comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
We need a commanding presence at the back yes. We also need quality. I don’t think that means we have to bend over backwards to convince ourselves Lewis Dunn is ‘exactly what we need’. Or are we just aiming for any CB in bottom half of the PL who is commanding and captain material?
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VVD from Southampton
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
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Tarkowski must see these Dunk rumors and think what do I have to do to be taken seriously
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 5 minutes ago
Dunk’s a defender who I would be happy to have in the squad, but not happy for us to invest to be there. If we wanted a stop-gap defender (which is what Dunk essentially is in our pursuit of Rice) then I’d rather we’d go down the Eto’o route of signing a high pedigree free-agent. Although ideally I’d prefer to see us just pay the release clause for Upamecano and bring Ampadu back to replace 2 of our CBs.
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Upamenco's release clause serms like a bargain in comparison to what we will have to pay for Chilwell and Rice.
What's Upamecano's release clause? I assumed the 50mil one was removed with his new deal.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 11 minutes ago
What's Upamecano's release clause? I assumed the 50mil one was removed with his new deal.
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€42m but only kicks in next year
Damn! 100% worth it. He'll have his pick next year.
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
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I remember making a case for going for VVD 5 years ago when he was still at Celtic and everyone laughed at me!
Who's laughing now!
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
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I remember making a case for going for VVD 5 years ago when he was still at Celtic and everyone laughed at me!
Who's laughing now!
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Liverpool
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
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I remember making a case for going for VVD 5 years ago when he was still at Celtic and everyone laughed at me!
Who's laughing now!
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Brummie I remember it well. Most were questioning why we should get a player who so far had only been good enough in the SPL. Very similar not good enough comments to those who are turning their nose up to Dunk now.
I was speaking positively about VVD on the article you’re talking about, when he was still at Celtic. The situations aren’t comparable considering the prices quoted, the age and stage of careers they’re at and what they’re being signed for.
And the actual quality. As said, VVD at Southampton was just of better quality than Lewis Dunk. Just think we should be prioritising a CB signing (to be a first team starter) on more than just being a commanding presence.
BK if you were speaking positively about us signing VVD while he was at Celtic then you were definitely in a minority.
As for comparing VVD to Dunk in terms of quality then of course VVD comes out on top. Nobody is disputing that, he's the best CB in the world by a mile.
Chelsea signing Dunk would be more comparable to Liverpool signing Stewart Downing than Liverpool (or Southampton) signing Van Dijk.
Fingers crossed if Dunk is signed it's on the same day as Havertz, that way the 'snobs' like me are too busy in afterglow to notice
comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Chelsea signing Dunk would be more comparable to Liverpool signing Stewart Downing than Liverpool (or Southampton) signing Van Dijk.
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This sounds near identical to some of the negative comments on Brummie's Van Dijk article from five years ago when we were linked with Van Dijk at Celtic. Here's a sample of them:
- "Had to double check which board this was on, was expecting it to be on the Burnley or Sheffield Wednesday board. Are you having a fecking laugh, VVD for Chelsea to replace Terry. What next, Peter Bonetti to replace Cech"
- "Should we really shop in the discount section for a replacement for Terry?"
- "Leave it out Brummie. Saints would be a good level for him. Just shipped four against Malmo, I'd rather get Diick"
- "FFS Virgil Van Dyk for Christ sake, hes a good replacement for stones at EVERTON not chelsea class"
You can find comments like that about any mid/lower table player we are/were linked with. Not all of them turned out like VVD.
I can't remember what I thought of us signing VVD from Celtic, didn't post on that Brummie article (just checked). I do remember thinking we should entertain the rumor of the VVD/Christensen swap in 2017 & I along with CMF was one of his biggest admirers back then - I recall CMF shooting me down at least once about that lol
Interesting to think what might've happened with that one. I actually think Christensen would've been better off if it did, probably become a City player by now/a PL champion.
You'd be mad to pay 50 million for Chilwell, good player but certainly not at that price. Take Tierney for Arsenal he seems a better player to me and he was half the price.
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posted on 18/8/20
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 4 hours, 58 minutes ago
We need a commanding presence at the back yes. We also need quality. I don’t think that means we have to bend over backwards to convince ourselves Lewis Dunn is ‘exactly what we need’. Or are we just aiming for any CB in bottom half of the PL who is commanding and captain material?
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VVD from Southampton
posted on 18/8/20
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
posted on 18/8/20
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posted on 18/8/20
Tarkowski must see these Dunk rumors and think what do I have to do to be taken seriously
posted on 18/8/20
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 5 minutes ago
Dunk’s a defender who I would be happy to have in the squad, but not happy for us to invest to be there. If we wanted a stop-gap defender (which is what Dunk essentially is in our pursuit of Rice) then I’d rather we’d go down the Eto’o route of signing a high pedigree free-agent. Although ideally I’d prefer to see us just pay the release clause for Upamecano and bring Ampadu back to replace 2 of our CBs.
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Upamenco's release clause serms like a bargain in comparison to what we will have to pay for Chilwell and Rice.
posted on 18/8/20
What's Upamecano's release clause? I assumed the 50mil one was removed with his new deal.
posted on 18/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 11 minutes ago
What's Upamecano's release clause? I assumed the 50mil one was removed with his new deal.
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€42m but only kicks in next year
posted on 18/8/20
Damn! 100% worth it. He'll have his pick next year.
posted on 18/8/20
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
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I remember making a case for going for VVD 5 years ago when he was still at Celtic and everyone laughed at me!
Who's laughing now!
posted on 19/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
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I remember making a case for going for VVD 5 years ago when he was still at Celtic and everyone laughed at me!
Who's laughing now!
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Liverpool
posted on 19/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
I think VVD at Southampton showed a clear difference in quality than Lewis Dunk has. It’s kind of what I mean, not just going for any player that is ‘commanding’, we need quality to go with it.
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I remember making a case for going for VVD 5 years ago when he was still at Celtic and everyone laughed at me!
Who's laughing now!
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Brummie I remember it well. Most were questioning why we should get a player who so far had only been good enough in the SPL. Very similar not good enough comments to those who are turning their nose up to Dunk now.
posted on 19/8/20
I was speaking positively about VVD on the article you’re talking about, when he was still at Celtic. The situations aren’t comparable considering the prices quoted, the age and stage of careers they’re at and what they’re being signed for.
posted on 19/8/20
And the actual quality. As said, VVD at Southampton was just of better quality than Lewis Dunk. Just think we should be prioritising a CB signing (to be a first team starter) on more than just being a commanding presence.
posted on 19/8/20
BK if you were speaking positively about us signing VVD while he was at Celtic then you were definitely in a minority.
As for comparing VVD to Dunk in terms of quality then of course VVD comes out on top. Nobody is disputing that, he's the best CB in the world by a mile.
posted on 19/8/20
Chelsea signing Dunk would be more comparable to Liverpool signing Stewart Downing than Liverpool (or Southampton) signing Van Dijk.
posted on 19/8/20
Fingers crossed if Dunk is signed it's on the same day as Havertz, that way the 'snobs' like me are too busy in afterglow to notice
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Chelsea signing Dunk would be more comparable to Liverpool signing Stewart Downing than Liverpool (or Southampton) signing Van Dijk.
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This sounds near identical to some of the negative comments on Brummie's Van Dijk article from five years ago when we were linked with Van Dijk at Celtic. Here's a sample of them:
- "Had to double check which board this was on, was expecting it to be on the Burnley or Sheffield Wednesday board. Are you having a fecking laugh, VVD for Chelsea to replace Terry. What next, Peter Bonetti to replace Cech"
- "Should we really shop in the discount section for a replacement for Terry?"
- "Leave it out Brummie. Saints would be a good level for him. Just shipped four against Malmo, I'd rather get Diick"
- "FFS Virgil Van Dyk for Christ sake, hes a good replacement for stones at EVERTON not chelsea class"
posted on 19/8/20
You can find comments like that about any mid/lower table player we are/were linked with. Not all of them turned out like VVD.
posted on 19/8/20
I can't remember what I thought of us signing VVD from Celtic, didn't post on that Brummie article (just checked). I do remember thinking we should entertain the rumor of the VVD/Christensen swap in 2017 & I along with CMF was one of his biggest admirers back then - I recall CMF shooting me down at least once about that lol
Interesting to think what might've happened with that one. I actually think Christensen would've been better off if it did, probably become a City player by now/a PL champion.
posted on 22/8/20
You'd be mad to pay 50 million for Chilwell, good player but certainly not at that price. Take Tierney for Arsenal he seems a better player to me and he was half the price.
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