd have a point.
Alas many of our clubs were on the brink of going bust had they not received money for final league standings so they voted to call the league early.
If there was the same vast amounts of money in our game, you'd have a point.
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would the revenue from TV (the amount now being paid back) not have been used.
We are only talking the top division, the others could have been paid out as happened.
Maybe I dont have a point and its only you who has one though
If we'd waited then called it Budge would still likely have gone down the same path except we would have less time to resolve it and more chance of fooking the new season and potentially the TV deal with it?
A big issue is the number of clubs living so close to the breadline they have next to no contingency for any rainy day. That is the root cause of why those clubs asked the SPFL to move the speed they did - they could not afford to wait and see.
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posted on 3/7/20
No one can change history. The SPFL blazers are incompetent and have been for a very long time. Same as their pals at the SFA. There is little chance of these guys changing any time soon.
That said, it’s time to pay compensation and move on.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The only folk who want to proclaim * are bears. Yet most acknowledge that it was won (given the circumstances) fair and square. Celtic wanted the league to be completed on the park to win it by more than 13 points but had to accept the title because of the majority vote. As I said, we cannot change history and the bears who beat about * are only trying to eek some comfort from losing to CELTIC for the 9th year in a row. Oh well, each to their own.
posted on 3/7/20
I do seem to recall Rangers indicating they wouldn’t play BCD? Along with other clubs that couldn’t afford to pay their squad. That seemed to put paid to completing the season?
posted on 3/7/20
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It might look like hysteria now, but they had an initial vote for all the clubs and then waited 3-4 weeks before the clubs decided that they couldn’t see the season out. We are using hindsight now to make an assessment, and commenting on the clubs making a decision based on their knowledge of their own finances. Some of the clubs had to furlough players just to stay afloat. This was also in the midst of teams relaying their pitches, telling us they wouldn’t play behind closed doors, and the SPFA saying they wouldn’t advocate their players endangering themselves by playing behind closed doors-and telling them not to renew contracts on a short term basis. To lay the blame for the outcome at the feet of the SPFL executive is more than just harsh.
I know it’ll be taken as a dig, but perhaps if the clubs and the SPFL executive had been allowed to focus on football itself rather than dealing with unfounded accusations and dossiers, then things might have been different.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 35 seconds ago
At the peak of this, folk were debating if-not when-we could even restart football for next season never mind finish this one.
I think they left it long enough, and the final decision was based on finances and not being able to play the season out. Without knowing the finances of every club (I only know rangers finances), then the senior clubs decided they couldn’t finish the season. That vote was reported as being unanimous and no one challenged that announcement. That’s not the fault of the SPFL, that was the decision of the clubs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete hysteria though.
All they had to do was buy some thinking time, and the had the opportunity to do that.
Sure the clubs decided - it was clearly a fait accompli.
The clubs were strong armed in to it - that much is obvious.
Now a not very good TV deal is even worse.
Clubs are still weakened as the were going to be - with the exception of even less TV money in the coming season.
Don't get me wrong - I had more than accepted the celtic would win the 9.
Now we get to see an asterisk next to it
Awarded in the boardroom by dreadful governance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It might look like hysteria now, but they had an initial vote for all the clubs and then waited 3-4 weeks before the clubs decided that they couldn’t see the season out. We are using hindsight now to make an assessment, and commenting on the clubs making a decision based on their knowledge of their own finances. Some of the clubs had to furlough players just to stay afloat. This was also in the midst of teams relaying their pitches, telling us they wouldn’t play behind closed doors, and the SPFA saying they wouldn’t advocate their players endangering themselves by playing behind closed doors-and telling them not to renew contracts on a short term basis. To lay the blame for the outcome at the feet of the SPFL executive is more than just harsh.
I know it’ll be taken as a dig, but perhaps if the clubs and the SPFL executive had been allowed to focus on football itself rather than dealing with unfounded accusations and dossiers, then things might have been different.
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you are either related to doncaster, blowing him or both
posted on 3/7/20
Everything I’ve said is known though. It’s only that it’s been ignored to suit an argument.
The decision to end the season was taken by the clubs, who were unanimous that when they voted, they felt the season couldn’t be finished. They could have taken more time, but agreed that it couldn’t happen.
Why not question your own board as to why they felt the season couldn’t finish on the park?
I doubt Doncaster is the best we can get to do the job he’s doing, but let’s make sure we apportion blame to the correct people.
posted on 3/7/20
DeBear, clubs needed the money. Even now clubs have black holes that need filled <steadypointysmiley>
Of course the vote was handled badly but it’s worth noting the majority did vote to end it.
posted on 3/7/20
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 23 seconds ago
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
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No problem with that point. Can we move on then?
posted on 3/7/20
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 23 seconds ago
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
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No problem with that point. Can we move on then?
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we can once Hearts and Thistle get the court/SFA Judgement
Maybe
posted on 3/7/20
As I think is the case Neil Doncaster, Les Gray and Ken Ferguson all sit on the SPFL board.
Doncaster is also vice president of the SFA, while Ferguson and Gray sit on the SFA professional game board
Cant see any possible conflict coming
posted on 3/7/20
Thistle were clearly very hard done by.
Hearts weren’t, they were 4 behind with 8 to play and none of those games were against Rangers so they were screwed.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 58 seconds ago
Thistle were clearly very hard done by.
Hearts weren’t, they were 4 behind with 8 to play and none of those games were against Rangers so they were screwed.
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😂👏👏👏
posted on 3/7/20
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 5 minutes ago
As I think is the case Neil Doncaster, Les Gray and Ken Ferguson all sit on the SPFL board.
Doncaster is also vice president of the SFA, while Ferguson and Gray sit on the SFA professional game board
Cant see any possible conflict coming
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Except none of them will be on the independent panel adjudicating on it.
Oh dear.
posted on 3/7/20
I care not a jot about 99% of the shenanigans only that Hearts go down and when I eventually get back in the office daily I can rip the pash out each and every Jambo in there and call them. Legion for they are many
posted on 3/7/20
Piff 😂 I know you love to get them telt! 😂😂😂
posted on 3/7/20
Heed, if we beat them I'm n an hour early
If we got beat I suffered big time
posted on 3/7/20
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 50 minutes ago
DeBear, clubs needed the money. Even now clubs have black holes that need filled <steadypointysmiley>
Of course the vote was handled badly but it’s worth noting the majority did vote to end it.
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The first option (and the one which should have been pushed by Doncaster) should’ve been to postpone the games, pay our prize money based on lowest position possible and see rise out lockdown.
Lockdown duration was predicted at that time.
Option 2 should have been to call it as we did.
Choosing option 1 whilst leaving the back stop of option 2 would have avoided all of this.
posted on 3/7/20
They paid the minimum money then clubs quickly said we'll go bust if we don't have fans so they quickly moved to 2. Nothing sinister.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
They paid the minimum money then clubs quickly said we'll go bust if we don't have fans so they quickly moved to 2. Nothing sinister.
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Aye they did what the thought was best.
They may actually be correct
Hearts and Thistle have a case, though whether compensation is appropriate or even forthcoming remains to be seen.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 13 minutes ago
They paid the minimum money then clubs quickly said we'll go bust if we don't have fans so they quickly moved to 2. Nothing sinister.
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Never said it was sinister.
The clubs still don’t have any fans.
They now have less TV money to come.
There was no ideal solution.
We went this way and this is what we got.
If we considered both options in equal measure, without undue influence, it’s a reasonable assumption to make that we wouldn’t be in this mess and may just have had some of our footy to watch.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
football is being played 50 miles from Scotland.
The vote to call it early was a joke whether Rangers Celtic or fekn Ross County voted for it.
Anyway we are where we are but Hearts Thistle and whoever are quite right to question it.
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If there was the same vast amounts of money in our game, you'd have a point.
Alas many of our clubs were on the brink of going bust had they not received money for final league standings so they voted to call the league early.
posted on 3/7/20
If there was the same vast amounts of money in our game, you'd have a point.
==
would the revenue from TV (the amount now being paid back) not have been used.
We are only talking the top division, the others could have been paid out as happened.
Maybe I dont have a point and its only you who has one though
posted on 3/7/20
If we'd waited then called it Budge would still likely have gone down the same path except we would have less time to resolve it and more chance of fooking the new season and potentially the TV deal with it?
A big issue is the number of clubs living so close to the breadline they have next to no contingency for any rainy day. That is the root cause of why those clubs asked the SPFL to move the speed they did - they could not afford to wait and see.
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