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Maguire and AWB

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posted on 28/9/20

Cheer up

posted on 28/9/20

UWW, RDD and Red Indian taking up the first 3 articles.

The pity dream team

posted on 28/9/20

Both are good players who have improved our defence but I agree for what we paid we probably should have gotten better.

posted on 28/9/20

Get it all off your chest, UWW.

posted on 28/9/20

The board is back to being a mess. Shame.

posted on 28/9/20

What’s the issue? Do you guys think Maguire is good enough and awb? If not then is that not an issue? Can you win the title with these 2?

posted on 28/9/20

The problem is the sea of negativity across the board - mostly from a handful of people. Pretty much every article gets taken over.

It's two games into a new season and it's facking boring.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 12 seconds ago
Both are good players who have improved our defence but I agree for what we paid we probably should have gotten better.
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Such as who?

And bare in mind that players aren't just signed on ability. They also have to consider the following.

Fitness
Injury record
Mentality
Leadership
Confidence
Motivation
Targets interest in such a move
Fee
Wage demands
Availability of alternatives

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 28/9/20

Maguire

verb
past tense: Maguired; past participle: Maguired

1.1 To be tempted into foolishly overpaying. 
  


1.2 
  
To be led into a ruinous deal by a selling party. 
  


"Her friends didn’t like to say so, but they had a feeling that she had been brutally Maguired with the cost of that second hand handbag" 

 

posted on 28/9/20

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
What’s the issue? Do you guys think Maguire is good enough and awb? If not then is that not an issue? Can you win the title with these 2?
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Maguire is good at aerial duels, provides leadership at the back, and passes the ball comparatively well. His weakness is pace and there are therefore legitimate reasons to argue he needs a different partner who can complement him.

AWB is probably the best right-back in the league in terms of one-on-one duels. He's limited going forward, which means i) we hope he develops that side of his game and ii) we could do with a right-winger, both of which we knew. Occasionally his positioning is suspect.

The whole team has started the season poorly, which many of us predicted back in July-August as a consequence of our European exploits causing a truncated pre-season. This has magnified the known defects in the side, but to look at it in perspective the fitness issues should fade away in the coming weeks and the imperfect team we have had the third best defensive record in the league last season, and based on the second half of the season was in touching distance of Liverpool and City. So an argument could be made for, instead of "ohmygodisn'teverythingterrible!", saying "there are still several areas of improvement we'd like to see in order to consolidate and build on the advances we made as a team following the signing of Fernandes, and let's hope we go some way towards that with the gradual return to full fitness and some activity in the final week of the transfer window".

posted on 28/9/20

Maguire doesn’t provide leadership and doesn’t lead by example or provide confidence.

posted on 28/9/20

AWB was excellent last season (defensively), and showed some decent signs at times going forward.

He has an awkward style, but does beat players - including from standing starts. He isn't a great striker of the ball, so his crossing can be a bit erratic but equally we have seen him dink some good crosses in. Given he has the ability to beat people and find that yard to get a cross in, I'd hope to see him improve the final ball over time in a way that we haven't really seen from Shaw.

His passing likewise can be sloppy and imprecise at times, but he's an outstanding talent, athletic, brilliant one v one and has two or three areas where he can improve his game. Why he's being jumped on all of a sudden I can't really say, but it's ridiculous either way.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 22 seconds ago
Maguire doesn’t provide leadership and doesn’t lead by example or provide confidence.
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You're not in a position to make a complete judgement on that - and neither am I. And you seemed to ignore a hell of a lot of RR's post... Why not address all of the points he raised?

posted on 28/9/20

Why not address all of the points he raised?

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He doesn't have the brain capacity.

posted on 28/9/20

Last season we had lower expected goals against than Liverpool.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 28/9/20

AWB - as some pointed out has proven to be a good defender, he does have issues positioning himself for crosses (that isn't something that began this weekend) and I'd like to see him be more positive in going down the line and putting in a cross.

Maguire - Other than his speed, and at times anticipation, I think he's a very well rounded defender. He's better on the ball then he gets credit for, like the midfielders he often has no options when he looks up. He gets beaten to the ball by runners and is often beaten for pace.

With the right partner, Maguire is plenty good enough. He'd get into any PL team for me.

People are comparing our defence to great defences like our 08 team. Look around, nobody has a defence that good these days.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 19 seconds ago
Maguire doesn’t provide leadership and doesn’t lead by example or provide confidence.
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The fact that he claimed the captaincy within his first season suggests that those who work with him disagree.

The fact that with Maguire playing every single match United's defence conceded a very respectable 36 goals (very close to City and Liverpool) and 18 fewer than the previous season - a 33% drop in goals conceded! - suggests some degree of improvement. Moreover, I recall Rosso mentioning that 25% of our goals scored came from the tactic of playing out from the back (which I assume to be a big increase on the previous year), so we're seeing an increased attacking contribution from the defence at the same time as a major improvement in preventing goals.

posted on 28/9/20

We allowed fewer total quality chances against than Liverpool managed so if we had a poorer defence like Liverpool have we would have struggled hence why we beat Man City home and away.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 4 minutes ago
We allowed fewer total quality chances against than Liverpool managed so if we had a poorer defence like Liverpool have we would have struggled hence why we beat Man City home and away.
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We battered Brighton and on another day would have won by 5 or 6. It was mainly bad luck and poor finishing that we didn't smash them.

posted on 28/9/20

To be fair if Rashford learnt to stay onside we would have scored 5 against them.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 8 minutes ago
To be fair if Rashford learnt to stay onside we would have scored 5 against them.
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And how did you arrive at the number 5, exactly?

posted on 28/9/20

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 8 minutes ago
To be fair if Rashford learnt to stay onside we would have scored 5 against them.
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And how did you arrive at the number 5, exactly?
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Because we scored 3 and had 2 ruled out for offside so 5 if Rashford had learnt to stay onside for the 2 offside goals

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 8 minutes ago
To be fair if Rashford learnt to stay onside we would have scored 5 against them.
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And how did you arrive at the number 5, exactly?
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Because we scored 3 and had 2 ruled out for offside so 5 if Rashford had learnt to stay onside for the 2 offside goals
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Sorry wrong account

posted on 28/9/20

comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 8 minutes ago
To be fair if Rashford learnt to stay onside we would have scored 5 against them.
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And how did you arrive at the number 5, exactly?
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Because we scored 3 and had 2 ruled out for offside so 5 if Rashford had learnt to stay onside for the 2 offside goals
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Sorry wrong account
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You have never seen Rashford play.

posted on 28/9/20

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Maguire doesn’t provide leadership and doesn’t lead by example or provide confidence.
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My good god.

Just. No words.

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