comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
Why has this video and information come out now? After so long.
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You can find it easily enough, it's all over reddit.
Basically he refuses to get out of the car after being asked around 25 times, repeating "please don't shoot me". The officer seems to show a little empathy to this point advising he won't shoot him and to please get out of the car.
It's not totally clear what happens after that, but it doesn't seem like a usual arrest if somebody is cooperating.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
Hmmm interesting. I’ll still wait until the outcome but I do agree that there will be riots and probably just from this leak let alone if he gets off for murder.
The US training & procedures probably does need addressing but at the same time I also feel for the cops over there simply because of the amount of guns on the street.
I think two cops got blasted and killed responding to a domestic a few weeks ago, if you’re their colleagues you’re going to be very fearful with every encounter.
But it’s like that disturbing video we discussed a few weeks back with the white couple in a hotel and the hijab and got blasted to death by the cops all on body cam and the weird part of the procedure was they asked him to raise to his knees and then shuffle/crawl to them rather than just tell him to stay still on the floor with his hands behind his head and not to move a muscle, then approach him. Completely mad making the guy crawl to you on his knees....
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Hijab lol husband
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
The most recent bodycam footage does seem to show Floyd in an intoxicated, possibly delirious state.
Although I'm not sure how I'd respond to police pointing a gun at me, I'd probably cooperate.
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Well yes but we’re not as used to guns as they are in the US so they’re more likely to react.
It’s still the wrong thing to do as many black men, celebs etc have said many times it’s: “yes officer, no officer, am I free to go officer?” Hands on the wheel at 10 & 2 and if they do anything illegal to you as a citizen then deal with it after not at the time.
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I agree, but he was clearly off his nut.
If a rule book told me it was ok to drive head first into a pile of citizens to stop a peaceful protest, it wouldn’t be ok.
It's amazing how the officer is getting done for murder yet the gypsy sc u m who killed pc Harper are getting away with manslaughter. The law system is truly fkarood.
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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If he was already saying he couldn't breathe, and was foaming St the mouth, then why put him in a position that makes both situations worse, then keep him in that position for several minutes?
This is a problem, the force used, even if you can legally find holes to get the officers acquitted the overall approach needs to be less aggressive.
Interesting take on it.
I read a different take on it. One which stated his state was due to anxiety and mental health issues he had been experiencing, which he repeatedly told the officers. His ex, who was there at the time explained to them that he gets extreme anxiety around police as he had been shot before.
Also I read that the police released information about drugs causing his death but when those on the defense side, looked into it, the cause was actually asphyxiation.
I suppose it just depends on what side you read. The truth will come out, during the court case. My feelings are, from the evidence I've seen is that at least one cop will be doing some time.
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
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I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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I enjoyed this.
comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
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Absolutely this.
And this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people-unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416
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comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
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It was actually in the rules that he could kill him with his knee. Don't blame the officer, it was against the rules not to kill him. The officer would have been facing a lengthy jail sentence if he had not kept his knee on his neck to kill him. It's the rules.
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
Isnt there a minimum level of force that should be used in each incident or words to that effect ?
In the George floyd incident surely handcuffs along with cable ties applied to the legs would have neutralized all chances of harm to the officers while still safely restraining the suspect.
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
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It was actually in the rules that he could kill him with his knee. Don't blame the officer, it was against the rules not to kill him. The officer would have been facing a lengthy jail sentence if he had not kept his knee on his neck to kill him. It's the rules.
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Haha spot on as usual Barry.
Just in case anyone is unsure Police aren't suppossed to kill guilty people either.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
Interesting take on it.
I read a different take on it. One which stated his state was due to anxiety and mental health issues he had been experiencing, which he repeatedly told the officers. His ex, who was there at the time explained to them that he gets extreme anxiety around police as he had been shot before.
Also I read that the police released information about drugs causing his death but when those on the defense side, looked into it, the cause was actually asphyxiation.
I suppose it just depends on what side you read. The truth will come out, during the court case. My feelings are, from the evidence I've seen is that at least one cop will be doing some time.
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I don’t think they will do time mate.
Interesting article on police reform here:
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/06/04/how-to-fix-american-policing
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
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Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Isnt there a minimum level of force that should be used in each incident or words to that effect ?
In the George floyd incident surely handcuffs along with cable ties applied to the legs would have neutralized all chances of harm to the officers while still safely restraining the suspect.
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This. This is what I don’t get with their procedures, it’s a complete mess.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
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Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
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Sorry, unconscious, as per the study on Minneapolis police reported in USA Today above.
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
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Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
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Sorry, unconscious, as per the study on Minneapolis police reported in USA Today above.
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Right, was very worried that it was dead. Not that either is acceptable but you get my drift.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
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Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
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Sorry, unconscious, as per the study on Minneapolis police reported in USA Today above.
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Right, was very worried that it was dead. Not that either is acceptable but you get my drift.
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Yeah, I get you
I have not been able to find the full video, just a section of it where he is being arrested but pleading not to be. I read he was in a state of distress and later struggled with the arrest
ultimately, I feel people have come to their own conclusion very fast in the face of the very first video, myself included. Some saw it has murder, some as officers only doing their jobs. Unless there is some sort of evidence that blows away any other then I think people's initial conclusion will not shift.
but the courts may and as OP said if this happens this will only strengthen the feeling of injustice
under no circumstances should a police have to need to kneel on the neck of a restrained suspect, whether he is guilty or innocent.
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posted on 4/8/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
Why has this video and information come out now? After so long.
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You can find it easily enough, it's all over reddit.
Basically he refuses to get out of the car after being asked around 25 times, repeating "please don't shoot me". The officer seems to show a little empathy to this point advising he won't shoot him and to please get out of the car.
It's not totally clear what happens after that, but it doesn't seem like a usual arrest if somebody is cooperating.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
Hmmm interesting. I’ll still wait until the outcome but I do agree that there will be riots and probably just from this leak let alone if he gets off for murder.
The US training & procedures probably does need addressing but at the same time I also feel for the cops over there simply because of the amount of guns on the street.
I think two cops got blasted and killed responding to a domestic a few weeks ago, if you’re their colleagues you’re going to be very fearful with every encounter.
But it’s like that disturbing video we discussed a few weeks back with the white couple in a hotel and the hijab and got blasted to death by the cops all on body cam and the weird part of the procedure was they asked him to raise to his knees and then shuffle/crawl to them rather than just tell him to stay still on the floor with his hands behind his head and not to move a muscle, then approach him. Completely mad making the guy crawl to you on his knees....
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Hijab lol husband
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
The most recent bodycam footage does seem to show Floyd in an intoxicated, possibly delirious state.
Although I'm not sure how I'd respond to police pointing a gun at me, I'd probably cooperate.
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Well yes but we’re not as used to guns as they are in the US so they’re more likely to react.
It’s still the wrong thing to do as many black men, celebs etc have said many times it’s: “yes officer, no officer, am I free to go officer?” Hands on the wheel at 10 & 2 and if they do anything illegal to you as a citizen then deal with it after not at the time.
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I agree, but he was clearly off his nut.
posted on 4/8/20
If a rule book told me it was ok to drive head first into a pile of citizens to stop a peaceful protest, it wouldn’t be ok.
posted on 4/8/20
It's amazing how the officer is getting done for murder yet the gypsy sc u m who killed pc Harper are getting away with manslaughter. The law system is truly fkarood.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
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right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
posted on 4/8/20
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posted on 4/8/20
If he was already saying he couldn't breathe, and was foaming St the mouth, then why put him in a position that makes both situations worse, then keep him in that position for several minutes?
This is a problem, the force used, even if you can legally find holes to get the officers acquitted the overall approach needs to be less aggressive.
posted on 4/8/20
Interesting take on it.
I read a different take on it. One which stated his state was due to anxiety and mental health issues he had been experiencing, which he repeatedly told the officers. His ex, who was there at the time explained to them that he gets extreme anxiety around police as he had been shot before.
Also I read that the police released information about drugs causing his death but when those on the defense side, looked into it, the cause was actually asphyxiation.
I suppose it just depends on what side you read. The truth will come out, during the court case. My feelings are, from the evidence I've seen is that at least one cop will be doing some time.
posted on 4/8/20
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
"Chauvin likely knew of the scientific research indicating that prone restraint is not excessively dangerous to the suspect’s cardiovascular health"
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Seconded.
“45 lbs is definitively insufficient to restrict breathing or blood-flow in the neck.“
That is also categorically untrue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
right so a study by a university should be discredited because you say so, noted
you are thinking of direct pressure on a specific point, the purpose of a double knee restraint is to spread that pressure over a large surface area.
its akin to the pain of standing on a pin, where its focussed on a solitary point in a small area.
a single knee is a far more direct PSI pressure but a double spreads that pressure out over a much larger area.
But again, I would trust the academics on this rather than you tbh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’ll take the advice of probably the world’s leading expert on asphyxial forensic pathology and author of the ubiquitous textbook, the Handbook of Forensic Pathology, Vincent Di Maio MD, thanks.
Or John Parkes, who has spent half his career researching restraint and positional asphyxia.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1258/rsmmsl.48.2.137
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254190062_A_review_of_the_literature_on_positional_asphyxia_as_a_possible_cause_of_sudden_death_during_restraint
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I enjoyed this.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
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Absolutely this.
And this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people-unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416
posted on 4/8/20
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posted on 4/8/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
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It was actually in the rules that he could kill him with his knee. Don't blame the officer, it was against the rules not to kill him. The officer would have been facing a lengthy jail sentence if he had not kept his knee on his neck to kill him. It's the rules.
posted on 4/8/20
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
posted on 4/8/20
Isnt there a minimum level of force that should be used in each incident or words to that effect ?
In the George floyd incident surely handcuffs along with cable ties applied to the legs would have neutralized all chances of harm to the officers while still safely restraining the suspect.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
You can talk about drugs, talk about pounds of pressure, talk about existing medical conditions and all the way through you'd be entirely misding the point. Again.
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It was actually in the rules that he could kill him with his knee. Don't blame the officer, it was against the rules not to kill him. The officer would have been facing a lengthy jail sentence if he had not kept his knee on his neck to kill him. It's the rules.
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Haha spot on as usual Barry.
Just in case anyone is unsure Police aren't suppossed to kill guilty people either.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
Interesting take on it.
I read a different take on it. One which stated his state was due to anxiety and mental health issues he had been experiencing, which he repeatedly told the officers. His ex, who was there at the time explained to them that he gets extreme anxiety around police as he had been shot before.
Also I read that the police released information about drugs causing his death but when those on the defense side, looked into it, the cause was actually asphyxiation.
I suppose it just depends on what side you read. The truth will come out, during the court case. My feelings are, from the evidence I've seen is that at least one cop will be doing some time.
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I don’t think they will do time mate.
Interesting article on police reform here:
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/06/04/how-to-fix-american-policing
posted on 4/8/20
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
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Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Isnt there a minimum level of force that should be used in each incident or words to that effect ?
In the George floyd incident surely handcuffs along with cable ties applied to the legs would have neutralized all chances of harm to the officers while still safely restraining the suspect.
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This. This is what I don’t get with their procedures, it’s a complete mess.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, unconscious, as per the study on Minneapolis police reported in USA Today above.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, unconscious, as per the study on Minneapolis police reported in USA Today above.
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Right, was very worried that it was dead. Not that either is acceptable but you get my drift.
posted on 4/8/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
If your technique is rendering 16% of victims (and yes, I will insist on referring to all those subject to this kind of assault victims), then you change your technique. Period.
Here’s what the US DoJ says about the subject. It’s pretty facking clear:
“In-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia.”
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach.”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rendering 16% what Rosso? Unconscious? Dead?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, unconscious, as per the study on Minneapolis police reported in USA Today above.
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Right, was very worried that it was dead. Not that either is acceptable but you get my drift.
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Yeah, I get you
posted on 4/8/20
I have not been able to find the full video, just a section of it where he is being arrested but pleading not to be. I read he was in a state of distress and later struggled with the arrest
ultimately, I feel people have come to their own conclusion very fast in the face of the very first video, myself included. Some saw it has murder, some as officers only doing their jobs. Unless there is some sort of evidence that blows away any other then I think people's initial conclusion will not shift.
but the courts may and as OP said if this happens this will only strengthen the feeling of injustice
posted on 4/8/20
under no circumstances should a police have to need to kneel on the neck of a restrained suspect, whether he is guilty or innocent.
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