Change the title:
"How Would You Change the Hand Ball Rule"
Sorry!
Did you just confuse offside and handball throughout the entire article?
comment by I want to stuff this 8===D as far as it will go an squeal like a pig (U20589)
posted 3 minutes ago
Did you just confuse offside and handball throughout the entire article?
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Yes, but I corrected it - I hope!
FYI...here's some of the "official thinking" on the new handball rules....
"The handball rule now has extra clarity because it does not consider intent by a player.
Another big change is to do with the position of a player's hand/arm.
If the ball hits a player who has made their body "unnaturally bigger" then a foul will be awarded.
IFAB says that having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a "natural" position and a player is "taking a risk" by having the hand/arm in that position, including when sliding.
It is, however, considered natural for a player to put their arm between their body and the ground for support when falling, so long as the arm is not extended to make the body bigger.
Scrap it all together.
Var should only have been used for goals that crossed the line anything else has just ruined the buzz of it.
And without fans it's just ramped up how bad it really is..a farce.
And when I say scrap it all together, I mean the offside rule, they've tried the alternative, why not make it a free for all.
Offside rules fine, if you’re a mm offside its offside. Issue is proving that, technology of those var lines never seemed accurate to me. But it helps get a lot more right than linos eyes in real time and it doesnt take that long to sort out usually.
Handball rule go back to how it was and the clear and obvious. Distance and intentional etc need to come back and a bit of common sense used, theres 3 refs now inc the two in var maybe vote on these needing a majority 2/3 if they are indeed that interpretative?
People want consistency, they also want common sense. These things don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
For me what I would like is the handball rule to be something like this.
If the arm is in an unnatural position at shoulder height or higher and the ball strikes the arm a penalty can be awarded. If a player is not facing the ball then handball is not to be given. In the instance of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity on the goal-line, each instance will be taken by a case by case basis.
The refs need common sense, is it ball to hand or hand to ball?
Ho back to the old rule. Far less controversy.
Change it to a way that means spurs wins
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
People want consistency, they also want common sense. These things don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
For me what I would like is the handball rule to be something like this.
If the arm is in an unnatural position at shoulder height or higher and the ball strikes the arm a penalty can be awarded. If a player is not facing the ball then handball is not to be given. In the instance of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity on the goal-line, each instance will be taken by a case by case basis.
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So I can clear off my line with my hand as long as I turn my back on the shot. Decent
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 8 minutes ago
Change it to a way that means spurs wins
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That will do for a start.
It makes me wonder if refs have ever played the game?
Having played for years myself I know when somebody is trying to block a shot/cross by having their arms in an unnatural position or whether its unavoidable.
To concede a pen the player should be trying to gain an unfair advantage, if its bad luck that the ball hits hand/arm then its just one of those things and not a pen.
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
Having watched it back on MOTD, Eric Dier should be blamed 100%. Surprised no else hasn't said anything about him. The warning sign was there 2 minutes before when the ball hit his hand and it was not given. Had he been goal side of Carroll he could have avoided the ball hitting his hand. Instead he chose to stand in front of Carroll with his back towards him hoping he would get away with it again.
He knew what he was doing when he flapped his hand in the air but hopefully we sign a new CB soon and he is dropped. Although Dier plays ok in some games he is huge liability as shown when he played against Ings last week and the pen he gave away to Man Utd last season.
Had it been Sanchez who made the same mistake we woud see endless articles on here calling for his head.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
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The referees are making decisions Winston, just the wrong ones. They do not know their own rule. Yesterday Dier had his back to the ball, so could not see the ball. And the rule clearly says if a player cannot see the ball, then no handball should be awarded. Very simple refs need to brush up on the rules.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
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The referees are making decisions Winston, just the wrong ones. They do not know their own rule. Yesterday Dier had his back to the ball, so could not see the ball. And the rule clearly says if a player cannot see the ball, then no handball should be awarded. Very simple refs need to brush up on the rules.
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But by sticking his hands in the air he knew what he was doing and made himself bigger.
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
People want consistency, they also want common sense. These things don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
For me what I would like is the handball rule to be something like this.
If the arm is in an unnatural position at shoulder height or higher and the ball strikes the arm a penalty can be awarded. If a player is not facing the ball then handball is not to be given. In the instance of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity on the goal-line, each instance will be taken by a case by case basis.
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So I can clear off my line with my hand as long as I turn my back on the shot. Decent
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You didn’t read the post did you? Very embarrassing
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
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The referees are making decisions Winston, just the wrong ones. They do not know their own rule. Yesterday Dier had his back to the ball, so could not see the ball. And the rule clearly says if a player cannot see the ball, then no handball should be awarded. Very simple refs need to brush up on the rules.
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This isn’t just about one incident though, is it?
“ But by sticking his hands in the air he knew what he was doing and made himself bigger.”
If you really see nothing wrong with punishing situations like that then I can’t help you.
Each to their own and all, but I’m quite confident the vast majority of people who understand and have played the game wouldn’t watch that and conclude there isn’t a problem, or that it’s a good thing for the game.
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 19 minutes ago
Having watched it back on MOTD, Eric Dier should be blamed 100%. Surprised no else hasn't said anything about him. The warning sign was there 2 minutes before when the ball hit his hand and it was not given. Had he been goal side of Carroll he could have avoided the ball hitting his hand. Instead he chose to stand in front of Carroll with his back towards him hoping he would get away with it again.
He knew what he was doing when he flapped his hand in the air but hopefully we sign a new CB soon and he is dropped. Although Dier plays ok in some games he is huge liability as shown when he played against Ings last week and the pen he gave away to Man Utd last season.
Had it been Sanchez who made the same mistake we woud see endless articles on here calling for his head.
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Sorry Luka I've watched it repeated times and it was a pisss poor decision.
If that happens to someone like Liverpool there would be a national outrage and riots and seven days of mourning declared by Parliament.
Winston if you put your hands above your shoulders in the pen area, with your back facing the player and ball hits your hand, you know what you are doing. If the player you are marking wins the ball you know what you are doing.
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston if you put your hands above your shoulders in the pen area, with your back facing the player and ball hits your hand, you know what you are doing. If the player you are marking wins the ball you know what you are doing.
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Okay mate.
Dier ran the risk of having hs back to the player and got caught out. His positioning from the outset was wrong he fecked up. Blaming refs and rules is pointless.
Had it been the other way round we would all be appealing for a Pen. You know it.
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posted on 28/9/20
Change the title:
"How Would You Change the Hand Ball Rule"
Sorry!
posted on 28/9/20
Did you just confuse offside and handball throughout the entire article?
posted on 28/9/20
comment by I want to stuff this 8===D as far as it will go an squeal like a pig (U20589)
posted 3 minutes ago
Did you just confuse offside and handball throughout the entire article?
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Yes, but I corrected it - I hope!
posted on 28/9/20
FYI...here's some of the "official thinking" on the new handball rules....
"The handball rule now has extra clarity because it does not consider intent by a player.
Another big change is to do with the position of a player's hand/arm.
If the ball hits a player who has made their body "unnaturally bigger" then a foul will be awarded.
IFAB says that having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a "natural" position and a player is "taking a risk" by having the hand/arm in that position, including when sliding.
It is, however, considered natural for a player to put their arm between their body and the ground for support when falling, so long as the arm is not extended to make the body bigger.
posted on 28/9/20
Scrap it all together.
Var should only have been used for goals that crossed the line anything else has just ruined the buzz of it.
And without fans it's just ramped up how bad it really is..a farce.
posted on 28/9/20
And when I say scrap it all together, I mean the offside rule, they've tried the alternative, why not make it a free for all.
posted on 28/9/20
Offside rules fine, if you’re a mm offside its offside. Issue is proving that, technology of those var lines never seemed accurate to me. But it helps get a lot more right than linos eyes in real time and it doesnt take that long to sort out usually.
Handball rule go back to how it was and the clear and obvious. Distance and intentional etc need to come back and a bit of common sense used, theres 3 refs now inc the two in var maybe vote on these needing a majority 2/3 if they are indeed that interpretative?
posted on 28/9/20
People want consistency, they also want common sense. These things don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
For me what I would like is the handball rule to be something like this.
If the arm is in an unnatural position at shoulder height or higher and the ball strikes the arm a penalty can be awarded. If a player is not facing the ball then handball is not to be given. In the instance of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity on the goal-line, each instance will be taken by a case by case basis.
posted on 28/9/20
The refs need common sense, is it ball to hand or hand to ball?
posted on 28/9/20
Ho back to the old rule. Far less controversy.
posted on 28/9/20
Change it to a way that means spurs wins
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
People want consistency, they also want common sense. These things don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
For me what I would like is the handball rule to be something like this.
If the arm is in an unnatural position at shoulder height or higher and the ball strikes the arm a penalty can be awarded. If a player is not facing the ball then handball is not to be given. In the instance of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity on the goal-line, each instance will be taken by a case by case basis.
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So I can clear off my line with my hand as long as I turn my back on the shot. Decent
posted on 28/9/20
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 8 minutes ago
Change it to a way that means spurs wins
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That will do for a start.
posted on 28/9/20
It makes me wonder if refs have ever played the game?
Having played for years myself I know when somebody is trying to block a shot/cross by having their arms in an unnatural position or whether its unavoidable.
To concede a pen the player should be trying to gain an unfair advantage, if its bad luck that the ball hits hand/arm then its just one of those things and not a pen.
posted on 28/9/20
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
posted on 28/9/20
Having watched it back on MOTD, Eric Dier should be blamed 100%. Surprised no else hasn't said anything about him. The warning sign was there 2 minutes before when the ball hit his hand and it was not given. Had he been goal side of Carroll he could have avoided the ball hitting his hand. Instead he chose to stand in front of Carroll with his back towards him hoping he would get away with it again.
He knew what he was doing when he flapped his hand in the air but hopefully we sign a new CB soon and he is dropped. Although Dier plays ok in some games he is huge liability as shown when he played against Ings last week and the pen he gave away to Man Utd last season.
Had it been Sanchez who made the same mistake we woud see endless articles on here calling for his head.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
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The referees are making decisions Winston, just the wrong ones. They do not know their own rule. Yesterday Dier had his back to the ball, so could not see the ball. And the rule clearly says if a player cannot see the ball, then no handball should be awarded. Very simple refs need to brush up on the rules.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
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The referees are making decisions Winston, just the wrong ones. They do not know their own rule. Yesterday Dier had his back to the ball, so could not see the ball. And the rule clearly says if a player cannot see the ball, then no handball should be awarded. Very simple refs need to brush up on the rules.
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But by sticking his hands in the air he knew what he was doing and made himself bigger.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
People want consistency, they also want common sense. These things don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
For me what I would like is the handball rule to be something like this.
If the arm is in an unnatural position at shoulder height or higher and the ball strikes the arm a penalty can be awarded. If a player is not facing the ball then handball is not to be given. In the instance of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity on the goal-line, each instance will be taken by a case by case basis.
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So I can clear off my line with my hand as long as I turn my back on the shot. Decent
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You didn’t read the post did you? Very embarrassing
posted on 28/9/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
For me, it’s really quite straightforward.
Deliberate handball and nothing else.
In what way is it helping the game by punishing players for the ball just hitting them? If a ball hits you and you’ve done nothing to instigate it, then it doesn’t matter if it hits your arm, leg or arrsehole - it’s the same effect.
Poster above makes a good point re: consistency.
Part of the problem is too many people are not mature enough to deal with a difference of opinion. This is partly why they’re trying to makes these rules black and white; to remove the subjectivity from it.
Let the referees make a decision.
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The referees are making decisions Winston, just the wrong ones. They do not know their own rule. Yesterday Dier had his back to the ball, so could not see the ball. And the rule clearly says if a player cannot see the ball, then no handball should be awarded. Very simple refs need to brush up on the rules.
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This isn’t just about one incident though, is it?
posted on 28/9/20
“ But by sticking his hands in the air he knew what he was doing and made himself bigger.”
If you really see nothing wrong with punishing situations like that then I can’t help you.
Each to their own and all, but I’m quite confident the vast majority of people who understand and have played the game wouldn’t watch that and conclude there isn’t a problem, or that it’s a good thing for the game.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 19 minutes ago
Having watched it back on MOTD, Eric Dier should be blamed 100%. Surprised no else hasn't said anything about him. The warning sign was there 2 minutes before when the ball hit his hand and it was not given. Had he been goal side of Carroll he could have avoided the ball hitting his hand. Instead he chose to stand in front of Carroll with his back towards him hoping he would get away with it again.
He knew what he was doing when he flapped his hand in the air but hopefully we sign a new CB soon and he is dropped. Although Dier plays ok in some games he is huge liability as shown when he played against Ings last week and the pen he gave away to Man Utd last season.
Had it been Sanchez who made the same mistake we woud see endless articles on here calling for his head.
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Sorry Luka I've watched it repeated times and it was a pisss poor decision.
If that happens to someone like Liverpool there would be a national outrage and riots and seven days of mourning declared by Parliament.
posted on 28/9/20
Winston if you put your hands above your shoulders in the pen area, with your back facing the player and ball hits your hand, you know what you are doing. If the player you are marking wins the ball you know what you are doing.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by LukaBrasi Average Team Fan (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston if you put your hands above your shoulders in the pen area, with your back facing the player and ball hits your hand, you know what you are doing. If the player you are marking wins the ball you know what you are doing.
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Okay mate.
posted on 28/9/20
Dier ran the risk of having hs back to the player and got caught out. His positioning from the outset was wrong he fecked up. Blaming refs and rules is pointless.
Had it been the other way round we would all be appealing for a Pen. You know it.
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