comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 39 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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Don’t know. Still waiting on this evidence they drove on the wrong side of the road though. Gone conveniently quiet on that front hasn’t it.
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All evidence doesn't have to or get presented to the public.
What has happened to the officers involved?
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Yet the first video showing them doing nothing wrong was released to Sky.
Don’t know yet. The situation is ongoing and being investigated.
comment by *Prankster 20/20 (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
I think I will go with what the police say for now until further evidence is presented.
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Based on?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 39 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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Don’t know. Still waiting on this evidence they drove on the wrong side of the road though. Gone conveniently quiet on that front hasn’t it.
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This is the point I’m making about yourself. Everything you say is weighted towards an assumption that the police are completely in the wrong, and your rhetoric suggests that this is your general opinion of the police.
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No it’s not. I just don’t work on the assumption that if the police said it it must be true. It’s not like there’s been plenty of instances in the past where they have lied or anything.
See Term this is where you’ve gone wrong. Show me where I’ve said the police are guilty/in the wrong in the Williams case?
I haven’t. I’ve suggested, in the face of some saying ‘well they were driving on the wrong side of the road’ that this may not be true. Williams disputes this. The only evidence, it’s taken days to come up with, shows them on the right side of the road, and the police van on the wrong side of the road.
I find it weird some are so defensive about the suggestion that the police may be in the wrong about this. So defensive they come up with shiite like this;
“ If you read Annie’s posts earlier, then it’s pretty obvious he holds all police in utter contempt”
I’m sorry for questioning the police Term. It’s obviously upset you for some reason
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That’s how I’m interpreting how you’re posting and I stick by it. You’re definitely biased in one direction, seemingly very happy to take Williams’s account of events at face value, whilst suggesting the police are more likely to be lying than telling the truth. For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so. ‘Plenty of instances of them lying in the past’ just stinks of a bias against them.
Yet again, I’ve stated I don’t know who is in the wrong on this occasion. My guess is that the truth may be somewhere in the middle, with some exaggeration on both sides. From what I’ve read, Williams reaction when she got out of the car and her subsequent willingness to become a tabloid celebrity, suggests she isn’t a completely innocent victim in all of this.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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It’s mad that we need to put a disclaimer at the end of every post, to avoid it being classed as your own opinion rather than just a theory.
But that’s the world Mamba lives in....
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Where have I classed anything Term.
Why can't you understand that the same way you feel you're just sharing an opinion is the same way I feel?
Shoot... in my opinion, police would never or shoild never apologise just to calm things down. That would be a dangerous precedent. That's just not something cops would suddenly start doing. A retraction or apology should only be issued in the most clear of circumstances. I don't think it should be a frivolous affair at all but sometimes mistakes will happen, can't escape that.
There's rotten fruits in every grouping of people and if something happens, then it serves all parties, including police, if you deal with it maturely. They figured this at Scotland Yard and things will be better for it in the long term.
IMO it shows maturity and a police force that is willing to look at issues and try to solve them. This helps to avoid situations like we see in the USA and build up the image of the police.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by *Prankster 20/20 (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
I think I will go with what the police say for now until further evidence is presented.
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Based on?
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Based on the fact we have nothing else to go on at this moment. Yet your basis for doubting the police version of events is that the police have lied in the past. Not the greatest argument I’ve ever seen put forward.....
For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.
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I agree. But still, it doesn't mean you shut up if they do something wrong. Considering the nature of police work, in close relation with the people, then constructive criticism would go a long way in solving a problem or improving an issue. That's not to say cops in general are not heros and heroines.
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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It’s mad that we need to put a disclaimer at the end of every post, to avoid it being classed as your own opinion rather than just a theory.
But that’s the world Mamba lives in....
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Where have I classed anything Term.
Why can't you understand that the same way you feel you're just sharing an opinion is the same way I feel?
Shoot... in my opinion, police would never or shoild never apologise just to calm things down. That would be a dangerous precedent. That's just not something cops would suddenly start doing. A retraction or apology should only be issued in the most clear of circumstances. I don't think it should be a frivolous affair at all but sometimes mistakes will happen, can't escape that.
There's rotten fruits in every grouping of people and if something happens, then it serves all parties, including police, if you deal with it maturely. They figured this at Scotland Yard and things will be better for it in the long term.
IMO it shows maturity and a police force that is willing to look at issues and try to solve them. This helps to avoid situations like we see in the USA and build up the image of the police.
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You’ve done it all the way through this. You’ve been stating that something posted is someone’s opinion, despite them saying it isn’t, and that they’re only putting possibilities forward.
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“ You’re definitely biased in one direction, seemingly very happy to take Williams’s account of events at face value, whilst suggesting the police are more likely to be lying than telling the truth”
Haven’t suggested that at all. If you’re misinterpreting my comments that’s your own fault, not mine. Perhaps down to your own biases and nothing to do with me.
I countered the assumption of truth some, not yourself, made about them driving on the wrong side of the road. Ie ‘they were driving on the wrong side of the road’ because the police said they were. If anything it’s the assumption the police must be telling the truth I take issue with.
There have been plenty of examples of them police must be telling the truth’ because they are the police leading to miscarriages of justice. This is a fact. To dismiss this is naive or wilfully ignorant. Have I said this is the case here? No. I have suggested not taking the first accounts from police as the truth.
You also seem shocked that taking a law abiding citizens account on face value is wrong somehow. I could understand your point if it was a convicted bank robber. But what reason is there not to believe their account, some perceived want for celebrity aside?
Find it odd seeing people take the police’s word as truth over Williams for no good reason.
You’ve done it all the way through this. You’ve been stating that something posted is someone’s opinion, despite them saying it isn’t, and that they’re only putting possibilities forward.
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I've not done the former and the latter is true.
“ For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.”
Well they get it right most of the time so.......
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 17 seconds ago
For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.
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I agree. But still, it doesn't mean you shut up if they do something wrong. Considering the nature of police work, in close relation with the people, then constructive criticism would go a long way in solving a problem or improving an issue. That's not to say cops in general are not heros and heroines.
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I agree, if the police in general or an individual officer are proven to have done something wrong, either knowingly or in error, then it needs addressing.
In this particular case, as far as we’re all aware it’s one persons version against another, yet it’s being suggested that the police’s version that they were driving on the wrong side of the road and then failed to stop is more than likely to be made up.
There’s too much of an assumption of racism flying around at the moment, and it’s a slippery slope.
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 58 seconds ago
“ For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.”
Well they get it right most of the time so.......
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Well the police have lied in the past so......
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by *Prankster 20/20 (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
I think I will go with what the police say for now until further evidence is presented.
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Based on?
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based on they released a statement saying this is what happened.
Also as stated previously the reactions of the occupants of the car when pulled over which for me were quite outrageous and over the top.
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If we're taking the police's word for it then I like to think there's a hierarchy.
"The commissioner said she has asked for a review into the Met’s handcuffing practices, which she insisted is not “routine”.
“Yesterday two of our officers spoke on our behalf to Ms Williams and I think all of us watching could empathise with someone stopped in a vehicle who has a young child in the back, who probably does not know exactly what’s going on, and who is subsequently found together with her partner not to be found carrying any illicit goods,” Dame Cressida told MPs.
If it was true they drove on the wrong side and refused to stop when ordered to do so by police, why would the boss say "who probably does not know exactly what’s going on".
You also seem shocked that taking a law abiding citizens account on face value is wrong somehow. I could understand your point if it was a convicted bank robber. But what reason is there not to believe their account, some perceived want for celebrity aside?
Find it odd seeing people take the police’s word as truth over Williams for no good reason.
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Yet you’re leaning the other way, despite having no idea if the officer involved has ever been disciplined for making things up in the past. It works both ways. And yet again, I’ve said that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, I’ve not actually been totally biased either way.
You can accuse me of being an idealist for hoping the police are generally honest, which I formally believe they are. The suggestion that they are institutionally racist and corrupt is a gross exaggeration imo, and a result of so many people jumping a particular bandwagon and exploiting a few sad and unacceptable, but isolated, Incidents.
In this particular case, as far as we’re all aware it’s one persons version against another, yet it’s being suggested that the police’s version that they were driving on the wrong side of the road and then failed to stop is more than likely to be made up.
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You must admit that if it the cop story is true then Scotland Yard is throwing those cops under the bus, no?
I assume the police union would have something to say about that. If their actions were legitimate and there is proof of driving on the wrong side and failing to stop, proof which Scotland yard has seen and ignored, then they should be livid with the apology.
The assumption should be that there was no evidence of the alleged offences and that's why an apology was issued, no? Is that not logical?
I'm jumping the gun a bit though, have to wait for investigations.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 39 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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Don’t know. Still waiting on this evidence they drove on the wrong side of the road though. Gone conveniently quiet on that front hasn’t it.
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All evidence doesn't have to or get presented to the public.
What has happened to the officers involved?
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Yet the first video showing them doing nothing wrong was released to Sky.
Don’t know yet. The situation is ongoing and being investigated.
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Because it was Bianca's footage, not police footage.
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The CCTV footage of the car driving on the right side of the road belonged to Williams?
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“ The suggestion that they are institutionally racist and corrupt is a gross exaggeration imo”
Which I haven’t done
God forbid anyone suggest, based on prior incidents, that just because the police said they drove on the wrong side of the road doesn’t mean they did.
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fields
If we're taking the police's word for it then I like to think there's a hierarchy.
"The commissioner said she has asked for a review into the Met’s handcuffing practices, which she insisted is not “routine”.
“Yesterday two of our officers spoke on our behalf to Ms Williams and I think all of us watching could empathise with someone stopped in a vehicle who has a young child in the back, who probably does not know exactly what’s going on, and who is subsequently found together with her partner not to be found carrying any illicit goods,” Dame Cressida told MPs.
If it was true they drove on the wrong side and refused to stop when ordered to do so by police, why would the boss say "who probably does not know exactly what’s going on".
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She’s referring to a young child with that, so I’m guessing she’s trying to show some empathy and trying to see both sides of it 🤷🏻♂️ We can’t also dismiss the possibility that she’s also trying to reduce tensions in these particularly tense and sensitive times.....
She’s referring to a young child with that, so I’m guessing she’s trying to show some empathy and trying to see both sides of it 🤷🏻♂️ We can’t also dismiss the possibility that she’s also trying to reduce tensions in these particularly tense and sensitive times.....
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The child is a part of it but she mentions they had no idea what was going on. That should be impossible if the cops are telling the truth.
I guess there's a chance you could be right, have to wait and see
"Two reviews of the circumstances by the Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards have not identified misconduct for any officer involved."
The Metropolitan Police Federation, a representative body for London police officers, called on the public to remember that a "short clip of an incident widely shared on social media does not always tell the full operational policing story."
Ken Marsh, chairman of the Federation, said: “We are aware the actions of Metropolitan Police officers over a Maida Vale vehicle stop on Saturday 4 July have now been referred to the Independent Office for Police Conduct.
“We can assure colleagues that we have been supporting the officers involved since the incident gained prominence – and we note that two separate reviews of the circumstances by the Metropolitan Police’s Directorate of Professional Standards have not identified misconduct by any officer involved.
“We call on the Independent Office for Police Conduct to conclude their work in a fair and timely fashion for the benefits of all parties concerned."
t comes after Helen Harper, Scotland Yard's Commander for Central West, said the Met's standards watchdog had found no issues of misconduct after reviewing officers' body worn camera footage on Monday.
“However, that does not mean there isn’t something to be learnt from every interaction we have with the public," she said in a statement.
Labour leader Keir Starmer, a former Director of Public Prosecutions, said the incident had given the police a major headache and said that the use of handcuffs was difficult to justify.
Sir Keir said: “I’ve looked at the video footage, the video footage only deals with what happened at the car, so I can’t say what happened before they got to the car.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Term
“ The suggestion that they are institutionally racist and corrupt is a gross exaggeration imo”
Which I haven’t done
God forbid anyone suggest, based on prior incidents, that just because the police said they drove on the wrong side of the road doesn’t mean they did.
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That wasn’t directed at you, it was a general observation which is being thrown around pretty freely at the moment. If you’d quoted the whole paragraph as opposed to one sentence then it’s pretty clear.
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
She’s referring to a young child with that, so I’m guessing she’s trying to show some empathy and trying to see both sides of it 🤷🏻♂️ We can’t also dismiss the possibility that she’s also trying to reduce tensions in these particularly tense and sensitive times.....
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The child is a part of it but she mentions they had no idea what was going on. That should be impossible if the cops are telling the truth.
I guess there's a chance you could be right, have to wait and see
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No, she’s definitely referring specifically to the child. It’s clear from the quote you’ve provided.
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posted on 10/7/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 39 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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Don’t know. Still waiting on this evidence they drove on the wrong side of the road though. Gone conveniently quiet on that front hasn’t it.
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All evidence doesn't have to or get presented to the public.
What has happened to the officers involved?
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Yet the first video showing them doing nothing wrong was released to Sky.
Don’t know yet. The situation is ongoing and being investigated.
posted on 10/7/20
comment by *Prankster 20/20 (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
I think I will go with what the police say for now until further evidence is presented.
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Based on?
posted on 10/7/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 39 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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Don’t know. Still waiting on this evidence they drove on the wrong side of the road though. Gone conveniently quiet on that front hasn’t it.
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This is the point I’m making about yourself. Everything you say is weighted towards an assumption that the police are completely in the wrong, and your rhetoric suggests that this is your general opinion of the police.
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No it’s not. I just don’t work on the assumption that if the police said it it must be true. It’s not like there’s been plenty of instances in the past where they have lied or anything.
See Term this is where you’ve gone wrong. Show me where I’ve said the police are guilty/in the wrong in the Williams case?
I haven’t. I’ve suggested, in the face of some saying ‘well they were driving on the wrong side of the road’ that this may not be true. Williams disputes this. The only evidence, it’s taken days to come up with, shows them on the right side of the road, and the police van on the wrong side of the road.
I find it weird some are so defensive about the suggestion that the police may be in the wrong about this. So defensive they come up with shiite like this;
“ If you read Annie’s posts earlier, then it’s pretty obvious he holds all police in utter contempt”
I’m sorry for questioning the police Term. It’s obviously upset you for some reason
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That’s how I’m interpreting how you’re posting and I stick by it. You’re definitely biased in one direction, seemingly very happy to take Williams’s account of events at face value, whilst suggesting the police are more likely to be lying than telling the truth. For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so. ‘Plenty of instances of them lying in the past’ just stinks of a bias against them.
Yet again, I’ve stated I don’t know who is in the wrong on this occasion. My guess is that the truth may be somewhere in the middle, with some exaggeration on both sides. From what I’ve read, Williams reaction when she got out of the car and her subsequent willingness to become a tabloid celebrity, suggests she isn’t a completely innocent victim in all of this.
posted on 10/7/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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It’s mad that we need to put a disclaimer at the end of every post, to avoid it being classed as your own opinion rather than just a theory.
But that’s the world Mamba lives in....
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Where have I classed anything Term.
Why can't you understand that the same way you feel you're just sharing an opinion is the same way I feel?
Shoot... in my opinion, police would never or shoild never apologise just to calm things down. That would be a dangerous precedent. That's just not something cops would suddenly start doing. A retraction or apology should only be issued in the most clear of circumstances. I don't think it should be a frivolous affair at all but sometimes mistakes will happen, can't escape that.
There's rotten fruits in every grouping of people and if something happens, then it serves all parties, including police, if you deal with it maturely. They figured this at Scotland Yard and things will be better for it in the long term.
IMO it shows maturity and a police force that is willing to look at issues and try to solve them. This helps to avoid situations like we see in the USA and build up the image of the police.
posted on 10/7/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by *Prankster 20/20 (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
I think I will go with what the police say for now until further evidence is presented.
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Based on?
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Based on the fact we have nothing else to go on at this moment. Yet your basis for doubting the police version of events is that the police have lied in the past. Not the greatest argument I’ve ever seen put forward.....
posted on 10/7/20
For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.
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I agree. But still, it doesn't mean you shut up if they do something wrong. Considering the nature of police work, in close relation with the people, then constructive criticism would go a long way in solving a problem or improving an issue. That's not to say cops in general are not heros and heroines.
posted on 10/7/20
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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It’s mad that we need to put a disclaimer at the end of every post, to avoid it being classed as your own opinion rather than just a theory.
But that’s the world Mamba lives in....
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Where have I classed anything Term.
Why can't you understand that the same way you feel you're just sharing an opinion is the same way I feel?
Shoot... in my opinion, police would never or shoild never apologise just to calm things down. That would be a dangerous precedent. That's just not something cops would suddenly start doing. A retraction or apology should only be issued in the most clear of circumstances. I don't think it should be a frivolous affair at all but sometimes mistakes will happen, can't escape that.
There's rotten fruits in every grouping of people and if something happens, then it serves all parties, including police, if you deal with it maturely. They figured this at Scotland Yard and things will be better for it in the long term.
IMO it shows maturity and a police force that is willing to look at issues and try to solve them. This helps to avoid situations like we see in the USA and build up the image of the police.
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You’ve done it all the way through this. You’ve been stating that something posted is someone’s opinion, despite them saying it isn’t, and that they’re only putting possibilities forward.
posted on 10/7/20
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“ You’re definitely biased in one direction, seemingly very happy to take Williams’s account of events at face value, whilst suggesting the police are more likely to be lying than telling the truth”
Haven’t suggested that at all. If you’re misinterpreting my comments that’s your own fault, not mine. Perhaps down to your own biases and nothing to do with me.
I countered the assumption of truth some, not yourself, made about them driving on the wrong side of the road. Ie ‘they were driving on the wrong side of the road’ because the police said they were. If anything it’s the assumption the police must be telling the truth I take issue with.
There have been plenty of examples of them police must be telling the truth’ because they are the police leading to miscarriages of justice. This is a fact. To dismiss this is naive or wilfully ignorant. Have I said this is the case here? No. I have suggested not taking the first accounts from police as the truth.
You also seem shocked that taking a law abiding citizens account on face value is wrong somehow. I could understand your point if it was a convicted bank robber. But what reason is there not to believe their account, some perceived want for celebrity aside?
Find it odd seeing people take the police’s word as truth over Williams for no good reason.
posted on 10/7/20
You’ve done it all the way through this. You’ve been stating that something posted is someone’s opinion, despite them saying it isn’t, and that they’re only putting possibilities forward.
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I've not done the former and the latter is true.
posted on 10/7/20
“ For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.”
Well they get it right most of the time so.......
posted on 10/7/20
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 17 seconds ago
For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.
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I agree. But still, it doesn't mean you shut up if they do something wrong. Considering the nature of police work, in close relation with the people, then constructive criticism would go a long way in solving a problem or improving an issue. That's not to say cops in general are not heros and heroines.
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I agree, if the police in general or an individual officer are proven to have done something wrong, either knowingly or in error, then it needs addressing.
In this particular case, as far as we’re all aware it’s one persons version against another, yet it’s being suggested that the police’s version that they were driving on the wrong side of the road and then failed to stop is more than likely to be made up.
There’s too much of an assumption of racism flying around at the moment, and it’s a slippery slope.
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posted on 10/7/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 58 seconds ago
“ For every case you can find of the police doing something wrong, you will find thousands of them not doing so.”
Well they get it right most of the time so.......
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Well the police have lied in the past so......
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posted on 10/7/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by *Prankster 20/20 (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
I think I will go with what the police say for now until further evidence is presented.
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Based on?
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based on they released a statement saying this is what happened.
Also as stated previously the reactions of the occupants of the car when pulled over which for me were quite outrageous and over the top.
posted on 10/7/20
Fields
If we're taking the police's word for it then I like to think there's a hierarchy.
"The commissioner said she has asked for a review into the Met’s handcuffing practices, which she insisted is not “routine”.
“Yesterday two of our officers spoke on our behalf to Ms Williams and I think all of us watching could empathise with someone stopped in a vehicle who has a young child in the back, who probably does not know exactly what’s going on, and who is subsequently found together with her partner not to be found carrying any illicit goods,” Dame Cressida told MPs.
If it was true they drove on the wrong side and refused to stop when ordered to do so by police, why would the boss say "who probably does not know exactly what’s going on".
posted on 10/7/20
You also seem shocked that taking a law abiding citizens account on face value is wrong somehow. I could understand your point if it was a convicted bank robber. But what reason is there not to believe their account, some perceived want for celebrity aside?
Find it odd seeing people take the police’s word as truth over Williams for no good reason.
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Yet you’re leaning the other way, despite having no idea if the officer involved has ever been disciplined for making things up in the past. It works both ways. And yet again, I’ve said that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, I’ve not actually been totally biased either way.
You can accuse me of being an idealist for hoping the police are generally honest, which I formally believe they are. The suggestion that they are institutionally racist and corrupt is a gross exaggeration imo, and a result of so many people jumping a particular bandwagon and exploiting a few sad and unacceptable, but isolated, Incidents.
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In this particular case, as far as we’re all aware it’s one persons version against another, yet it’s being suggested that the police’s version that they were driving on the wrong side of the road and then failed to stop is more than likely to be made up.
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You must admit that if it the cop story is true then Scotland Yard is throwing those cops under the bus, no?
I assume the police union would have something to say about that. If their actions were legitimate and there is proof of driving on the wrong side and failing to stop, proof which Scotland yard has seen and ignored, then they should be livid with the apology.
The assumption should be that there was no evidence of the alleged offences and that's why an apology was issued, no? Is that not logical?
I'm jumping the gun a bit though, have to wait for investigations.
posted on 10/7/20
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It isn't beyond possibility that the apology was given to calm things down. That's not to say it is the reason though.
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Don’t know. Still waiting on this evidence they drove on the wrong side of the road though. Gone conveniently quiet on that front hasn’t it.
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All evidence doesn't have to or get presented to the public.
What has happened to the officers involved?
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Yet the first video showing them doing nothing wrong was released to Sky.
Don’t know yet. The situation is ongoing and being investigated.
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Because it was Bianca's footage, not police footage.
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The CCTV footage of the car driving on the right side of the road belonged to Williams?
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“ The suggestion that they are institutionally racist and corrupt is a gross exaggeration imo”
Which I haven’t done
God forbid anyone suggest, based on prior incidents, that just because the police said they drove on the wrong side of the road doesn’t mean they did.
posted on 10/7/20
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If we're taking the police's word for it then I like to think there's a hierarchy.
"The commissioner said she has asked for a review into the Met’s handcuffing practices, which she insisted is not “routine”.
“Yesterday two of our officers spoke on our behalf to Ms Williams and I think all of us watching could empathise with someone stopped in a vehicle who has a young child in the back, who probably does not know exactly what’s going on, and who is subsequently found together with her partner not to be found carrying any illicit goods,” Dame Cressida told MPs.
If it was true they drove on the wrong side and refused to stop when ordered to do so by police, why would the boss say "who probably does not know exactly what’s going on".
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She’s referring to a young child with that, so I’m guessing she’s trying to show some empathy and trying to see both sides of it 🤷🏻♂️ We can’t also dismiss the possibility that she’s also trying to reduce tensions in these particularly tense and sensitive times.....
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She’s referring to a young child with that, so I’m guessing she’s trying to show some empathy and trying to see both sides of it 🤷🏻♂️ We can’t also dismiss the possibility that she’s also trying to reduce tensions in these particularly tense and sensitive times.....
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The child is a part of it but she mentions they had no idea what was going on. That should be impossible if the cops are telling the truth.
I guess there's a chance you could be right, have to wait and see
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"Two reviews of the circumstances by the Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards have not identified misconduct for any officer involved."
The Metropolitan Police Federation, a representative body for London police officers, called on the public to remember that a "short clip of an incident widely shared on social media does not always tell the full operational policing story."
Ken Marsh, chairman of the Federation, said: “We are aware the actions of Metropolitan Police officers over a Maida Vale vehicle stop on Saturday 4 July have now been referred to the Independent Office for Police Conduct.
“We can assure colleagues that we have been supporting the officers involved since the incident gained prominence – and we note that two separate reviews of the circumstances by the Metropolitan Police’s Directorate of Professional Standards have not identified misconduct by any officer involved.
“We call on the Independent Office for Police Conduct to conclude their work in a fair and timely fashion for the benefits of all parties concerned."
t comes after Helen Harper, Scotland Yard's Commander for Central West, said the Met's standards watchdog had found no issues of misconduct after reviewing officers' body worn camera footage on Monday.
“However, that does not mean there isn’t something to be learnt from every interaction we have with the public," she said in a statement.
Labour leader Keir Starmer, a former Director of Public Prosecutions, said the incident had given the police a major headache and said that the use of handcuffs was difficult to justify.
Sir Keir said: “I’ve looked at the video footage, the video footage only deals with what happened at the car, so I can’t say what happened before they got to the car.
posted on 10/7/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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“ The suggestion that they are institutionally racist and corrupt is a gross exaggeration imo”
Which I haven’t done
God forbid anyone suggest, based on prior incidents, that just because the police said they drove on the wrong side of the road doesn’t mean they did.
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That wasn’t directed at you, it was a general observation which is being thrown around pretty freely at the moment. If you’d quoted the whole paragraph as opposed to one sentence then it’s pretty clear.
posted on 10/7/20
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
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She’s referring to a young child with that, so I’m guessing she’s trying to show some empathy and trying to see both sides of it 🤷🏻♂️ We can’t also dismiss the possibility that she’s also trying to reduce tensions in these particularly tense and sensitive times.....
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The child is a part of it but she mentions they had no idea what was going on. That should be impossible if the cops are telling the truth.
I guess there's a chance you could be right, have to wait and see
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No, she’s definitely referring specifically to the child. It’s clear from the quote you’ve provided.
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