comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 35 seconds ago
Well, Greenwood is first choice ar RW and he was more productive than Rashford this season so why arent we looking to improve on the left?
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Excellent point. Because shallow fans refuse to admit that Rashford (the new darling if English media) has been shocking since the restart.
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I have seen plenty of people criticise Rashford's recent form.
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Perhaps, but mildly. Not the way they would criticise Pogba after one single poor game.
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That's because Rashford puts in a lot more effort than Pogba.
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First, that's not true. Since the restart, Rashford's attitude has been awful, playing more for himself than the team. Second, you don't pay a forward player 200.000 £ a week for making an effort.
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I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying. More so than if they are getting £375k, out of form and not putting in the effort.
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
Those saying Rashford is adequate cover at CF are just wrong.
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
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But we can rely on him all season on the wing.
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 8 minutes ago
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
Those saying Rashford is adequate cover at CF are just wrong.
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
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Yet Greenwood's best work has come from being in the box in CF positions, not out wide.
Rashford is no use at CF, agreed there.
A winger is still priority for me. It doesn't mean we won't get both.
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 8 minutes ago
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
Those saying Rashford is adequate cover at CF are just wrong.
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
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As much as I hope he proves me wrong, Dan James isn't an option on the right wing for us at all. He has been pretty poor all season. The only decent games he has had have come down the left wing as far as I can recall. I have absolutely no idea why you would even suggest that he is good enough to play back up to Greenwood.
And no-one is saying we should rely on Greenwood as a CF. He would be third or fourth in line behind the more senior players.
I see RDD is the only poster that thinks we should prioritise a CF rather than someone on the right.
I’ve just driven about 3 hours to get home, and he still doesn’t get it. 🤣
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying.
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and if they are still scoring, assisting and contributing during their out of form period after a lengthly lay off.
I've noticed all the usual suspects have jumped on Rashy's back all of a sudden. They really do seem to be addicted to whining.
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
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This simply isn't true. Martial has looked really good up front since the restart and had shown promising signs earlier in the season too. He's our top scorer with a decent number, even having had an injury lay-off. Ighalo is a specialist CF who offers something a bit different and has chipped in with goals when called upon.
James is much better on the left and, while I'd be happy to give Greenwood a prolonged run on the right if we don't get Sancho, we could still use cover there - he's only young and it's probably not going to be his main position.
One of the things I’ve noticed about Rashford since he came back from injury is he’s looking to turn provider more than being direct and looking to get on the scoresheet.
He might be wary of going full pelt due to his injury, and it’s good to see him trying to add more strings to his bow, but I think the emergence of Greenwood as a goal scoring threat - but lacking creativity - has led to Rashford focusing on this more than he usually would.
Not a bad thing, as he can become a well rounded forward, but having creativity from the other side would allow Rashford to focus more on being a goal scorer in this team and making runs off the ball more than coming towards it - which is where he’s at his best.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 30 minutes ago
Martial has been playing well and improving. If he wasn’t injured and we had Bruno earlier, easily would’ve be on 30 plus. Has 23 as it is and many assists
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Yes, I think that we will get a fairer reflection of Martial as a CF next season. By then he will have had a full season playing as the main man and will also go into the season with a squad that actually has some creativity in midfield. With Pogba being injured and Bruno not arriving until January, we had very little for the forwards to work with in the first half of the season.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying.
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and if they are still scoring, assisting and contributing during their out of form period after a lengthly lay off.
I've noticed all the usual suspects have jumped on Rashy's back all of a sudden. They really do seem to be addicted to whining.
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Actually, they're reacting to double standards : if Pogba plays one poor game out of ten he is crucified on the market place ; if Rashford plays one good games out of ten he is celebrated by dishonest fans like you who have an agenda.
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying.
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and if they are still scoring, assisting and contributing during their out of form period after a lengthly lay off.
I've noticed all the usual suspects have jumped on Rashy's back all of a sudden. They really do seem to be addicted to whining.
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Actually, they're reacting to double standards : if Pogba plays one poor game out of ten he is crucified on the market place ; if Rashford plays one good games out of ten he is celebrated by dishonest fans like you who have an agenda.
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Racism
Ok, let me play Rdd's game for fun. So I take out 2 of the 3 Ms. As Mason has the best injure record I think, I'll take out Marcus and Martial leaving us with:
James-------Greenwood------Lingard
A cf who can score goals, plus two useless wingers who won't supply him with anything. Yep, definitely need a new winger.
A CF who has never played for us at CF 🤣😂
Admittedly he is untested at cf, but can still score goals. If we do it your way, we would have:
James --------New CF---------Greenwood
Who's going to give the new cf service from wide?
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Actually, they're reacting to double standards : if Pogba plays one poor game out of ten he is crucified on the market place ; if Rashford plays one good games out of ten he is celebrated by dishonest fans like you who have an agenda.
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"fans like me" don't dig out either player, as they are both contributing and helped us get top 3.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 37 minutes ago
Admittedly he is untested at cf, but can still score goals. If we do it your way, we would have:
James --------New CF---------Greenwood
Who's going to give the new cf service from wide?
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Service would come from Shaw, Williams, Greenwood, James plus Fernandes and Pogba from midfield.
Rashford - Best from the Left
Martial - Best from the left but learning at CF
Greenwood - Best from the Right
Ighalo - A decent CF
James - Can play either wing
We clearly have more players capable of playing wide than we do at CF.
Right, so the player who has had his best season in a UTD shirt as a CF is "best from the left".
A player who's been consistently poor on the right can "play either wing".
Here's a tip... you can want a striker without having to spout nonsense.
Hi
I did say he has been better coming on from the left, although he is learning to play CF. I don’t see what’s nonsense about that assessment.
As for James, I don’t think we should be too quick to write him off.
Here a tip. You can want Sancho without pretending we have CF’s capable of taking us where we want to be.
In an ideal world, we would get Sancho AND some perfect CF back up. Most of us realise this is unlikely though, so we pick the most needed position.
You happen to have a different view to most of us. So be it.
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 37 minutes ago
Admittedly he is untested at cf, but can still score goals. If we do it your way, we would have:
James --------New CF---------Greenwood
Who's going to give the new cf service from wide?
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Service would come from Shaw, Williams, Greenwood, James plus Fernandes and Pogba from midfield.
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And how many assists do Shaw, Williams, Greenwood, and James have this season?
You want us to rely on wide players that aren't good at creating?
RDD, who would be your ideal signing for the position, someone top class who would likely start ahead fo Martial, or a back up?
Jimenez, Haaland, Aubameyang. Lacazette, Lewandowski, Kane.
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posted on 11/8/20
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 35 seconds ago
Well, Greenwood is first choice ar RW and he was more productive than Rashford this season so why arent we looking to improve on the left?
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Excellent point. Because shallow fans refuse to admit that Rashford (the new darling if English media) has been shocking since the restart.
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I have seen plenty of people criticise Rashford's recent form.
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Perhaps, but mildly. Not the way they would criticise Pogba after one single poor game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's because Rashford puts in a lot more effort than Pogba.
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First, that's not true. Since the restart, Rashford's attitude has been awful, playing more for himself than the team. Second, you don't pay a forward player 200.000 £ a week for making an effort.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying. More so than if they are getting £375k, out of form and not putting in the effort.
posted on 11/8/20
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
Those saying Rashford is adequate cover at CF are just wrong.
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
posted on 11/8/20
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
———
But we can rely on him all season on the wing.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 8 minutes ago
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
Those saying Rashford is adequate cover at CF are just wrong.
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
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Yet Greenwood's best work has come from being in the box in CF positions, not out wide.
Rashford is no use at CF, agreed there.
A winger is still priority for me. It doesn't mean we won't get both.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 8 minutes ago
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
Those saying Rashford is adequate cover at CF are just wrong.
Those that think we could rely on 18 Greenwood at CF are naive.
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As much as I hope he proves me wrong, Dan James isn't an option on the right wing for us at all. He has been pretty poor all season. The only decent games he has had have come down the left wing as far as I can recall. I have absolutely no idea why you would even suggest that he is good enough to play back up to Greenwood.
And no-one is saying we should rely on Greenwood as a CF. He would be third or fourth in line behind the more senior players.
posted on 11/8/20
I see RDD is the only poster that thinks we should prioritise a CF rather than someone on the right.
I’ve just driven about 3 hours to get home, and he still doesn’t get it. 🤣
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying.
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and if they are still scoring, assisting and contributing during their out of form period after a lengthly lay off.
I've noticed all the usual suspects have jumped on Rashy's back all of a sudden. They really do seem to be addicted to whining.
posted on 11/8/20
Greenwood and James are better options on the Right than Martial and ighalo are at CF.
_____________
This simply isn't true. Martial has looked really good up front since the restart and had shown promising signs earlier in the season too. He's our top scorer with a decent number, even having had an injury lay-off. Ighalo is a specialist CF who offers something a bit different and has chipped in with goals when called upon.
James is much better on the left and, while I'd be happy to give Greenwood a prolonged run on the right if we don't get Sancho, we could still use cover there - he's only young and it's probably not going to be his main position.
posted on 11/8/20
One of the things I’ve noticed about Rashford since he came back from injury is he’s looking to turn provider more than being direct and looking to get on the scoresheet.
He might be wary of going full pelt due to his injury, and it’s good to see him trying to add more strings to his bow, but I think the emergence of Greenwood as a goal scoring threat - but lacking creativity - has led to Rashford focusing on this more than he usually would.
Not a bad thing, as he can become a well rounded forward, but having creativity from the other side would allow Rashford to focus more on being a goal scorer in this team and making runs off the ball more than coming towards it - which is where he’s at his best.
posted on 11/8/20
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posted on 11/8/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 30 minutes ago
Martial has been playing well and improving. If he wasn’t injured and we had Bruno earlier, easily would’ve be on 30 plus. Has 23 as it is and many assists
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Yes, I think that we will get a fairer reflection of Martial as a CF next season. By then he will have had a full season playing as the main man and will also go into the season with a squad that actually has some creativity in midfield. With Pogba being injured and Bruno not arriving until January, we had very little for the forwards to work with in the first half of the season.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and if they are still scoring, assisting and contributing during their out of form period after a lengthly lay off.
I've noticed all the usual suspects have jumped on Rashy's back all of a sudden. They really do seem to be addicted to whining.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, they're reacting to double standards : if Pogba plays one poor game out of ten he is crucified on the market place ; if Rashford plays one good games out of ten he is celebrated by dishonest fans like you who have an agenda.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
I disagree. He has still been putting the effort in, but is out of form. And no, you don't pay a player £200k just for effort. But you do forgive them more if they are at least trying.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and if they are still scoring, assisting and contributing during their out of form period after a lengthly lay off.
I've noticed all the usual suspects have jumped on Rashy's back all of a sudden. They really do seem to be addicted to whining.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, they're reacting to double standards : if Pogba plays one poor game out of ten he is crucified on the market place ; if Rashford plays one good games out of ten he is celebrated by dishonest fans like you who have an agenda.
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Racism
posted on 11/8/20
Ok, let me play Rdd's game for fun. So I take out 2 of the 3 Ms. As Mason has the best injure record I think, I'll take out Marcus and Martial leaving us with:
James-------Greenwood------Lingard
A cf who can score goals, plus two useless wingers who won't supply him with anything. Yep, definitely need a new winger.
posted on 11/8/20
A CF who has never played for us at CF 🤣😂
posted on 11/8/20
Admittedly he is untested at cf, but can still score goals. If we do it your way, we would have:
James --------New CF---------Greenwood
Who's going to give the new cf service from wide?
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Reason-Not-the-Need (U4135)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Actually, they're reacting to double standards : if Pogba plays one poor game out of ten he is crucified on the market place ; if Rashford plays one good games out of ten he is celebrated by dishonest fans like you who have an agenda.
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"fans like me" don't dig out either player, as they are both contributing and helped us get top 3.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 37 minutes ago
Admittedly he is untested at cf, but can still score goals. If we do it your way, we would have:
James --------New CF---------Greenwood
Who's going to give the new cf service from wide?
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Service would come from Shaw, Williams, Greenwood, James plus Fernandes and Pogba from midfield.
posted on 11/8/20
Rashford - Best from the Left
Martial - Best from the left but learning at CF
Greenwood - Best from the Right
Ighalo - A decent CF
James - Can play either wing
We clearly have more players capable of playing wide than we do at CF.
posted on 11/8/20
Right, so the player who has had his best season in a UTD shirt as a CF is "best from the left".
A player who's been consistently poor on the right can "play either wing".
Here's a tip... you can want a striker without having to spout nonsense.
posted on 11/8/20
Hi
I did say he has been better coming on from the left, although he is learning to play CF. I don’t see what’s nonsense about that assessment.
As for James, I don’t think we should be too quick to write him off.
Here a tip. You can want Sancho without pretending we have CF’s capable of taking us where we want to be.
posted on 11/8/20
In an ideal world, we would get Sancho AND some perfect CF back up. Most of us realise this is unlikely though, so we pick the most needed position.
You happen to have a different view to most of us. So be it.
posted on 11/8/20
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 37 minutes ago
Admittedly he is untested at cf, but can still score goals. If we do it your way, we would have:
James --------New CF---------Greenwood
Who's going to give the new cf service from wide?
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Service would come from Shaw, Williams, Greenwood, James plus Fernandes and Pogba from midfield.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And how many assists do Shaw, Williams, Greenwood, and James have this season?
You want us to rely on wide players that aren't good at creating?
posted on 11/8/20
RDD, who would be your ideal signing for the position, someone top class who would likely start ahead fo Martial, or a back up?
posted on 11/8/20
Jimenez, Haaland, Aubameyang. Lacazette, Lewandowski, Kane.
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