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posted on 5/8/20

comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rogan_LUFC (U15303)
posted 28 minutes ago
Brentford can't auction him off if he has a minimum fee release
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If it was a "maximum" fee release then you'd be correct.

Minimum fee means all bids need to be higher than £18m, but highest bidder wins as long as the player wants the move.
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A minimum fee release clause means Brentford have to accept offers of £18 million. Reading this thread, I can't believe how many people don't understand this.
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Yes - if there's only one bidder and they bid £18m you'd be correct.

Now think if we offered £18m and City offered £25m who do you think would get the player? Do you think Brentford would sell to the first bidder?

Also, if Watkins doesn't want to move, then release clause is pointless. You can't FORCE the man to leave the club!

Why can't people get their heads around those points?
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Brentford wouldn't have a choice who to sell to. They would have to accept both bids and then it would be up to the player to choose which club or reject both and stay. So no point in offering a penny more than £18m because it doesn't help. Save the money on the fee and offer the player more wages

posted on 5/8/20

Not saying he won't sign, not saying he will.

I'm not saying what he's worth either. A good player in the league this season - but i'm not convinced he's who i'd want to spearhead our prem campaign. It's a big step up.

I'll assume and trust that the club are in talks with MB about his future, who he wants and where we need them. Too much conjecture - it's silly season again!!

posted on 5/8/20

Some strange comments on here.

If his release is 18m it’s 18m

Not sure where this 1 good season has come from, he’s been class in the Champ for a while now, granted this is his first as a striker

I think he would be a very good signing and at 18m a good price and at 24/25 he is at the age where he may be really pushing on.

Would be happy with this

posted on 5/8/20

He ticks most of the boxes for me. Young so room for growth, good finisher, works hard, used to playing in a team with high press and movement up front, played as a winger so will work the flanks well. Only worry is the lack of PL experience, but I think we could do far worse for far more money.

Not saying we will sign him, but he's the only striker I've seen us linked to has made me sit up and say yes please. Would rather him than Batshuayi.

comment by RobLUFC (U5692)

posted on 5/8/20

Ok will try look at this from another angle.

Has Bielsa spoken with Orta and identified Watkins as his preferred target?If he has then I am more than happy with his judgement.

From what I have seen of Watkins he would add a new dimension to our attack and you'd like to think he would improve further still under Bielsa.

On the 'BMW bottled it in the last sequence of games' so not right for us. ok then so looking at the core group of players in the Leeds team from the end of last season you could argue they bottled it. They came back the following season got their heads down and smashed the league.Even if clubs had come in for some of them at the end of last season I doubt suitors would be saying I am not going to look at Leeds best 2 or 3 players because they 'bottled it.'

Fortunately Bielsa is a clearer and more long term thinker than that mentality and shrewd enough to know if Watkins would improve us.

comment by Jaz63 (U8369)

posted on 5/8/20

Sorry to pi$$ on your chips but I'd be very surprised to hear that Watkins will sign for us at all, let alone for 18m.

Our goals last season came from numerous sources and not just because Bamford kept missing sitters. A no 9 has to do much more than simply score in the Bielsa system. Does Watkins have what Bamford has in terms of work ethic?

The priority will be the consolidation of our promotion - and statistically, it seems we have what it takes already with the current squad. I'll be amazed if AR spends vast amounts and if he does, it'll be on White or an equivalent CB, not on a CF.

However, I do hope we sign an alternative for Pablo, and I expect Casilla to move on so we will need to address the GK situation too.

posted on 5/8/20

It seems almost inevitable we will be signing some form of striker Jaz. We currently have one. Even if Bielsa is happy with Bamford starting, then a striker being signed is a necessity and the club knows this. Does Watkins have the work rate? Yes.

Radrizanni has also said that we will likely break our transfer record this window, so to suggest that we won't be spending money seems to ignore what has been said by the guy at the top.

comment by Mattyp (U8926)

posted on 5/8/20

A) why would a team bid 25 million for Watkins?

B) why would a team bid 25 million for a player they dont have to pay more than 18 million for, if they have seven million going spare why wouldnt you use it as part of a sweet signing on fee?

posted on 5/8/20

We need a CF, a CB and a GK. Sort those out and we've secured safety for next season. Also, those who know about these things (and I'm not one of 'em) say you need a good back-up for every position, which we clearly haven't got. But please, please, please don't leave it to Victor Orta to choose the players – the guy is a proven disaster on the buying front.

posted on 5/8/20

comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
We need a CF, a CB and a GK. Sort those out and we've secured safety for next season. Also, those who know about these things (and I'm not one of 'em) say you need a good back-up for every position, which we clearly haven't got. But please, please, please don't leave it to Victor Orta to choose the players – the guy is a proven disaster on the buying front.
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Yeah he's only signed Alioski, Klich, Harrison, , Bamford, Nketiah, Meslier, Struijk, Davis, Poveda etc

Definitely signed some duds, but with a more focused policy in the last two years we have seen better results, though such an opinion may be unpopular.

comment by Jaz63 (U8369)

posted on 5/8/20

yep well Ive been wrong a million times before so I'm happy to stand corrected if Watkins is signed.



posted on 6/8/20

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rogan_LUFC (U15303)
posted 28 minutes ago
Brentford can't auction him off if he has a minimum fee release
----------------------------------------------------------------------

If it was a "maximum" fee release then you'd be correct.

Minimum fee means all bids need to be higher than £18m, but highest bidder wins as long as the player wants the move.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

A minimum fee release clause means Brentford have to accept offers of £18 million. Reading this thread, I can't believe how many people don't understand this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes - if there's only one bidder and they bid £18m you'd be correct.

Now think if we offered £18m and City offered £25m who do you think would get the player? Do you think Brentford would sell to the first bidder?

Also, if Watkins doesn't want to move, then release clause is pointless. You can't FORCE the man to leave the club!

Why can't people get their heads around those points?
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If a club offered £18 million and another offered £25 million Brentford would have to accept both offers, as the clause means they have to accept any offers over £18 million.

I think it is you that needs to get your head around these points.
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So you're really saying that if two clubs offer over £18m then Brentford have to sell Watkins to both clubs?

That should be interesting! I always suspected that Brendford had a cloning system.

Come on guys - the point is clearly that any bids under £18m and Brentford don't have to agree to let Watkins go.

Any bids over £18m and the release clause says that Brentford have to allow the player to leave IF he wants to.

Let's be silly and assume that Watkins had no real preference for which Premiership club put bids in for him and there were 5 clubs interested, Brentford would be likely to sell to the highest bidder.

We bid £18m, then another club bids £19m, we go back with £20m........ you get the idea. Watkins has a release clause of £18m, but it isn't necessarily the price he will sell for.

Simples!

posted on 6/8/20

comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rogan_LUFC (U15303)
posted 28 minutes ago
Brentford can't auction him off if he has a minimum fee release
----------------------------------------------------------------------

If it was a "maximum" fee release then you'd be correct.

Minimum fee means all bids need to be higher than £18m, but highest bidder wins as long as the player wants the move.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

A minimum fee release clause means Brentford have to accept offers of £18 million. Reading this thread, I can't believe how many people don't understand this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes - if there's only one bidder and they bid £18m you'd be correct.

Now think if we offered £18m and City offered £25m who do you think would get the player? Do you think Brentford would sell to the first bidder?

Also, if Watkins doesn't want to move, then release clause is pointless. You can't FORCE the man to leave the club!

Why can't people get their heads around those points?
----------------------------------------------------------------------



If a club offered £18 million and another offered £25 million Brentford would have to accept both offers, as the clause means they have to accept any offers over £18 million.

I think it is you that needs to get your head around these points.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So you're really saying that if two clubs offer over £18m then Brentford have to sell Watkins to both clubs?

That should be interesting! I always suspected that Brendford had a cloning system.

Come on guys - the point is clearly that any bids under £18m and Brentford don't have to agree to let Watkins go.

Any bids over £18m and the release clause says that Brentford have to allow the player to leave IF he wants to.

Let's be silly and assume that Watkins had no real preference for which Premiership club put bids in for him and there were 5 clubs interested, Brentford would be likely to sell to the highest bidder.

We bid £18m, then another club bids £19m, we go back with £20m........ you get the idea. Watkins has a release clause of £18m, but it isn't necessarily the price he will sell for.

Simples!


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Not sure how else to explain this to you.

Have you read the many explanations above?

posted on 6/8/20

comment by Mattyp (U8926)

posted on 6/8/20

I'm not sure how to respond to that but I'll try...

If a team bids 18 million brentford have to accept the offer.

If another team bids 20 million, they have to accept the offer.

They cant then reject the 18 million bid cause they got one higher, the 18 million offer triggers the clause which allows him to go ahead and speak to other clubs.

If he agree terms with the 18 million club, they cant not sell him.

posted on 6/8/20

You could have 20 clubs all bidding £18m.

Brentford have to accept all these offers.

The player then chooses which club he wants to join.

Cannot be simpler.

posted on 6/8/20

comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 11 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by LeedsFanFor46Years - Prem4harj (U6871)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rogan_LUFC (U15303)
posted 28 minutes ago
Brentford can't auction him off if he has a minimum fee release
----------------------------------------------------------------------

If it was a "maximum" fee release then you'd be correct.

Minimum fee means all bids need to be higher than £18m, but highest bidder wins as long as the player wants the move.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

A minimum fee release clause means Brentford have to accept offers of £18 million. Reading this thread, I can't believe how many people don't understand this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes - if there's only one bidder and they bid £18m you'd be correct.

Now think if we offered £18m and City offered £25m who do you think would get the player? Do you think Brentford would sell to the first bidder?

Also, if Watkins doesn't want to move, then release clause is pointless. You can't FORCE the man to leave the club!

Why can't people get their heads around those points?
----------------------------------------------------------------------



If a club offered £18 million and another offered £25 million Brentford would have to accept both offers, as the clause means they have to accept any offers over £18 million.

I think it is you that needs to get your head around these points.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So you're really saying that if two clubs offer over £18m then Brentford have to sell Watkins to both clubs?

That should be interesting! I always suspected that Brendford had a cloning system.

Come on guys - the point is clearly that any bids under £18m and Brentford don't have to agree to let Watkins go.

Any bids over £18m and the release clause says that Brentford have to allow the player to leave IF he wants to.

Let's be silly and assume that Watkins had no real preference for which Premiership club put bids in for him and there were 5 clubs interested, Brentford would be likely to sell to the highest bidder.

We bid £18m, then another club bids £19m, we go back with £20m........ you get the idea. Watkins has a release clause of £18m, but it isn't necessarily the price he will sell for.

Simples!


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posted on 6/8/20

LeedsFan must be wumming here surely.

comment by RJC (U17308)

posted on 6/8/20

Casper Sloth is a free agent. Time to welcome him back?

comment by Mattyp (U8926)

posted on 6/8/20

How bad do you have to be to be unable to break into the side st Motherwell...

posted on 6/8/20

not read the comments on the article yet.. but its a no from me... not sure I rate him that highly

posted on 7/8/20

Yeah he's only signed Alioski, Klich, Harrison, , Bamford, Nketiah, Meslier, Struijk, Davis, Poveda etc

Definitely signed some duds, but with a more focused policy in the last two years we have seen better results, though such an opinion may be unpopular.

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Spot on is this. I think we all massively judged Orta after his first year or so. Spent a fortune but that was also the chairman wanting to go foreign quantity looking for bargains. Orta left himself with a lot to prove but he was the man behind Bielsa and as mentioned above, his signings improved a lot.

However some may pull apart a Bamford or whoever else, he was the DOF who played a big part in promotion after 16 years. He had an accountability and he delivered.

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