I used to have very bad episodes of health anxiety now and again. In between them I'd be fine but always prone to it coming back. I'm much better nowadays though, touch wood. I have used antidepressants to give me a boost to get me out of a hole in the past, never stuck to them long term though.
I'm quite pleased that I've stayed relatively happy throughout all this coronavirus nonsense, at the beginning I did worry how this might affect me.
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The amount of GPs that look down their nose at you when you mention that drugs (mainly LSD and MDMA) are the causes of your issues is quite stunning really (and very sad)
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Yup. Heard a lot about housewives microdosing mushrooms to help them cope throughout the day. Both seemingly have pretty good effects in terms of help treating these things.
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I was having a chat about that to a good friend yesterday, who went to an expensive retreat in Amsterdam to dose Psilocybin for PTSD related treatment. He swears by it.
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It needs serious investigation, along with cbd.
The govt I think need to legalize weed for everything, recreation the works, , but tax the shiiit out of it. They’d. Make them heaps plus it’s potential health benefits could be better investigated.
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His eldest son has severe mental health issues(Psychosis, and paranoia) related to abuse of cannabis. Which is part of the reason for his fathers trip. So we need to be careful i suppose.
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That’s is an element of that, to be taken into account, but I don’t think it’s massively common. be interesting to see what the figures are like in the us state’s that have legalized it.
Good move to write this article Diafol. 👏
Luckily I have no such issues, although a lot of depression on my mother’s side. One of her brothers couldn’t cope and ended up committing suicide. That was many years ago now. He was only 25 too. Very sad. The help wasn’t there in those days, but thankfully things are getting better.
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Good move to write this article Diafol. 👏
Luckily I have no such issues, although a lot of depression on my mother’s side. One of her brothers couldn’t cope and ended up committing suicide. That was many years ago now. He was only 25 too. Very sad. The help wasn’t there in those days, but thankfully things are getting better.
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Cheers Babyen. To be fair I have a lot to be thankful for. For example the next door neighbour has just informed me now that his wife's cancer has come back, gone into her brain, and that she has a matter of weeks/months to live. Puts it into perspective I suppose
It's very sad when people can't cope isn't it?
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The amount of GPs that look down their nose at you when you mention that drugs (mainly LSD and MDMA) are the causes of your issues is quite stunning really (and very sad)
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Yup. Heard a lot about housewives microdosing mushrooms to help them cope throughout the day. Both seemingly have pretty good effects in terms of help treating these things.
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I was having a chat about that to a good friend yesterday, who went to an expensive retreat in Amsterdam to dose Psilocybin for PTSD related treatment. He swears by it.
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It needs serious investigation, along with cbd.
The govt I think need to legalize weed for everything, recreation the works, , but tax the shiiit out of it. They’d. Make them heaps plus it’s potential health benefits could be better investigated.
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His eldest son has severe mental health issues(Psychosis, and paranoia) related to abuse of cannabis. Which is part of the reason for his fathers trip. So we need to be careful i suppose.
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That’s is an element of that, to be taken into account, but I don’t think it’s massively common. be interesting to see what the figures are like in the us state’s that have legalized it.
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Tends to be skunk causes the issues .
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I had to cut back the weed years ago. I was smoking way too much of it and I was a paranoid lunatic
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The amount of GPs that look down their nose at you when you mention that drugs (mainly LSD and MDMA) are the causes of your issues is quite stunning really (and very sad)
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Majority of mental health treatment and diagnosis is reductive. There is growing research that both those drugs among others are having greater impact than any prescribed medication at treating at least some mental health conditions.
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Yup. Heard a lot about housewives microdosing mushrooms to help them cope throughout the day. Both seemingly have pretty good effects in terms of help treating these things.
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I was having a chat about that to a good friend yesterday, who went to an expensive retreat in Amsterdam to dose Psilocybin for PTSD related treatment. He swears by it.
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It needs serious investigation, along with cbd.
The govt I think need to legalize weed for everything, recreation the works, , but tax the shiiit out of it. They’d. Make them heaps plus it’s potential health benefits could be better investigated.
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His eldest son has severe mental health issues(Psychosis, and paranoia) related to abuse of cannabis. Which is part of the reason for his fathers trip. So we need to be careful i suppose.
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That’s is an element of that, to be taken into account, but I don’t think it’s massively common. be interesting to see what the figures are like in the us state’s that have legalized it.
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Tends to be skunk causes the issues .
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If that’s the case there scope for tweaking it to make something less likely to harm those susceptible. It’s literally a ginormous cash cow the govt are stupidly ignoring.
I am sorry for anyone going through mental issues it affects everyone of all backgrounds I have it in my family but my opinion is always avoid taking anything unless without it you will cause to oneself or others try avoiding alcohol, any drugs and stay positive and remember there’re a lot of people going through worse in this beautiful world of ours all the best fellows
Signing off for the night to “host” a small gathering. Stay safe people, and enjoy the little things in life. 👍🏻
Hi Diafol.
I have had a little experience, not me, à family member.
One thing I would say is, Don't feel guilty.
I assume you are married, so have vows to keep. But you rightly feel entitled to a normal life.
So when it gets you down, don't beat yourself up, you are being human and a good person.
So it's OK to wish things were different, you're not Saint Diafol, just Diafol.
Everybody has varying physical and mental 'health', just as everybody has varying physical and mental 'states'.
Each of those 4 dimensions has a two-way connection with the other 3, meaning an alteration in one will in some degree effect the other three. And that's the situation that we all find ourselves in from the cradle to the hospice.
That's all pretty basic stuff, of course, but useful to remember in our relationships with each other. Sadly, most don't. My first degree was in psychology and some of my time spent counselling has, largely, been to act as a surrogate/proxy for the incomplete support that their social network has provided. Not ideal.
An open mind, being nice, offering respect, understanding & genuine attention all help maintain other's physical & mental health & state. Whilst demonstrating self-respect (based on practical insight) helps us deal with the self in a similar way.
Good man Diafol.
And good wishes And good mental health to your better half, mate.
Talking helps.
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Everybody has varying physical and mental 'health', just as everybody has varying physical and mental 'states'.
Each of those 4 dimensions has a two-way connection with the other 3, meaning an alteration in one will in some degree effect the other three. And that's the situation that we all find ourselves in from the cradle to the hospice.
That's all pretty basic stuff, of course, but useful to remember in our relationships with each other. Sadly, most don't. My first degree was in psychology and some of my time spent counselling has, largely, been to act as a surrogate/proxy for the incomplete support that their social network has provided. Not ideal.
An open mind, being nice, offering respect, understanding & genuine attention all help maintain other's physical & mental health & state. Whilst demonstrating self-respect (based on practical insight) helps us deal with the self in a similar way.
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This.🍻
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Afternoon OP
I’m 28, and spent a lot of my early to mid 20’s suffering with my mental health. My father dying when I was 21 didn’t help, but wasn’t the underlying cause.
Anyway when I was about 25 I kind of said to myself ‘give it everything you’ve got’ as a sort of last ditch attempt to be contempt. I started running, and then turned to CrossFit and my entire life has changed. Granted things are by no means perfect but I’ve gone from a fat boring sod to a healthy person who trains a hell of a lot (almost obsessively) and has a wonderful group of friends that help a great deal.
I tried all sorts before this and the thing that’s helped the most is regular exercise, having a goal and finding something I greatly enjoy as an outlet. I’d recommend trying a similar thing to everyone as I can’t explain the difference being physically healthy does to your mental health.
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I applaud you for this, VTL.
I know running / fitness can make a huge difference to the mental wellbeing for lots of people. (Personally, I've always fooking hated exercise that's not incidental to a sport. I love running around playing football but I loathe running; quite enjoy cycling but get bored on a cycling machine.)
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It’s not easy, and I take it way too seriously and probably do too muchbut I really do love it and it helps me a huge amount. I’d always say to anyone give it 3 months and see if it helps, might do might not but it’s worth a shot.
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Whatever works for you, man.
I have always been melancholic and suffered dark moods and anger, but getting fit and outdoors helps, alongside professional help, counselling and drugs.
Don't know if this is relevant, let alone interesting but I've read a bit recently about the chemicals at play in peoples moods. How at a basic level each person is essentially a bit stuck in their own range most of the time.
If on a scale 1 was extremely unhappy and 10 extremely happy, some people may only have a range of 1-4 while others 7-10 and others 1-10.
Awful experiences may lead to someone with a naturally high happiness feeling terrible for a time but bouncing back very quickly, it's for the most part hard wired and therefore on the other end of the scale incredibly difficult to improve.
The reverse being the case that consistently brilliant news barely lifts the overall/long term mood of someone with a natural predisposition to sadness in their brain chemistry.
Not something I've practiced but some positives have been linked chemically to meditation (for lack of a better word). It's helped people I know and as mentioned has some scientific backing. The process behind it is far more complicated than simply sitting down and humming apparently...
Personally I think being outdoors, somewhere beautiful in nature and exercising are great ways to stimulate mental wellbeing and wonder if they also trigger some of chemical changes stimulated by living in the moment (meditation) although in a very different style.
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Great that you are raising this subject, Diafol. A couple of other people on this forum (inappropriate to name them unless they want to participate in this thread) have alluded to struggling with mental health over the years. We gents (I assume most of us on 606 are male - obviously don't want to exclude any women from this or any other discussion) tend to be bad at sharing their troubles, which isn't at all healthy. I hope anyone reading this thread feels there's no stigma if they want to talk.
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Seconded.
I did a depression thread here and after being diagnosed 6 years ago with moderate depression, it's great more people are open about mental health issues.
With covid Lockdown, we are going to see more problems...my daughter would not go out until recently.
We need to look out for the good guys among us struggling.
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Don't know if this is relevant, let alone interesting but I've read a bit recently about the chemicals at play in peoples moods. How at a basic level each person is essentially a bit stuck in their own range most of the time.
If on a scale 1 was extremely unhappy and 10 extremely happy, some people may only have a range of 1-4 while others 7-10 and others 1-10.
Awful experiences may lead to someone with a naturally high happiness feeling terrible for a time but bouncing back very quickly, it's for the most part hard wired and therefore on the other end of the scale incredibly difficult to improve.
The reverse being the case that consistently brilliant news barely lifts the overall/long term mood of someone with a natural predisposition to sadness in their brain chemistry.
Not something I've practiced but some positives have been linked chemically to meditation (for lack of a better word). It's helped people I know and as mentioned has some scientific backing. The process behind it is far more complicated than simply sitting down and humming apparently...
Personally I think being outdoors, somewhere beautiful in nature and exercising are great ways to stimulate mental wellbeing and wonder if they also trigger some of chemical changes stimulated by living in the moment (meditation) although in a very different style.
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Wise words.
I think you touch on Mindfulness and getting active outside in nature, basically.
Society today is fast and selfish, so we need to step back and reboot.
OP
Few things that help me that might cheer your better half up.
Music....really listen to the tunes you love.
Nature...a walk in a forest, on a beach or somewhere she likes.
Appreciate the moment, eating a good meal or sunset or being with you and family...a car drive or great film....her fav comedy.
This can sound naff, but little things help.
Once heard about a guy thinking of suicide in a bridge and not jumping, as a stranger smiled at him.
I can be dark, cynical and angry, but things bring me back.
Parents and grandparents family and friends and mates and fellow bikers dying makes you realise we only get one run at this life, and it can be short.
I think you are right Scruttock, I have been , and am always cheerful. It's no credit to me, it's just the way I am.
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I think you are right Scruttock, I have been , and am always cheerful. It's no credit to me, it's just the way I am.
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Even after the recent Chelsea game?
You have power.
Only kidding, chum
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Afternoon OP
I’m 28, and spent a lot of my early to mid 20’s suffering with my mental health. My father dying when I was 21 didn’t help, but wasn’t the underlying cause.
Anyway when I was about 25 I kind of said to myself ‘give it everything you’ve got’ as a sort of last ditch attempt to be contempt. I started running, and then turned to CrossFit and my entire life has changed. Granted things are by no means perfect but I’ve gone from a fat boring sod to a healthy person who trains a hell of a lot (almost obsessively) and has a wonderful group of friends that help a great deal.
I tried all sorts before this and the thing that’s helped the most is regular exercise, having a goal and finding something I greatly enjoy as an outlet. I’d recommend trying a similar thing to everyone as I can’t explain the difference being physically healthy does to your mental health.
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As a fat boring sod myself I find this post slightly insulting.
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Put down the pie and await judgement.
On a serious note, we are eating and drinking ourselves to death in the West, helped by drugs...legal and not so much.
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Don't know if this is relevant, let alone interesting but I've read a bit recently about the chemicals at play in peoples moods. How at a basic level each person is essentially a bit stuck in their own range most of the time.
If on a scale 1 was extremely unhappy and 10 extremely happy, some people may only have a range of 1-4 while others 7-10 and others 1-10.
Awful experiences may lead to someone with a naturally high happiness feeling terrible for a time but bouncing back very quickly, it's for the most part hard wired and therefore on the other end of the scale incredibly difficult to improve.
The reverse being the case that consistently brilliant news barely lifts the overall/long term mood of someone with a natural predisposition to sadness in their brain chemistry.
Not something I've practiced but some positives have been linked chemically to meditation (for lack of a better word). It's helped people I know and as mentioned has some scientific backing. The process behind it is far more complicated than simply sitting down and humming apparently...
Personally I think being outdoors, somewhere beautiful in nature and exercising are great ways to stimulate mental wellbeing and wonder if they also trigger some of chemical changes stimulated by living in the moment (meditation) although in a very different style.
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Wise words.
I think you touch on Mindfulness and getting active outside in nature, basically.
Society today is fast and selfish, so we need to step back and reboot.
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Yes mindfulness is probably the word I forgot there. It's a shame, dunno if this is common but I automatically associate 'mindfulness' with a huge and ever growing group of chancers who've used peoples depression (or at least lack of fulfillment) to sell them the product of mindfulness.
*And that until recently is why I always ignored it as legitimate, wouldn't surprise me if many others do to - including, worst of all health services as that's where it could be best integrated.
Unlike a lot of these trendy new 'miracle cures' that have a lot of the same people who sold facking juice plus jumping on board to become life coaches, from the scientific point of view there is very legitimate data about it.
I really hope it can be used as a proper drug free treatment, something introduced in a proper studied and refined way as a long term cradle to grave public health service for those who need it.
Any you guys considered our lord Jesus Christ?
Thanks for the above comments MU52/Bluebells.
I'm not pretending I have it that bad really but it's just good to be able to say I'm happy to help if I can in any way. It's good to talk as they say!
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Any you guys considered our lord Jesus Christ?
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Yes.
When I was 19
Born again and saved.
Feel better for it.
God is love.
And his cynical side lacks cynicism.
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I used to have very bad episodes of health anxiety now and again. In between them I'd be fine but always prone to it coming back. I'm much better nowadays though, touch wood. I have used antidepressants to give me a boost to get me out of a hole in the past, never stuck to them long term though.
I'm quite pleased that I've stayed relatively happy throughout all this coronavirus nonsense, at the beginning I did worry how this might affect me.
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The amount of GPs that look down their nose at you when you mention that drugs (mainly LSD and MDMA) are the causes of your issues is quite stunning really (and very sad)
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Majority of mental health treatment and diagnosis is reductive. There is growing research that both those drugs among others are having greater impact than any prescribed medication at treating at least some mental health conditions.
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Yup. Heard a lot about housewives microdosing mushrooms to help them cope throughout the day. Both seemingly have pretty good effects in terms of help treating these things.
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I was having a chat about that to a good friend yesterday, who went to an expensive retreat in Amsterdam to dose Psilocybin for PTSD related treatment. He swears by it.
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It needs serious investigation, along with cbd.
The govt I think need to legalize weed for everything, recreation the works, , but tax the shiiit out of it. They’d. Make them heaps plus it’s potential health benefits could be better investigated.
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His eldest son has severe mental health issues(Psychosis, and paranoia) related to abuse of cannabis. Which is part of the reason for his fathers trip. So we need to be careful i suppose.
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That’s is an element of that, to be taken into account, but I don’t think it’s massively common. be interesting to see what the figures are like in the us state’s that have legalized it.
posted on 7/8/20
Good move to write this article Diafol. 👏
Luckily I have no such issues, although a lot of depression on my mother’s side. One of her brothers couldn’t cope and ended up committing suicide. That was many years ago now. He was only 25 too. Very sad. The help wasn’t there in those days, but thankfully things are getting better.
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posted 14 minutes ago
Good move to write this article Diafol. 👏
Luckily I have no such issues, although a lot of depression on my mother’s side. One of her brothers couldn’t cope and ended up committing suicide. That was many years ago now. He was only 25 too. Very sad. The help wasn’t there in those days, but thankfully things are getting better.
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Cheers Babyen. To be fair I have a lot to be thankful for. For example the next door neighbour has just informed me now that his wife's cancer has come back, gone into her brain, and that she has a matter of weeks/months to live. Puts it into perspective I suppose
It's very sad when people can't cope isn't it?
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The amount of GPs that look down their nose at you when you mention that drugs (mainly LSD and MDMA) are the causes of your issues is quite stunning really (and very sad)
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Majority of mental health treatment and diagnosis is reductive. There is growing research that both those drugs among others are having greater impact than any prescribed medication at treating at least some mental health conditions.
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Yup. Heard a lot about housewives microdosing mushrooms to help them cope throughout the day. Both seemingly have pretty good effects in terms of help treating these things.
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I was having a chat about that to a good friend yesterday, who went to an expensive retreat in Amsterdam to dose Psilocybin for PTSD related treatment. He swears by it.
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It needs serious investigation, along with cbd.
The govt I think need to legalize weed for everything, recreation the works, , but tax the shiiit out of it. They’d. Make them heaps plus it’s potential health benefits could be better investigated.
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His eldest son has severe mental health issues(Psychosis, and paranoia) related to abuse of cannabis. Which is part of the reason for his fathers trip. So we need to be careful i suppose.
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That’s is an element of that, to be taken into account, but I don’t think it’s massively common. be interesting to see what the figures are like in the us state’s that have legalized it.
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Tends to be skunk causes the issues .
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I had to cut back the weed years ago. I was smoking way too much of it and I was a paranoid lunatic
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The amount of GPs that look down their nose at you when you mention that drugs (mainly LSD and MDMA) are the causes of your issues is quite stunning really (and very sad)
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Majority of mental health treatment and diagnosis is reductive. There is growing research that both those drugs among others are having greater impact than any prescribed medication at treating at least some mental health conditions.
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Yup. Heard a lot about housewives microdosing mushrooms to help them cope throughout the day. Both seemingly have pretty good effects in terms of help treating these things.
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I was having a chat about that to a good friend yesterday, who went to an expensive retreat in Amsterdam to dose Psilocybin for PTSD related treatment. He swears by it.
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It needs serious investigation, along with cbd.
The govt I think need to legalize weed for everything, recreation the works, , but tax the shiiit out of it. They’d. Make them heaps plus it’s potential health benefits could be better investigated.
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His eldest son has severe mental health issues(Psychosis, and paranoia) related to abuse of cannabis. Which is part of the reason for his fathers trip. So we need to be careful i suppose.
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That’s is an element of that, to be taken into account, but I don’t think it’s massively common. be interesting to see what the figures are like in the us state’s that have legalized it.
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Tends to be skunk causes the issues .
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If that’s the case there scope for tweaking it to make something less likely to harm those susceptible. It’s literally a ginormous cash cow the govt are stupidly ignoring.
posted on 7/8/20
I am sorry for anyone going through mental issues it affects everyone of all backgrounds I have it in my family but my opinion is always avoid taking anything unless without it you will cause to oneself or others try avoiding alcohol, any drugs and stay positive and remember there’re a lot of people going through worse in this beautiful world of ours all the best fellows
posted on 7/8/20
Signing off for the night to “host” a small gathering. Stay safe people, and enjoy the little things in life. 👍🏻
posted on 7/8/20
Hi Diafol.
I have had a little experience, not me, à family member.
One thing I would say is, Don't feel guilty.
I assume you are married, so have vows to keep. But you rightly feel entitled to a normal life.
So when it gets you down, don't beat yourself up, you are being human and a good person.
So it's OK to wish things were different, you're not Saint Diafol, just Diafol.
posted on 7/8/20
Everybody has varying physical and mental 'health', just as everybody has varying physical and mental 'states'.
Each of those 4 dimensions has a two-way connection with the other 3, meaning an alteration in one will in some degree effect the other three. And that's the situation that we all find ourselves in from the cradle to the hospice.
That's all pretty basic stuff, of course, but useful to remember in our relationships with each other. Sadly, most don't. My first degree was in psychology and some of my time spent counselling has, largely, been to act as a surrogate/proxy for the incomplete support that their social network has provided. Not ideal.
An open mind, being nice, offering respect, understanding & genuine attention all help maintain other's physical & mental health & state. Whilst demonstrating self-respect (based on practical insight) helps us deal with the self in a similar way.
posted on 7/8/20
Good man Diafol.
And good wishes And good mental health to your better half, mate.
Talking helps.
posted on 7/8/20
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posted 59 minutes ago
Everybody has varying physical and mental 'health', just as everybody has varying physical and mental 'states'.
Each of those 4 dimensions has a two-way connection with the other 3, meaning an alteration in one will in some degree effect the other three. And that's the situation that we all find ourselves in from the cradle to the hospice.
That's all pretty basic stuff, of course, but useful to remember in our relationships with each other. Sadly, most don't. My first degree was in psychology and some of my time spent counselling has, largely, been to act as a surrogate/proxy for the incomplete support that their social network has provided. Not ideal.
An open mind, being nice, offering respect, understanding & genuine attention all help maintain other's physical & mental health & state. Whilst demonstrating self-respect (based on practical insight) helps us deal with the self in a similar way.
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This.🍻
posted on 7/8/20
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Afternoon OP
I’m 28, and spent a lot of my early to mid 20’s suffering with my mental health. My father dying when I was 21 didn’t help, but wasn’t the underlying cause.
Anyway when I was about 25 I kind of said to myself ‘give it everything you’ve got’ as a sort of last ditch attempt to be contempt. I started running, and then turned to CrossFit and my entire life has changed. Granted things are by no means perfect but I’ve gone from a fat boring sod to a healthy person who trains a hell of a lot (almost obsessively) and has a wonderful group of friends that help a great deal.
I tried all sorts before this and the thing that’s helped the most is regular exercise, having a goal and finding something I greatly enjoy as an outlet. I’d recommend trying a similar thing to everyone as I can’t explain the difference being physically healthy does to your mental health.
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I applaud you for this, VTL.
I know running / fitness can make a huge difference to the mental wellbeing for lots of people. (Personally, I've always fooking hated exercise that's not incidental to a sport. I love running around playing football but I loathe running; quite enjoy cycling but get bored on a cycling machine.)
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It’s not easy, and I take it way too seriously and probably do too muchbut I really do love it and it helps me a huge amount. I’d always say to anyone give it 3 months and see if it helps, might do might not but it’s worth a shot.
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Whatever works for you, man.
I have always been melancholic and suffered dark moods and anger, but getting fit and outdoors helps, alongside professional help, counselling and drugs.
posted on 7/8/20
Don't know if this is relevant, let alone interesting but I've read a bit recently about the chemicals at play in peoples moods. How at a basic level each person is essentially a bit stuck in their own range most of the time.
If on a scale 1 was extremely unhappy and 10 extremely happy, some people may only have a range of 1-4 while others 7-10 and others 1-10.
Awful experiences may lead to someone with a naturally high happiness feeling terrible for a time but bouncing back very quickly, it's for the most part hard wired and therefore on the other end of the scale incredibly difficult to improve.
The reverse being the case that consistently brilliant news barely lifts the overall/long term mood of someone with a natural predisposition to sadness in their brain chemistry.
Not something I've practiced but some positives have been linked chemically to meditation (for lack of a better word). It's helped people I know and as mentioned has some scientific backing. The process behind it is far more complicated than simply sitting down and humming apparently...
Personally I think being outdoors, somewhere beautiful in nature and exercising are great ways to stimulate mental wellbeing and wonder if they also trigger some of chemical changes stimulated by living in the moment (meditation) although in a very different style.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 hours, 17 minutes ago
Great that you are raising this subject, Diafol. A couple of other people on this forum (inappropriate to name them unless they want to participate in this thread) have alluded to struggling with mental health over the years. We gents (I assume most of us on 606 are male - obviously don't want to exclude any women from this or any other discussion) tend to be bad at sharing their troubles, which isn't at all healthy. I hope anyone reading this thread feels there's no stigma if they want to talk.
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Seconded.
I did a depression thread here and after being diagnosed 6 years ago with moderate depression, it's great more people are open about mental health issues.
With covid Lockdown, we are going to see more problems...my daughter would not go out until recently.
We need to look out for the good guys among us struggling.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't know if this is relevant, let alone interesting but I've read a bit recently about the chemicals at play in peoples moods. How at a basic level each person is essentially a bit stuck in their own range most of the time.
If on a scale 1 was extremely unhappy and 10 extremely happy, some people may only have a range of 1-4 while others 7-10 and others 1-10.
Awful experiences may lead to someone with a naturally high happiness feeling terrible for a time but bouncing back very quickly, it's for the most part hard wired and therefore on the other end of the scale incredibly difficult to improve.
The reverse being the case that consistently brilliant news barely lifts the overall/long term mood of someone with a natural predisposition to sadness in their brain chemistry.
Not something I've practiced but some positives have been linked chemically to meditation (for lack of a better word). It's helped people I know and as mentioned has some scientific backing. The process behind it is far more complicated than simply sitting down and humming apparently...
Personally I think being outdoors, somewhere beautiful in nature and exercising are great ways to stimulate mental wellbeing and wonder if they also trigger some of chemical changes stimulated by living in the moment (meditation) although in a very different style.
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Wise words.
I think you touch on Mindfulness and getting active outside in nature, basically.
Society today is fast and selfish, so we need to step back and reboot.
posted on 7/8/20
OP
Few things that help me that might cheer your better half up.
Music....really listen to the tunes you love.
Nature...a walk in a forest, on a beach or somewhere she likes.
Appreciate the moment, eating a good meal or sunset or being with you and family...a car drive or great film....her fav comedy.
This can sound naff, but little things help.
Once heard about a guy thinking of suicide in a bridge and not jumping, as a stranger smiled at him.
I can be dark, cynical and angry, but things bring me back.
Parents and grandparents family and friends and mates and fellow bikers dying makes you realise we only get one run at this life, and it can be short.
posted on 7/8/20
I think you are right Scruttock, I have been , and am always cheerful. It's no credit to me, it's just the way I am.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think you are right Scruttock, I have been , and am always cheerful. It's no credit to me, it's just the way I am.
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Even after the recent Chelsea game?
You have power.
Only kidding, chum
posted on 7/8/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 8 minutes ago
Afternoon OP
I’m 28, and spent a lot of my early to mid 20’s suffering with my mental health. My father dying when I was 21 didn’t help, but wasn’t the underlying cause.
Anyway when I was about 25 I kind of said to myself ‘give it everything you’ve got’ as a sort of last ditch attempt to be contempt. I started running, and then turned to CrossFit and my entire life has changed. Granted things are by no means perfect but I’ve gone from a fat boring sod to a healthy person who trains a hell of a lot (almost obsessively) and has a wonderful group of friends that help a great deal.
I tried all sorts before this and the thing that’s helped the most is regular exercise, having a goal and finding something I greatly enjoy as an outlet. I’d recommend trying a similar thing to everyone as I can’t explain the difference being physically healthy does to your mental health.
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As a fat boring sod myself I find this post slightly insulting.
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Put down the pie and await judgement.
On a serious note, we are eating and drinking ourselves to death in the West, helped by drugs...legal and not so much.
posted on 7/8/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't know if this is relevant, let alone interesting but I've read a bit recently about the chemicals at play in peoples moods. How at a basic level each person is essentially a bit stuck in their own range most of the time.
If on a scale 1 was extremely unhappy and 10 extremely happy, some people may only have a range of 1-4 while others 7-10 and others 1-10.
Awful experiences may lead to someone with a naturally high happiness feeling terrible for a time but bouncing back very quickly, it's for the most part hard wired and therefore on the other end of the scale incredibly difficult to improve.
The reverse being the case that consistently brilliant news barely lifts the overall/long term mood of someone with a natural predisposition to sadness in their brain chemistry.
Not something I've practiced but some positives have been linked chemically to meditation (for lack of a better word). It's helped people I know and as mentioned has some scientific backing. The process behind it is far more complicated than simply sitting down and humming apparently...
Personally I think being outdoors, somewhere beautiful in nature and exercising are great ways to stimulate mental wellbeing and wonder if they also trigger some of chemical changes stimulated by living in the moment (meditation) although in a very different style.
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Wise words.
I think you touch on Mindfulness and getting active outside in nature, basically.
Society today is fast and selfish, so we need to step back and reboot.
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Yes mindfulness is probably the word I forgot there. It's a shame, dunno if this is common but I automatically associate 'mindfulness' with a huge and ever growing group of chancers who've used peoples depression (or at least lack of fulfillment) to sell them the product of mindfulness.
*And that until recently is why I always ignored it as legitimate, wouldn't surprise me if many others do to - including, worst of all health services as that's where it could be best integrated.
Unlike a lot of these trendy new 'miracle cures' that have a lot of the same people who sold facking juice plus jumping on board to become life coaches, from the scientific point of view there is very legitimate data about it.
I really hope it can be used as a proper drug free treatment, something introduced in a proper studied and refined way as a long term cradle to grave public health service for those who need it.
posted on 7/8/20
Any you guys considered our lord Jesus Christ?
posted on 7/8/20
Thanks for the above comments MU52/Bluebells.
I'm not pretending I have it that bad really but it's just good to be able to say I'm happy to help if I can in any way. It's good to talk as they say!
posted on 7/8/20
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 22 minutes ago
Any you guys considered our lord Jesus Christ?
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Yes.
When I was 19
Born again and saved.
Feel better for it.
God is love.
And his cynical side lacks cynicism.
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