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comment by Martial Law (U13506)
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Klop is the best manager in the league. Liverpool has built a machine and they just add parts to it making it better.
We are far off. We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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Someone with sense.
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I think most of us would like a DoF.
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There's clearly no will on behalf of the utd owners to see the required structures like a DOF implemented to get us truly competing again. They've stood by now seemingly unperturbed as we've deteriorated as a force in the game while our fiercest rival newly managed by fellow American sports franchise owners have leaped ahead of us.
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I think that they trust Ed to make the decisions unfortunately. And he isn't a football man so it's always going to be a risky strategy. SAF often talked about how well he and Edwards worked together, because Edwards was a football man.
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I think we are also stuck in the thinking of managers shaping the club’s football philosophy. This has become quite apparent when you listen to what is said about the manager coming in a changing/rebuilding the philosophy and culture.
if you want to read more on how liverpool are doing things, try this. most of you will feel depressed, hafi may feel all warm and sticky:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/magazine/soccer-data-liverpool.html
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 38 seconds ago
Klop is the best manager in the league. Liverpool has built a machine and they just add parts to it making it better.
We are far off. We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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Someone with sense.
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I think most of us would like a DoF.
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There's clearly no will on behalf of the utd owners to see the required structures like a DOF implemented to get us truly competing again. They've stood by now seemingly unperturbed as we've deteriorated as a force in the game while our fiercest rival newly managed by fellow American sports franchise owners have leaped ahead of us.
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I think that they trust Ed to make the decisions unfortunately. And he isn't a football man so it's always going to be a risky strategy. SAF often talked about how well he and Edwards worked together, because Edwards was a football man.
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I think we are also stuck in the thinking of managers shaping the club’s football philosophy. This has become quite apparent when you listen to what is said about the manager coming in a changing/rebuilding the philosophy and culture.
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Exactly. The club has to understand that, and recent history tells us that the board hasn’t got the faintest clue that it’s even an issue, never mind a critical consideration.
I wonder if Fergie’s had an influence on this thinking. He wasn’t a fan of this structure as he thinks managers should get the full backing of the club.
The Glazers just want as valuable an asset as possible
Ed wants the club to be succesful on and off the field and has spent hugely to try and get there.
For every problem a DOF solves, it creates another when it comes to the manager / coach.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 seconds ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
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You’re right, but what comes out of the back end of the rebuild, VC?
Ole slips up and gets himself sacked, then the mooorons that run the club appoint someone like Conte with a completely different style of play who wants to change half of the first team squad again.
And around we go.
Ole has to stay, or we have to get a DoF in place before the next boss is appointed.
Unfortunately, experience tells us that likely neither will happen and three years from now the wholesale squad churn will be underway again.
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Amazing that some people can't see this. We need a football man running/overseeing the footballing side of the club.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
if you want to read more on how liverpool are doing things, try this. most of you will feel depressed, hafi may feel all warm and sticky:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/magazine/soccer-data-liverpool.html
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
One would have thought that the Glazers would have hauled Ed in a long time ago and demanded he implement whatever it is Liverpool were doing.
Imo we ain’t getting a DoF anytime soon. No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed. The guy has too much power at the club and short of the Glazers selling we’ll be stuck in this loop time and time again. They’re happy to make top 4 every season and anything else is a bonus.
The only joy we can expect until any sale happens is to bring in a manager who can make gold from what he has at his disposal. You all know my feelings about Ole and he scraped another season but while no one expects a title challenge this season he should be looking to push on and I doubt he’ll go anywhere while he can still make the bare minimum of top 4. As Roy Keane said tonight , he’s toast without it.
The ghost of Pochettino is there, not only for Ole but for Lampard too. Wonder which of us will get to him first?
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 seconds ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
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You’re right, but what comes out of the back end of the rebuild, VC?
Ole slips up and gets himself sacked, then the mooorons that run the club appoint someone like Conte with a completely different style of play who wants to change half of the first team squad again.
And around we go.
Ole has to stay, or we have to get a DoF in place before the next boss is appointed.
Unfortunately, experience tells us that likely neither will happen and three years from now the wholesale squad churn will be underway again.
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Agree with that. What bugs me is the people who continue to bash OGS that think Poch is the answer. He really isn’t.
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comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 seconds ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
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You’re right, but what comes out of the back end of the rebuild, VC?
Ole slips up and gets himself sacked, then the mooorons that run the club appoint someone like Conte with a completely different style of play who wants to change half of the first team squad again.
And around we go.
Ole has to stay, or we have to get a DoF in place before the next boss is appointed.
Unfortunately, experience tells us that likely neither will happen and three years from now the wholesale squad churn will be underway again.
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Agree with that. What bugs me is the people who continue to bash OGS that think Poch is the answer. He really isn’t.
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In your opinion, many many people would disagree
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed.
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I doubt that’s the case. All directors of football are answerable to someone with more power than them. Some probably have more scope than others when it comes to freedom in the job, but I doubt answering to Ed would put them off that much it they had the opportunity to work for Manchester United.
I think it’s as I mentioned before, we’re stuck with the outdated thinking that a manager is the man that should be dictating the short and mid term vision of the club. We’ll just give them money to achieve this and if it fails they’re gone.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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i wouldn't fire our manager now, but over the medium term i suspect that a new manager is necessary, but not sufficient.
and welcome back.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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i wouldn't fire our manager now, but over the medium term i suspect that a new manager is necessary, but not sufficient.
and welcome back.
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Arsenal have been poor defensively for many years. I think they have been near the most saves from there goalkeeper in the PL. Even under Arteta they allow tons of shots on target against them. They just play really negatively vs Emery completely no defence football so it looks like they are better defensively but they just have more bodies behind the ball now.
Honestly never seen a Guardiola side destroyed like Solskjaer 2 league meetings last season. If we could do simple finishes we should have won by at least 6 in both games.
It’s a weird paradox at the club now. If we had capable people running the upstairs and were making the right decisions we wouldn’t have hired Ole in the first place.
Obviously it’s not just the manager. I can’t believe (spoiler alert, I can) we’ve gotten to the end of another summer like we did after LVGs first season and Jose’s second season where it’s been left until the very end.
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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I think we had the third/fourth best squad and we finished 3rd. Not really sure what more you could expect. I'd like to see further improvements this season, but he needs some more signings, or we will struggle to finish 3rd again, never mind close the gap on City and liverpool.
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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I think we had the third/fourth best squad and we finished 3rd. Not really sure what more you could expect. I'd like to see further improvements this season, but he needs some more signings, or we will struggle to finish 3rd again, never mind close the gap on City and liverpool.
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It’s a big season for him. For me I’d like to see us try to get around 75-80 points and maybe lift a cup. Just some sort of forward moving if as we all agree a proper title challenge is impossible
Have you laid your debts young Lannister?
Everyone amazed by Liverpool but last season Liverpool created a similar amount and conceded a similar amount of chances as Man Utd. The difference is the efficiency at both ends. It was crazy we had to even make 14 points on Leiciester City when even then we should have been miles clear of them when we were 14 points behind. Honestly it was a miracle we finished 3rd after dropping so many points in games we deserved to win.
In your opinion, many many people would disagree
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Not that many. He is still unemployed.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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I think we had the third/fourth best squad and we finished 3rd. Not really sure what more you could expect. I'd like to see further improvements this season, but he needs some more signings, or we will struggle to finish 3rd again, never mind close the gap on City and liverpool.
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It’s a big season for him. For me I’d like to see us try to get around 75-80 points and maybe lift a cup. Just some sort of forward moving if as we all agree a proper title challenge is impossible
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Barring 3 good signings in the next few days, its almost impossible.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 seconds ago
In your opinion, many many people would disagree
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Not that many. He is still unemployed.
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Doesn’t really mean anything, he’s still being paid by Spurs and he’s waiting for the right job. Allegri is still unemployed. Pep spent more time out of work between Barca and Bayern. Sometimes managers just take a bit of time out.
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posted on 28/9/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 38 seconds ago
Klop is the best manager in the league. Liverpool has built a machine and they just add parts to it making it better.
We are far off. We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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Someone with sense.
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I think most of us would like a DoF.
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There's clearly no will on behalf of the utd owners to see the required structures like a DOF implemented to get us truly competing again. They've stood by now seemingly unperturbed as we've deteriorated as a force in the game while our fiercest rival newly managed by fellow American sports franchise owners have leaped ahead of us.
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I think that they trust Ed to make the decisions unfortunately. And he isn't a football man so it's always going to be a risky strategy. SAF often talked about how well he and Edwards worked together, because Edwards was a football man.
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I think we are also stuck in the thinking of managers shaping the club’s football philosophy. This has become quite apparent when you listen to what is said about the manager coming in a changing/rebuilding the philosophy and culture.
posted on 28/9/20
if you want to read more on how liverpool are doing things, try this. most of you will feel depressed, hafi may feel all warm and sticky:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/magazine/soccer-data-liverpool.html
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 38 seconds ago
Klop is the best manager in the league. Liverpool has built a machine and they just add parts to it making it better.
We are far off. We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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Someone with sense.
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I think most of us would like a DoF.
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There's clearly no will on behalf of the utd owners to see the required structures like a DOF implemented to get us truly competing again. They've stood by now seemingly unperturbed as we've deteriorated as a force in the game while our fiercest rival newly managed by fellow American sports franchise owners have leaped ahead of us.
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I think that they trust Ed to make the decisions unfortunately. And he isn't a football man so it's always going to be a risky strategy. SAF often talked about how well he and Edwards worked together, because Edwards was a football man.
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I think we are also stuck in the thinking of managers shaping the club’s football philosophy. This has become quite apparent when you listen to what is said about the manager coming in a changing/rebuilding the philosophy and culture.
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Exactly. The club has to understand that, and recent history tells us that the board hasn’t got the faintest clue that it’s even an issue, never mind a critical consideration.
posted on 28/9/20
I wonder if Fergie’s had an influence on this thinking. He wasn’t a fan of this structure as he thinks managers should get the full backing of the club.
posted on 28/9/20
The Glazers just want as valuable an asset as possible
Ed wants the club to be succesful on and off the field and has spent hugely to try and get there.
For every problem a DOF solves, it creates another when it comes to the manager / coach.
posted on 28/9/20
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 seconds ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
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You’re right, but what comes out of the back end of the rebuild, VC?
Ole slips up and gets himself sacked, then the mooorons that run the club appoint someone like Conte with a completely different style of play who wants to change half of the first team squad again.
And around we go.
Ole has to stay, or we have to get a DoF in place before the next boss is appointed.
Unfortunately, experience tells us that likely neither will happen and three years from now the wholesale squad churn will be underway again.
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Amazing that some people can't see this. We need a football man running/overseeing the footballing side of the club.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
if you want to read more on how liverpool are doing things, try this. most of you will feel depressed, hafi may feel all warm and sticky:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/magazine/soccer-data-liverpool.html
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
One would have thought that the Glazers would have hauled Ed in a long time ago and demanded he implement whatever it is Liverpool were doing.
posted on 28/9/20
In Ole we thrust
posted on 28/9/20
Imo we ain’t getting a DoF anytime soon. No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed. The guy has too much power at the club and short of the Glazers selling we’ll be stuck in this loop time and time again. They’re happy to make top 4 every season and anything else is a bonus.
The only joy we can expect until any sale happens is to bring in a manager who can make gold from what he has at his disposal. You all know my feelings about Ole and he scraped another season but while no one expects a title challenge this season he should be looking to push on and I doubt he’ll go anywhere while he can still make the bare minimum of top 4. As Roy Keane said tonight , he’s toast without it.
The ghost of Pochettino is there, not only for Ole but for Lampard too. Wonder which of us will get to him first?
posted on 28/9/20
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 seconds ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
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You’re right, but what comes out of the back end of the rebuild, VC?
Ole slips up and gets himself sacked, then the mooorons that run the club appoint someone like Conte with a completely different style of play who wants to change half of the first team squad again.
And around we go.
Ole has to stay, or we have to get a DoF in place before the next boss is appointed.
Unfortunately, experience tells us that likely neither will happen and three years from now the wholesale squad churn will be underway again.
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Agree with that. What bugs me is the people who continue to bash OGS that think Poch is the answer. He really isn’t.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 seconds ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
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You’re right, but what comes out of the back end of the rebuild, VC?
Ole slips up and gets himself sacked, then the mooorons that run the club appoint someone like Conte with a completely different style of play who wants to change half of the first team squad again.
And around we go.
Ole has to stay, or we have to get a DoF in place before the next boss is appointed.
Unfortunately, experience tells us that likely neither will happen and three years from now the wholesale squad churn will be underway again.
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Agree with that. What bugs me is the people who continue to bash OGS that think Poch is the answer. He really isn’t.
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In your opinion, many many people would disagree
posted on 28/9/20
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
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comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
posted on 28/9/20
No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed.
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I doubt that’s the case. All directors of football are answerable to someone with more power than them. Some probably have more scope than others when it comes to freedom in the job, but I doubt answering to Ed would put them off that much it they had the opportunity to work for Manchester United.
I think it’s as I mentioned before, we’re stuck with the outdated thinking that a manager is the man that should be dictating the short and mid term vision of the club. We’ll just give them money to achieve this and if it fails they’re gone.
posted on 28/9/20
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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i wouldn't fire our manager now, but over the medium term i suspect that a new manager is necessary, but not sufficient.
and welcome back.
posted on 28/9/20
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comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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i wouldn't fire our manager now, but over the medium term i suspect that a new manager is necessary, but not sufficient.
and welcome back.
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posted on 28/9/20
Arsenal have been poor defensively for many years. I think they have been near the most saves from there goalkeeper in the PL. Even under Arteta they allow tons of shots on target against them. They just play really negatively vs Emery completely no defence football so it looks like they are better defensively but they just have more bodies behind the ball now.
Honestly never seen a Guardiola side destroyed like Solskjaer 2 league meetings last season. If we could do simple finishes we should have won by at least 6 in both games.
posted on 28/9/20
It’s a weird paradox at the club now. If we had capable people running the upstairs and were making the right decisions we wouldn’t have hired Ole in the first place.
Obviously it’s not just the manager. I can’t believe (spoiler alert, I can) we’ve gotten to the end of another summer like we did after LVGs first season and Jose’s second season where it’s been left until the very end.
posted on 28/9/20
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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I think we had the third/fourth best squad and we finished 3rd. Not really sure what more you could expect. I'd like to see further improvements this season, but he needs some more signings, or we will struggle to finish 3rd again, never mind close the gap on City and liverpool.
posted on 29/9/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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I think we had the third/fourth best squad and we finished 3rd. Not really sure what more you could expect. I'd like to see further improvements this season, but he needs some more signings, or we will struggle to finish 3rd again, never mind close the gap on City and liverpool.
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It’s a big season for him. For me I’d like to see us try to get around 75-80 points and maybe lift a cup. Just some sort of forward moving if as we all agree a proper title challenge is impossible
posted on 29/9/20
Have you laid your debts young Lannister?
posted on 29/9/20
Everyone amazed by Liverpool but last season Liverpool created a similar amount and conceded a similar amount of chances as Man Utd. The difference is the efficiency at both ends. It was crazy we had to even make 14 points on Leiciester City when even then we should have been miles clear of them when we were 14 points behind. Honestly it was a miracle we finished 3rd after dropping so many points in games we deserved to win.
posted on 29/9/20
In your opinion, many many people would disagree
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Not that many. He is still unemployed.
posted on 29/9/20
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
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Haven't the will to read it just yet Don but I can imagine what it involves given the bits I've learned about how they've run their baseball franchise.
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it does take a bit of will, agreed.
there still seems to be a strong belief amongst some that the only difference between us and better teams is the quality of the manager, but it doesn't take much reading to learn that our overall infrastructure is miles behind the best in class.
and a club's transfer activity is still seen by many as the work of the manager alone - klopp signed VVD, Ole signed maguire etc - but to take two small liverpool examples: a) klopp wanted brandt (who he must have known from the bundesliga), club couldn't get him, so the scouts recommended salah as plan B; b) Klopp didn't want robertson, and had to be persuaded to agree to the signing by the transfer team.
Klopp alone has not made liverpool what they are, and it is very possible he could fail at united, despite our greater resources.
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He could fail to have gotten to Liverpool’s current level but let’s not forget just what a brilliant manager he is and he would undoubtedly be squeezing much more out of the United squad than Ole is.
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I think we had the third/fourth best squad and we finished 3rd. Not really sure what more you could expect. I'd like to see further improvements this season, but he needs some more signings, or we will struggle to finish 3rd again, never mind close the gap on City and liverpool.
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It’s a big season for him. For me I’d like to see us try to get around 75-80 points and maybe lift a cup. Just some sort of forward moving if as we all agree a proper title challenge is impossible
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Barring 3 good signings in the next few days, its almost impossible.
posted on 29/9/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 seconds ago
In your opinion, many many people would disagree
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Not that many. He is still unemployed.
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Doesn’t really mean anything, he’s still being paid by Spurs and he’s waiting for the right job. Allegri is still unemployed. Pep spent more time out of work between Barca and Bayern. Sometimes managers just take a bit of time out.
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