Isn't there talk that for teams who get in the latter stages for CL and EL then they will get a later start date in league. It will still lead to fixture congestion later on granted.
There is no way around it other than cancelling the current European season which won't happen.
Yep, be very suprised if pep doesn’t come out and query it too. Fully expect multiple injuries next season
If you have 3 weeks off, you still have to play the same number of games in a season.
But it does look to me as if they haven't really come to any solutions regarding the upcoming season. There is yet to be an announcement of what happens with the EFL Cup. Imo the CL should have been a one legged knockout again next season, giving more time to spread games out.
With the World Cup in 2022 being in the winter, i think there could have been a lot more done to arrange a fair better solution over the next couple of years. I understand wanting to get back to some sort of normality, but with Qatar22 that isn't happening anyway.
What fecked it really was UEFA setting the Euro 21 date for June before anyone knew when we'd even restart. There was just no need to do it.
If it had been set for July/August we could feasibly have restarted in October time. It wouldve helped line things up a bit for the 2022 world cup too.
As it is though I don't think we have much choice.
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Isn't there talk that for teams who get in the latter stages for CL and EL then they will get a later start date in league. It will still lead to fixture congestion later on granted.
There is no way around it other than cancelling the current European season which won't happen.
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UEFA have made things very difficult for the top leagues by re-scheduling the Euros to start in the second week of June 2021.
Ideally, they’d have shortened (if not cancelled) the event, and run it over two-and-a-half weeks from the end of June.
What’d have been fundamentally wrong with a seeded, single leg knockout approach?
pc gone mad if i was getting paid £300000000 a week i would happily play 6 times a week player's need too toughen up rugby much more physical and they get paid less and dont complain tour de france cycle for more then 90 minutes every day dont complain coal miner's and soldier's in the war
I can see why he brought this up. Surely, the post lockdown congested fixtures have taken its toll on players. But, at the same token, you’d assume this would be the case every team ?
I can see why Lampard complained about it, and most epl coaches in the league would most likely with him too !
I don't really agree.
5 weeks is surely enough time to manage recuperation and get ready for the season.
What does he expect? A full pre-season?
It's just not practical.
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 14 minutes ago
Isn't there talk that for teams who get in the latter stages for CL and EL then they will get a later start date in league. It will still lead to fixture congestion later on granted.
There is no way around it other than cancelling the current European season which won't happen.
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They’d still have to catch up those fixtures, I’m not sure which one would be preferable tbh.
Yes, I would say that the majority of managers in a similar position, would agree with him .
Afternoon Rosso.
Surely players had a huge break and want to get back match fit asap?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't really agree.
5 weeks is surely enough time to manage recuperation and get ready for the season.
What does he expect? A full pre-season?
It's just not practical.
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Another factor is an international break from 30th August to 10th September.
So there is not really 5 weeks.
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't really agree.
5 weeks is surely enough time to manage recuperation and get ready for the season.
What does he expect? A full pre-season?
It's just not practical.
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Another factor is an international break from 30th August to 10th September.
So there is not really 5 weeks.
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Ah okay, fair point.
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 39 seconds ago
Afternoon Rosso.
Surely players had a huge break and want to get back match fit asap?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, tbab.
What players might want and what their bodies need are two very different things.
At the end of each season, players’ muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints and bones even are desperately in need of rest. Their bodies have been through an ongoing process of desperately attempting to remodel as microtears and micro-overextensions have been progressively taking their toll on soft and hard tissue condition. When that rest doesn’t come, degeneration and fatigue inevitably results in microtrauma, and worse, can lead to macrotrauma as bodies attempt to overcompensate for pains and aches or simply buckle under extended pressure.
I’m not an expert in sports and fitness science. But I’ve read enough to know that medical and fitness and conditioning teams will be very worried about the cumulative stress on some players’ bodies, which will end up running non-stop through a season-and-a-half’s club fixtures in a calendar year, swiftly followed by a European Championships next summer.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
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The first one - shouldn't really be friendlies should there? Seems pointless given the schedules.
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The first one - shouldn't really be friendlies should there? Seems pointless given the schedules.
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The issue is that there's an International tournament to plan for, I suppose.
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 39 seconds ago
Afternoon Rosso.
Surely players had a huge break and want to get back match fit asap?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, tbab.
What players might want and what their bodies need are two very different things.
At the end of each season, players’ muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints and bones even are desperately in need of rest. Their bodies have been through an ongoing process of desperately attempting to remodel as microtears and micro-overextensions have been progressively taking their toll on soft and hard tissue condition. When that rest doesn’t come, degeneration and fatigue inevitably results in microtrauma, and worse, can lead to macrotrauma as bodies attempt to overcompensate for pains and aches or simply buckle under extended pressure.
I’m not an expert in sports and fitness science. But I’ve read enough to know that medical and fitness and conditioning teams will be very worried about the cumulative stress on some players’ bodies, which will end up running non-stop through a season-and-a-half’s club fixtures in a calendar year, swiftly followed by a European Championships next summer.
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Also, players might be okay to carry on now with a little break - but many will now have games from now (well beginning of June) until the end of the 2022 season, which includes a World Cup in November/December.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The first one - shouldn't really be friendlies should there? Seems pointless given the schedules.
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The issue is that there's an International tournament to plan for, I suppose.
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There are 6-8 Nations League games as well though. If I were Southgate or another international manager, I would happily sack off the friendlies to give players a rest in Autumn.
They already banned fouling in the early 90s, banned tackling in the 2010s, so surely now the pressure must be on to ban injuries? I get how they are an important part of the game and allow subs and fringe players to get a chance but surely they are becoming more hassle than they are worth?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that PL sides should have dispensation to play their U23 sides in the League Cup, certainly.
I’d be a little wary of allowing PL clubs to withdraw from the Cup given the potential impact on lower league sides.
The September international break is complete and utter nonsense, and the rest of the 2020 international breaks, as well as the Nations’ League, should be cancelled.
Tough one. We have to remember there's a Euros in the summer and Qatar int he winter of 2022, a lot for the PL to consider for the long term.
This is obviously a huge benefit for any sides not in European competition going into next season. In fact I think it means Liverpool have all but won the title before a ball is kicked.
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posted on 3/8/20
Isn't there talk that for teams who get in the latter stages for CL and EL then they will get a later start date in league. It will still lead to fixture congestion later on granted.
There is no way around it other than cancelling the current European season which won't happen.
posted on 3/8/20
Yep, be very suprised if pep doesn’t come out and query it too. Fully expect multiple injuries next season
posted on 3/8/20
If you have 3 weeks off, you still have to play the same number of games in a season.
But it does look to me as if they haven't really come to any solutions regarding the upcoming season. There is yet to be an announcement of what happens with the EFL Cup. Imo the CL should have been a one legged knockout again next season, giving more time to spread games out.
With the World Cup in 2022 being in the winter, i think there could have been a lot more done to arrange a fair better solution over the next couple of years. I understand wanting to get back to some sort of normality, but with Qatar22 that isn't happening anyway.
posted on 3/8/20
What fecked it really was UEFA setting the Euro 21 date for June before anyone knew when we'd even restart. There was just no need to do it.
If it had been set for July/August we could feasibly have restarted in October time. It wouldve helped line things up a bit for the 2022 world cup too.
As it is though I don't think we have much choice.
posted on 3/8/20
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Isn't there talk that for teams who get in the latter stages for CL and EL then they will get a later start date in league. It will still lead to fixture congestion later on granted.
There is no way around it other than cancelling the current European season which won't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
UEFA have made things very difficult for the top leagues by re-scheduling the Euros to start in the second week of June 2021.
Ideally, they’d have shortened (if not cancelled) the event, and run it over two-and-a-half weeks from the end of June.
What’d have been fundamentally wrong with a seeded, single leg knockout approach?
posted on 3/8/20
pc gone mad if i was getting paid £300000000 a week i would happily play 6 times a week player's need too toughen up rugby much more physical and they get paid less and dont complain tour de france cycle for more then 90 minutes every day dont complain coal miner's and soldier's in the war
posted on 3/8/20
I can see why he brought this up. Surely, the post lockdown congested fixtures have taken its toll on players. But, at the same token, you’d assume this would be the case every team ?
I can see why Lampard complained about it, and most epl coaches in the league would most likely with him too !
posted on 3/8/20
I don't really agree.
5 weeks is surely enough time to manage recuperation and get ready for the season.
What does he expect? A full pre-season?
It's just not practical.
posted on 3/8/20
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 14 minutes ago
Isn't there talk that for teams who get in the latter stages for CL and EL then they will get a later start date in league. It will still lead to fixture congestion later on granted.
There is no way around it other than cancelling the current European season which won't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’d still have to catch up those fixtures, I’m not sure which one would be preferable tbh.
posted on 3/8/20
Yes, I would say that the majority of managers in a similar position, would agree with him .
posted on 3/8/20
Afternoon Rosso.
Surely players had a huge break and want to get back match fit asap?
posted on 3/8/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't really agree.
5 weeks is surely enough time to manage recuperation and get ready for the season.
What does he expect? A full pre-season?
It's just not practical.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Another factor is an international break from 30th August to 10th September.
So there is not really 5 weeks.
posted on 3/8/20
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posted on 3/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't really agree.
5 weeks is surely enough time to manage recuperation and get ready for the season.
What does he expect? A full pre-season?
It's just not practical.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Another factor is an international break from 30th August to 10th September.
So there is not really 5 weeks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah okay, fair point.
posted on 3/8/20
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
posted on 3/8/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 39 seconds ago
Afternoon Rosso.
Surely players had a huge break and want to get back match fit asap?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, tbab.
What players might want and what their bodies need are two very different things.
At the end of each season, players’ muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints and bones even are desperately in need of rest. Their bodies have been through an ongoing process of desperately attempting to remodel as microtears and micro-overextensions have been progressively taking their toll on soft and hard tissue condition. When that rest doesn’t come, degeneration and fatigue inevitably results in microtrauma, and worse, can lead to macrotrauma as bodies attempt to overcompensate for pains and aches or simply buckle under extended pressure.
I’m not an expert in sports and fitness science. But I’ve read enough to know that medical and fitness and conditioning teams will be very worried about the cumulative stress on some players’ bodies, which will end up running non-stop through a season-and-a-half’s club fixtures in a calendar year, swiftly followed by a European Championships next summer.
posted on 3/8/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The first one - shouldn't really be friendlies should there? Seems pointless given the schedules.
posted on 3/8/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 3/8/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The first one - shouldn't really be friendlies should there? Seems pointless given the schedules.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The issue is that there's an International tournament to plan for, I suppose.
posted on 3/8/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 39 seconds ago
Afternoon Rosso.
Surely players had a huge break and want to get back match fit asap?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, tbab.
What players might want and what their bodies need are two very different things.
At the end of each season, players’ muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints and bones even are desperately in need of rest. Their bodies have been through an ongoing process of desperately attempting to remodel as microtears and micro-overextensions have been progressively taking their toll on soft and hard tissue condition. When that rest doesn’t come, degeneration and fatigue inevitably results in microtrauma, and worse, can lead to macrotrauma as bodies attempt to overcompensate for pains and aches or simply buckle under extended pressure.
I’m not an expert in sports and fitness science. But I’ve read enough to know that medical and fitness and conditioning teams will be very worried about the cumulative stress on some players’ bodies, which will end up running non-stop through a season-and-a-half’s club fixtures in a calendar year, swiftly followed by a European Championships next summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, players might be okay to carry on now with a little break - but many will now have games from now (well beginning of June) until the end of the 2022 season, which includes a World Cup in November/December.
posted on 3/8/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 3/8/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 40 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The first one - shouldn't really be friendlies should there? Seems pointless given the schedules.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The issue is that there's an International tournament to plan for, I suppose.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are 6-8 Nations League games as well though. If I were Southgate or another international manager, I would happily sack off the friendlies to give players a rest in Autumn.
posted on 3/8/20
They already banned fouling in the early 90s, banned tackling in the 2010s, so surely now the pressure must be on to ban injuries? I get how they are an important part of the game and allow subs and fringe players to get a chance but surely they are becoming more hassle than they are worth?
posted on 3/8/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 seconds ago
Some practical thinking:
- Players from clubs with extended seasons exempted from autumn international friendlies
- Dispensation not to participate in the League Cup
- Dispensation not to participate in the Europa League
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that PL sides should have dispensation to play their U23 sides in the League Cup, certainly.
I’d be a little wary of allowing PL clubs to withdraw from the Cup given the potential impact on lower league sides.
The September international break is complete and utter nonsense, and the rest of the 2020 international breaks, as well as the Nations’ League, should be cancelled.
posted on 3/8/20
Tough one. We have to remember there's a Euros in the summer and Qatar int he winter of 2022, a lot for the PL to consider for the long term.
This is obviously a huge benefit for any sides not in European competition going into next season. In fact I think it means Liverpool have all but won the title before a ball is kicked.
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