Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 34 minutes ago
Every year 60,000,000 people die worldwide.
95% of the recorded Covid 19 deaths would have died this year anyway.
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Posts like this genuinely make me sad. 95% or deaths would have happened anyway has to be the most outrageous stat I've seen on here.
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How do you like this one?
More people died last year than this year.
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Looks like lockdown has been effective then. Something we can all rejoice in
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figure is wrong, as of 27th November UK is at 542k, last year total was 530k
averaging about 10k a week means we will finish at about 600k.
only real difference is the 60k of covid deaths
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 37 seconds ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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EA China....Challenge nothing
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
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No less than I believe the figures we are reporting.
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
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No less than I believe the figures we are reporting.
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I believe them much less.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it surprising that countries All around the world are treating it so seriously, spending fortunes,
When none of it was necessary
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It's the great reset. The lizard people are taking over. And they're using microchipped vaccines to track your movements. Don't you realise this sheeple???
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New World Order shifting through the gears.
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
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No less than I believe the figures we are reporting.
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Oh come on
5,000 and then just stopped....last reported deaths were what? In April?
China....
Don’t be daft pal.
Our deaths are around 70k. Yes it’s with covid listed and we don’t know 100% that it caused most of those deaths but it’s very likely from what I’ve read. It affects the elderly (and vulnerable) almost exclusively and at that age it is difficult for the body to cope with it hence the much higher mortality rate compared to younger people. My grandad died from covid a few weeks ago and he wasn’t likely to pass away this year and I would bet that he wouldn’t have done were it not for contracting covid.
I don’t think lockdown with the furlough cost was the right thing to do either. We should focus on protecting the vulnerable and spend the furlough dosh to pay for that, along with better national distribution of patients as it seems that NHS overload etc is very regional where one area is rammed and others aren’t at all.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
its no worse than the flu have you noticed how nobody dies of flu anymore how strange 99 per cent survival rate for covid and vaccine only 95 per cent safe think I’ll take my chances with covid lol
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Well you managed to snare a couple, but honestly Clockwork, there are enough facking antiscientific cranks around posting more or less what you have that we don’t need additional parodies muddying the water.
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 1 minute ago
Every year 60,000,000 people die worldwide.
95% of the recorded Covid 19 deaths would have died this year anyway.
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it will be fascinating when this over and the stats are fully dissected.
im very curious to see how many were on "deaths door" who died from it who as the above poster says were likely to die anyway this calendar year of their existing conditions.
but what won't become clear for a couple years, but I almost guarantee, is the amount of people who will die of cancer owing to their lack of treatment and diagnosis this year who otherwise wouldn't have.
something tells me that increased figure will dwarf covid.
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“Something tells you” sounds like a gut feel rather than scientific analysis.
And the fact that cancer screenings were cancelled WASN’T A NECESSARY RESULT OF LOCKDOWN. There are countries that locked down early and hard and as a result didn’t need to postpone and cancel cancer screenings and treatments, GP appointments, dental care and elective operations.
Lockdown does not equal comprising healthcare.
Ineffective management of exceptionally transmissible viral outbreaks does.
There has been more deaths in the UK this year than last year and that is with all the restrictions in place. Just think what it would have been like had we had no restrictions.
The fact the elderly and those with underlying conditions have been mostly affected doesn't make them dying right. Not all of them would have died FFS!
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4087
this medical study found that for every 4 weeks of delay to treatment an extra 1% of cancer sufferers die, the study claims of 1000 sufferers an extra 10 would die in a 4 week wait, 20 in a 8 and 31 in 12, so naturally the longer the delay more die.
some patients have had to wait significant longer than that just for screening. let alone treatment because of the reprioritization of cancer in lieu of covid.
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But of course, if people took greater efforts to avoid Covid and didn't buy into the scamdemic mentality (not directed at you) then hospitals wouldn't be so stretched and more of these screenings could take place. Sadly, people seemingly wilfully becoming infected and spreading this very infectious disease is having a knock on effect in situations like the cancer one you've highlighted
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It's a valid point to say more people will be at risk of dying of cancer due to screenings and treatments being delayed, along with a host of other illnesses. The thing is, those same people would've potentially been at great risk of catching Covid while going in for screenings and treatment. So you'd be diagnosed with both at the same time.
Then there's the stretched medical workers, many of whom were struggling with PTSD as a result of treating terminal Covid patients, who would've been called away. So likely many of the 'recovered' would have died if they'd not received immediate care while Bob gets his prostate checked. It's a sheit situation for all concerned.
I think the best possible outcome would've been to take it seriously and shut it down properly early on. Proper testing, tracking and tracing like the WHO was saying in March. Best we can hope for now is the vaccine works better than expected and the governments of the world learn their lessons. Because for sure this will happen again.
Thousands of Doctors and Nurses are still being treated for PTSD following the years 99/00 and 14/15, when we had pretty much exactly the same excess winter deaths as we’ve had during this deadly pandemic.
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
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You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
Obviously that number would be an estimate that could vary wildly depending on assumptions such as whether people made any effort to stop the spread, etc. The only way to get any kind of answer for your sum would be to compare excess deaths that occur during a non-pandemic lockdown. Which we can't do either.
I do understand some of the reasons behind the lockdown cynicism. The world is crazy, it seems so surreal and extraordinary that something must be wrong. Something is wrong, but it's the highly contagious pandemic virus, not the efforts to stop it killing people (though obviously there have been mistakes). It's human nature to question the strange like this and look for order in chaos. I think the scary reality is that this pandemic is actually worse than most of us have been told.
The 'cure worse than the disease' is easy to say if you're not one of those that died or has been affected by the virus. Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? The selfish and entitled nature of many in West in particular, has lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people yet still they fight on. Facking stay at home and wear a mask when you go to the shop, it's not like you're being asked to go to war ffs.
I don't know why we bother. 100% of people die.
In January 2020, 500,000 thousand people were entering the last year of their lives in the UK. All of them died alone, isolated, frightened, depressed, deprived of the comfort of their family or even seeing them again one last time, and cheated out of the final year of their lives.
One in ten had Covid on their death certificate but 450,000 did not.
We should hang our heads in shame. We tried to make time stand still with these Lockdowns, and the truth is its not possible.
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Let's do some more fun maths shall we? The Infection Mortality Rate has been estimated at 1.4% in New York. This number has been derived from looking at actual rather than just confirmed cases, and actual deaths. See more here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
Let's assume then that everyone in the UK got the virus. One big, 66 million people Covid party. For the sake of argument we'll assume that the medical services could cope and the factor of deaths didn't go through the roof as people couldn't get into hospitals.
66million x 1.4% = 924,000
That's deaths. Obviously then you have to factor in all of those that didn't die but have long term health issues. Then the social and economic impact of all those people dying at once. Then all the others who would have died as a result of not being able to (even pretending they could take all the Covid cases) get to hospital while they're having a heart attack etc.
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 23 minutes ago
In January 2020, 500,000 thousand people were entering the last year of their lives in the UK. All of them died alone, isolated, frightened, depressed, deprived of the comfort of their family or even seeing them again one last time, and cheated out of the final year of their lives.
One in ten had Covid on their death certificate but 450,000 did not.
We should hang our heads in shame. We tried to make time stand still with these Lockdowns, and the truth is its not possible.
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They aren't trying to make time stand still. They're trying to prevent the health service from becoming totally overwhelmed, which is a much worse scenario.
No harm to you but you're not going to listen to reason anyway. "95% would have died this year anyway." There's no getting through to that level of stupidity and dangerous lying
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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
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You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
Obviously that number would be an estimate that could vary wildly depending on assumptions such as whether people made any effort to stop the spread, etc. The only way to get any kind of answer for your sum would be to compare excess deaths that occur during a non-pandemic lockdown. Which we can't do either.
I do understand some of the reasons behind the lockdown cynicism. The world is crazy, it seems so surreal and extraordinary that something must be wrong. Something is wrong, but it's the highly contagious pandemic virus, not the efforts to stop it killing people (though obviously there have been mistakes). It's human nature to question the strange like this and look for order in chaos. I think the scary reality is that this pandemic is actually worse than most of us have been told.
The 'cure worse than the disease' is easy to say if you're not one of those that died or has been affected by the virus. Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? The selfish and entitled nature of many in West in particular, has lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people yet still they fight on. Facking stay at home and wear a mask when you go to the shop, it's not like you're being asked to go to war ffs.
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comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Thousands of Doctors and Nurses are still being treated for PTSD following the years 99/00 and 14/15, when we had pretty much exactly the same excess winter deaths as we’ve had during this deadly pandemic.
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It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t know what winter is. Stop spreading lies
You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
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so why when lockdown 1 ended and everyone went wild and infections went through the roof haven't deaths followed?
keep swallowing what the left sells you sweetheart
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
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You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
Obviously that number would be an estimate that could vary wildly depending on assumptions such as whether people made any effort to stop the spread, etc. The only way to get any kind of answer for your sum would be to compare excess deaths that occur during a non-pandemic lockdown. Which we can't do either.
I do understand some of the reasons behind the lockdown cynicism. The world is crazy, it seems so surreal and extraordinary that something must be wrong. Something is wrong, but it's the highly contagious pandemic virus, not the efforts to stop it killing people (though obviously there have been mistakes). It's human nature to question the strange like this and look for order in chaos. I think the scary reality is that this pandemic is actually worse than most of us have been told.
The 'cure worse than the disease' is easy to say if you're not one of those that died or has been affected by the virus. Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? The selfish and entitled nature of many in West in particular, has lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people yet still they fight on. Facking stay at home and wear a mask when you go to the shop, it's not like you're being asked to go to war ffs.
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pathetic socialist argument and applauded by yet another moron.
just stay at home, forget your job.
"Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? "
would you prefer your parents get cancer and it could be treated but they cant get treatment because an 84 year old with emphysema has their bed and has covid? seriously ask yourself that twit.
you make it so binary.
yes, covid was bad, its shown to be twice as lethal for patients who become hospitalised compared to influenza.
but do you even have the first idea how bad these draconian measures have been on the 99% of the population who are at extreme low risk of even mild symptoms?
you just come across as some pretentious IT worker who's only inconvenience is the fact you have to leave the pub by 10pm.
pathetic how you dismiss what scientists, economists, much smarter people than either of us have stated.
I at least accept covid is a terrible illness, you just deny that what this lockdown has caused has any repercussion not comparable to saving a few OAPs.
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
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so why when lockdown 1 ended and everyone went wild and infections went through the roof haven't deaths followed?
keep swallowing what the left sells you sweetheart
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Maybe because they had worked out which treatments work and so didn't result in as many deaths.
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posted on 4/12/20
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
posted on 4/12/20
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 34 minutes ago
Every year 60,000,000 people die worldwide.
95% of the recorded Covid 19 deaths would have died this year anyway.
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Posts like this genuinely make me sad. 95% or deaths would have happened anyway has to be the most outrageous stat I've seen on here.
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How do you like this one?
More people died last year than this year.
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Looks like lockdown has been effective then. Something we can all rejoice in
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figure is wrong, as of 27th November UK is at 542k, last year total was 530k
averaging about 10k a week means we will finish at about 600k.
only real difference is the 60k of covid deaths
posted on 4/12/20
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 37 seconds ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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EA China....Challenge nothing
posted on 4/12/20
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
posted on 4/12/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
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No less than I believe the figures we are reporting.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
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No less than I believe the figures we are reporting.
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I believe them much less.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it surprising that countries All around the world are treating it so seriously, spending fortunes,
When none of it was necessary
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It's the great reset. The lizard people are taking over. And they're using microchipped vaccines to track your movements. Don't you realise this sheeple???
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New World Order shifting through the gears.
posted on 4/12/20
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can someone kindly explain how, in the country that was the origin and epicentre of this killer virus, with a population of 1,400,000,000 - have had fewer than 5 thousand deaths?
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You believe the numbers that China are reporting?
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No less than I believe the figures we are reporting.
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Oh come on
5,000 and then just stopped....last reported deaths were what? In April?
China....
Don’t be daft pal.
Our deaths are around 70k. Yes it’s with covid listed and we don’t know 100% that it caused most of those deaths but it’s very likely from what I’ve read. It affects the elderly (and vulnerable) almost exclusively and at that age it is difficult for the body to cope with it hence the much higher mortality rate compared to younger people. My grandad died from covid a few weeks ago and he wasn’t likely to pass away this year and I would bet that he wouldn’t have done were it not for contracting covid.
I don’t think lockdown with the furlough cost was the right thing to do either. We should focus on protecting the vulnerable and spend the furlough dosh to pay for that, along with better national distribution of patients as it seems that NHS overload etc is very regional where one area is rammed and others aren’t at all.
posted on 5/12/20
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
its no worse than the flu have you noticed how nobody dies of flu anymore how strange 99 per cent survival rate for covid and vaccine only 95 per cent safe think I’ll take my chances with covid lol
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Well you managed to snare a couple, but honestly Clockwork, there are enough facking antiscientific cranks around posting more or less what you have that we don’t need additional parodies muddying the water.
posted on 5/12/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 1 minute ago
Every year 60,000,000 people die worldwide.
95% of the recorded Covid 19 deaths would have died this year anyway.
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it will be fascinating when this over and the stats are fully dissected.
im very curious to see how many were on "deaths door" who died from it who as the above poster says were likely to die anyway this calendar year of their existing conditions.
but what won't become clear for a couple years, but I almost guarantee, is the amount of people who will die of cancer owing to their lack of treatment and diagnosis this year who otherwise wouldn't have.
something tells me that increased figure will dwarf covid.
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“Something tells you” sounds like a gut feel rather than scientific analysis.
And the fact that cancer screenings were cancelled WASN’T A NECESSARY RESULT OF LOCKDOWN. There are countries that locked down early and hard and as a result didn’t need to postpone and cancel cancer screenings and treatments, GP appointments, dental care and elective operations.
Lockdown does not equal comprising healthcare.
Ineffective management of exceptionally transmissible viral outbreaks does.
posted on 5/12/20
There has been more deaths in the UK this year than last year and that is with all the restrictions in place. Just think what it would have been like had we had no restrictions.
The fact the elderly and those with underlying conditions have been mostly affected doesn't make them dying right. Not all of them would have died FFS!
posted on 5/12/20
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
posted on 5/12/20
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4087
this medical study found that for every 4 weeks of delay to treatment an extra 1% of cancer sufferers die, the study claims of 1000 sufferers an extra 10 would die in a 4 week wait, 20 in a 8 and 31 in 12, so naturally the longer the delay more die.
some patients have had to wait significant longer than that just for screening. let alone treatment because of the reprioritization of cancer in lieu of covid.
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But of course, if people took greater efforts to avoid Covid and didn't buy into the scamdemic mentality (not directed at you) then hospitals wouldn't be so stretched and more of these screenings could take place. Sadly, people seemingly wilfully becoming infected and spreading this very infectious disease is having a knock on effect in situations like the cancer one you've highlighted
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It's a valid point to say more people will be at risk of dying of cancer due to screenings and treatments being delayed, along with a host of other illnesses. The thing is, those same people would've potentially been at great risk of catching Covid while going in for screenings and treatment. So you'd be diagnosed with both at the same time.
Then there's the stretched medical workers, many of whom were struggling with PTSD as a result of treating terminal Covid patients, who would've been called away. So likely many of the 'recovered' would have died if they'd not received immediate care while Bob gets his prostate checked. It's a sheit situation for all concerned.
I think the best possible outcome would've been to take it seriously and shut it down properly early on. Proper testing, tracking and tracing like the WHO was saying in March. Best we can hope for now is the vaccine works better than expected and the governments of the world learn their lessons. Because for sure this will happen again.
posted on 5/12/20
Thousands of Doctors and Nurses are still being treated for PTSD following the years 99/00 and 14/15, when we had pretty much exactly the same excess winter deaths as we’ve had during this deadly pandemic.
posted on 5/12/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
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You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
Obviously that number would be an estimate that could vary wildly depending on assumptions such as whether people made any effort to stop the spread, etc. The only way to get any kind of answer for your sum would be to compare excess deaths that occur during a non-pandemic lockdown. Which we can't do either.
I do understand some of the reasons behind the lockdown cynicism. The world is crazy, it seems so surreal and extraordinary that something must be wrong. Something is wrong, but it's the highly contagious pandemic virus, not the efforts to stop it killing people (though obviously there have been mistakes). It's human nature to question the strange like this and look for order in chaos. I think the scary reality is that this pandemic is actually worse than most of us have been told.
The 'cure worse than the disease' is easy to say if you're not one of those that died or has been affected by the virus. Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? The selfish and entitled nature of many in West in particular, has lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people yet still they fight on. Facking stay at home and wear a mask when you go to the shop, it's not like you're being asked to go to war ffs.
posted on 5/12/20
I don't know why we bother. 100% of people die.
posted on 5/12/20
In January 2020, 500,000 thousand people were entering the last year of their lives in the UK. All of them died alone, isolated, frightened, depressed, deprived of the comfort of their family or even seeing them again one last time, and cheated out of the final year of their lives.
One in ten had Covid on their death certificate but 450,000 did not.
We should hang our heads in shame. We tried to make time stand still with these Lockdowns, and the truth is its not possible.
posted on 5/12/20
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posted on 5/12/20
Let's do some more fun maths shall we? The Infection Mortality Rate has been estimated at 1.4% in New York. This number has been derived from looking at actual rather than just confirmed cases, and actual deaths. See more here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
Let's assume then that everyone in the UK got the virus. One big, 66 million people Covid party. For the sake of argument we'll assume that the medical services could cope and the factor of deaths didn't go through the roof as people couldn't get into hospitals.
66million x 1.4% = 924,000
That's deaths. Obviously then you have to factor in all of those that didn't die but have long term health issues. Then the social and economic impact of all those people dying at once. Then all the others who would have died as a result of not being able to (even pretending they could take all the Covid cases) get to hospital while they're having a heart attack etc.
posted on 5/12/20
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 23 minutes ago
In January 2020, 500,000 thousand people were entering the last year of their lives in the UK. All of them died alone, isolated, frightened, depressed, deprived of the comfort of their family or even seeing them again one last time, and cheated out of the final year of their lives.
One in ten had Covid on their death certificate but 450,000 did not.
We should hang our heads in shame. We tried to make time stand still with these Lockdowns, and the truth is its not possible.
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They aren't trying to make time stand still. They're trying to prevent the health service from becoming totally overwhelmed, which is a much worse scenario.
No harm to you but you're not going to listen to reason anyway. "95% would have died this year anyway." There's no getting through to that level of stupidity and dangerous lying
posted on 5/12/20
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
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You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
Obviously that number would be an estimate that could vary wildly depending on assumptions such as whether people made any effort to stop the spread, etc. The only way to get any kind of answer for your sum would be to compare excess deaths that occur during a non-pandemic lockdown. Which we can't do either.
I do understand some of the reasons behind the lockdown cynicism. The world is crazy, it seems so surreal and extraordinary that something must be wrong. Something is wrong, but it's the highly contagious pandemic virus, not the efforts to stop it killing people (though obviously there have been mistakes). It's human nature to question the strange like this and look for order in chaos. I think the scary reality is that this pandemic is actually worse than most of us have been told.
The 'cure worse than the disease' is easy to say if you're not one of those that died or has been affected by the virus. Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? The selfish and entitled nature of many in West in particular, has lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people yet still they fight on. Facking stay at home and wear a mask when you go to the shop, it's not like you're being asked to go to war ffs.
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posted on 5/12/20
comment by TheBlackCountrysOurs (U22512)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Thousands of Doctors and Nurses are still being treated for PTSD following the years 99/00 and 14/15, when we had pretty much exactly the same excess winter deaths as we’ve had during this deadly pandemic.
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It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t know what winter is. Stop spreading lies
posted on 5/12/20
You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
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so why when lockdown 1 ended and everyone went wild and infections went through the roof haven't deaths followed?
keep swallowing what the left sells you sweetheart
posted on 5/12/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Yes because lock downs stop heart disease, cancer, stroke, suicide etc right?
The increase in deaths this year is basically the point we were at this time last year + 60,000 covid deaths.
Scroll up and read some of the studies I shared about the impact covid will have on cancer treatments (which I shred a medical study btw, not a gut feel as was stated by another poster) and I’m going to bookmark this and we’ll compare whether the cure was worse than the disease. That’s before we even get started on the economic, mental illness, domestic abuse, alcohol abuse and other huge impacts this will have caused
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You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
Obviously that number would be an estimate that could vary wildly depending on assumptions such as whether people made any effort to stop the spread, etc. The only way to get any kind of answer for your sum would be to compare excess deaths that occur during a non-pandemic lockdown. Which we can't do either.
I do understand some of the reasons behind the lockdown cynicism. The world is crazy, it seems so surreal and extraordinary that something must be wrong. Something is wrong, but it's the highly contagious pandemic virus, not the efforts to stop it killing people (though obviously there have been mistakes). It's human nature to question the strange like this and look for order in chaos. I think the scary reality is that this pandemic is actually worse than most of us have been told.
The 'cure worse than the disease' is easy to say if you're not one of those that died or has been affected by the virus. Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? The selfish and entitled nature of many in West in particular, has lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people yet still they fight on. Facking stay at home and wear a mask when you go to the shop, it's not like you're being asked to go to war ffs.
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pathetic socialist argument and applauded by yet another moron.
just stay at home, forget your job.
"Would you prefer your parents to die fighting for their last breath, or struggle with loneliness for a few months? "
would you prefer your parents get cancer and it could be treated but they cant get treatment because an 84 year old with emphysema has their bed and has covid? seriously ask yourself that twit.
you make it so binary.
yes, covid was bad, its shown to be twice as lethal for patients who become hospitalised compared to influenza.
but do you even have the first idea how bad these draconian measures have been on the 99% of the population who are at extreme low risk of even mild symptoms?
you just come across as some pretentious IT worker who's only inconvenience is the fact you have to leave the pub by 10pm.
pathetic how you dismiss what scientists, economists, much smarter people than either of us have stated.
I at least accept covid is a terrible illness, you just deny that what this lockdown has caused has any repercussion not comparable to saving a few OAPs.
posted on 5/12/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 17 minutes ago
You won't get that answer, though. I see why you think you will - it's a simple sum, right? Except there are variables that you aren't accounting for, namely the effect of the lockdown in a positive sense in terms of how many deaths it prevented.
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so why when lockdown 1 ended and everyone went wild and infections went through the roof haven't deaths followed?
keep swallowing what the left sells you sweetheart
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Maybe because they had worked out which treatments work and so didn't result in as many deaths.
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