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comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Don’t understand rudiger, was clearly our best cb and probably 3rd best cb in the league in 18/19. Last year was so bad though it was like watching a different player. Very very strange. Still seems to have pace and strength so not sure what has happened to him
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Yeah the injury problem didn’t seem to make him physically worse, like RLC for example. It was his brain that let him down more than anything.
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 33 minutes ago
Defensive partnerships have played a part. Despite both being incredibly impulsive Luiz & Rudiger defended well together. I don’t think any of our centre-backs last season complimented each other aside from Tomori and Zouma.
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Yeah good point. Having an average but settled CB partnership is better than having four great CB's who are constantly changing.
We need at least one ever present in the position to allow partnerships to develop. Frankly who that can be you could draw straws for between Silva, Christensen & Zouma - all have pros & cons.
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I still believe. I'm a damn fool but I still believe
The preference would be Silva I guess because he's the leader in the pack but tactics would have to be permanently adjusted. Like the RLC conundrum it's a problem I'm glad I've not been tasked with solving.
Give Rudiger a chance before writing him off. He was excellent in 2018-19 and then had injury problems. Players like Gary Cahill, Jorginho etc can have poor season after season and the fans still love them, but Rudiger has one season where he is not amazing because of injuries and the fans want to sell him. Did you all want to sell hazard after 2016? I assume so.
Frank: "There are many things that I see day to day - interactions when players are training, how they act around the training ground.
Are they positive influences with the team-mates around them? Those things come into my thinking."
“It’s to build a positive group that wants to win and move forward daily, and that means through tough times, because that’s the easiest time to be negative. It’s what we are trying to build so when you bring in players of course you look very closely at personality.
“Whether it’s a new player or a player who’s been here before, they just have to want the best for Chelsea. Selfish reasons behind it will all come good after that. If we can get a successful group, then we’ll all be happy.”
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Frank insinuating that Rudi is not a positive influence moving forward. Bust-up could very well have been true.
Explains why Silva was bought as the short-term experienced CB, to replace outgoing Rudiger.
Suffers. No. Fools.
Thankfully hierarchy are not using some silly strawman argument to keep him at the club, had very little to do with the signings of Werner & Havertz.
Frank was the crucial factor in them signing.
Great time to offload Rudiger, with two-year left on his contract.
Whilst Frank' number one CB AC will sign a new long-term contract at Chelsea
Done and Dusted.
Hope not, Christensen is shiiit. Championship level.
Hey Hey! That's no way to talk about our best CB.
Wash your mouth out with soap young chap.
Wasted potential, I don't know why Christensen turned out to be such a disappointment. He was really good when he played in Germany
I wonder whether it may be due to playing in a back three. His best moments in his career at club senior level (Mochengladbach and first half of season with Conte) came playing in a back three.
You're talking like Christensen is past his prime, Wahl.
Still relatively young at 24. Long way to go in his career especially as a CB when one naturally matures into late 20s/early 30s.
Frank very much takes that into consideration and is more than happy to extract the best out of him before discarding.
Determined never to make the same mistakes that previous managers made of ostracising and ultimately discarding, only for those top talents to go on to be elite.
This season & next will be the real litmus test and defining season for a lot of players.
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 15 minutes ago
You're talking like Christensen is past his prime, Wahl.
Still relatively young at 24. Long way to go in his career especially as a CB when one naturally matures into late 20s/early 30s.
Frank very much takes that into consideration and is more than happy to extract the best out of him before discarding.
Determined never to make the same mistakes that previous managers made of ostracising and ultimately discarding, only for those top talents to go on to be elite.
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Rudiger is only 27 and has performed at a consistently high standard for us for two seasons until last season where he struggled because of the injury. Tomori is younger than christensen and is more likely to make good on his potential than christensen.
I think if we sell a CB it should be Zouma or Christensen. It's worth persisting in Rudiger and showing him a little loyalty.
Rudiger has had a lot of damaging injuries (relating to his knees) and already hit his potential ceiling couple of years ago.
There's nothing more than can be got out of him in Frank' set-up, to my mind. Good time to offload.
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
You're talking like Christensen is past his prime, Wahl.
Still relatively young at 24. Long way to go in his career especially as a CB when one naturally matures into late 20s/early 30s.
Frank very much takes that into consideration and is more than happy to extract the best out of him before discarding.
Determined never to make the same mistakes that previous managers made of ostracising and ultimately discarding, only for those top talents to go on to be elite.
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Apart from discarding Hudson Odoi without giving him a chance
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posted on 25/9/20
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posted on 25/9/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Don’t understand rudiger, was clearly our best cb and probably 3rd best cb in the league in 18/19. Last year was so bad though it was like watching a different player. Very very strange. Still seems to have pace and strength so not sure what has happened to him
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Yeah the injury problem didn’t seem to make him physically worse, like RLC for example. It was his brain that let him down more than anything.
posted on 25/9/20
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 33 minutes ago
Defensive partnerships have played a part. Despite both being incredibly impulsive Luiz & Rudiger defended well together. I don’t think any of our centre-backs last season complimented each other aside from Tomori and Zouma.
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Yeah good point. Having an average but settled CB partnership is better than having four great CB's who are constantly changing.
We need at least one ever present in the position to allow partnerships to develop. Frankly who that can be you could draw straws for between Silva, Christensen & Zouma - all have pros & cons.
posted on 25/9/20
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posted on 25/9/20
I still believe. I'm a damn fool but I still believe
The preference would be Silva I guess because he's the leader in the pack but tactics would have to be permanently adjusted. Like the RLC conundrum it's a problem I'm glad I've not been tasked with solving.
posted on 25/9/20
Give Rudiger a chance before writing him off. He was excellent in 2018-19 and then had injury problems. Players like Gary Cahill, Jorginho etc can have poor season after season and the fans still love them, but Rudiger has one season where he is not amazing because of injuries and the fans want to sell him. Did you all want to sell hazard after 2016? I assume so.
posted on 26/9/20
Frank: "There are many things that I see day to day - interactions when players are training, how they act around the training ground.
Are they positive influences with the team-mates around them? Those things come into my thinking."
“It’s to build a positive group that wants to win and move forward daily, and that means through tough times, because that’s the easiest time to be negative. It’s what we are trying to build so when you bring in players of course you look very closely at personality.
“Whether it’s a new player or a player who’s been here before, they just have to want the best for Chelsea. Selfish reasons behind it will all come good after that. If we can get a successful group, then we’ll all be happy.”
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Frank insinuating that Rudi is not a positive influence moving forward. Bust-up could very well have been true.
Explains why Silva was bought as the short-term experienced CB, to replace outgoing Rudiger.
Suffers. No. Fools.
Thankfully hierarchy are not using some silly strawman argument to keep him at the club, had very little to do with the signings of Werner & Havertz.
Frank was the crucial factor in them signing.
Great time to offload Rudiger, with two-year left on his contract.
Whilst Frank' number one CB AC will sign a new long-term contract at Chelsea
Done and Dusted.
posted on 26/9/20
Hope not, Christensen is shiiit. Championship level.
posted on 26/9/20
Hey Hey! That's no way to talk about our best CB.
Wash your mouth out with soap young chap.
posted on 26/9/20
Wasted potential, I don't know why Christensen turned out to be such a disappointment. He was really good when he played in Germany
posted on 26/9/20
I wonder whether it may be due to playing in a back three. His best moments in his career at club senior level (Mochengladbach and first half of season with Conte) came playing in a back three.
posted on 26/9/20
You're talking like Christensen is past his prime, Wahl.
Still relatively young at 24. Long way to go in his career especially as a CB when one naturally matures into late 20s/early 30s.
Frank very much takes that into consideration and is more than happy to extract the best out of him before discarding.
Determined never to make the same mistakes that previous managers made of ostracising and ultimately discarding, only for those top talents to go on to be elite.
posted on 26/9/20
This season & next will be the real litmus test and defining season for a lot of players.
posted on 26/9/20
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 15 minutes ago
You're talking like Christensen is past his prime, Wahl.
Still relatively young at 24. Long way to go in his career especially as a CB when one naturally matures into late 20s/early 30s.
Frank very much takes that into consideration and is more than happy to extract the best out of him before discarding.
Determined never to make the same mistakes that previous managers made of ostracising and ultimately discarding, only for those top talents to go on to be elite.
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Rudiger is only 27 and has performed at a consistently high standard for us for two seasons until last season where he struggled because of the injury. Tomori is younger than christensen and is more likely to make good on his potential than christensen.
I think if we sell a CB it should be Zouma or Christensen. It's worth persisting in Rudiger and showing him a little loyalty.
posted on 26/9/20
Rudiger has had a lot of damaging injuries (relating to his knees) and already hit his potential ceiling couple of years ago.
There's nothing more than can be got out of him in Frank' set-up, to my mind. Good time to offload.
posted on 26/9/20
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
You're talking like Christensen is past his prime, Wahl.
Still relatively young at 24. Long way to go in his career especially as a CB when one naturally matures into late 20s/early 30s.
Frank very much takes that into consideration and is more than happy to extract the best out of him before discarding.
Determined never to make the same mistakes that previous managers made of ostracising and ultimately discarding, only for those top talents to go on to be elite.
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Apart from discarding Hudson Odoi without giving him a chance
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