Sorry for being a bit dim here, just trying to make sense of the state of play.
This is an older article but highlights the complexities surrounding the structure of modern day football clubs. Not sure it answers any of your questions directly but it is doesn't take much imagination to understand why Derby are now in the mess they are. We are now seeing the culmination of prior decisions coming home to roost.....
http://priceoffootball.com/tag/derby-county/
You might want to add the iPro 'pizz' drink deal too. Feels lie over 10+ years ago, but didn't we change our stadium name as part of the deal?
@Rapsta Ram - interesting read, cheers for posting this!
Wasting your time trying to work it out. You could take the losses from the accounts each year and add them up but that still would get you close to what it's cost him.
Rough estimate is £10m a year over however many years he's been involved but I doubt if Mel really knows himself as there's been plenty of creative accounting going on.
I can answer your 2nd question though... are football clubs a good investment 🤔 No, no and thrice NO!
They are only for people who can literally afford to throw money away.
Cheers Rapsta
Will check this out now.
I guess it boils down to how much does Mel want for us?
How much debt do we currently owe?
Has Mel washed his hands of us? No judgment on that part just would be nice to know where we stand.
Crocodile infested 5hit creek without a paddle and sinking.
5hit Creek
or
Just about to dock on dry land, look out on the ocean and sip cocktails as the good times roll in on perfectly breaking waves.
Very interesting Rapsta and sobering.
Wonder how many fans would support a maximum wage for football players to ensure the clubs didn't go under.
The broadcasting rights though for me has always been the biggest contributor to inequality in this game.
I propose that it is a Universal Human Right to watch my football club for free on the tele without subscription or adverts.
Please sign my petition below.
I propose that it is a Universal Human Right to watch my football club for free on the tele without subscription or adverts.
Please sign my petition below.
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Scouse
(that's in my bestest handwriting).
comment by Rapsta Ram (U12911)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
This is an older article but highlights the complexities surrounding the structure of modern day football clubs. Not sure it answers any of your questions directly but it is doesn't take much imagination to understand why Derby are now in the mess they are. We are now seeing the culmination of prior decisions coming home to roost.....
http://priceoffootball.com/tag/derby-county/
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Thanks for that Rapsta, after reading that, its no wonder Steve Gibson has a face like a poor farmers ar5e!
It did say that the Owners make that rule though not the EFL. So Steve Gibson telling the EFL they need to charge us for breaching a rule that didn't exist is a bit daft.
He could have just said "that's not fair and we need to make a rule that you can't sell your stadium to yourself".
It's not in the spirit of the game thougg.
Begs the question why did we still spend money in 2019/20 shouldn't we just have had a mini fire sale plus austerity.
Maybe Mel was starstruck by Lamps n Rooney.
Ince and Vydra were OK signings as we got more back than what we paid. Butterfield, Johnson, Camara, Albentosa, Sammon, we got nothing back. There were also fees for renting players such as Mount, Tomori and Wilson H (good value), Best, Dowell, Paterson, Wilson J (poor value). Basically we have been crap in transfer market.
There used to be loads of complaints about Nigel Clough's newsagent brother but he seemed more effective than those who have followed.
Derby's scout is sponsored by Guide Dogs for the Blind.
We never seem to address the issue that these are not poor players. They obviously did well before joining, and some went on to perform better thereafter.
Too easy to blame players, we rarely accept that sometime they don't fit, and sometimes the coaching goes awry.
Hi 2W. I dont think we particularly need to do the maths on this situation. It's all down to simple economics I think.
As I've said several times no money coming in= Mel having to pay all the dcfc bills out of his own pocket. The overheads with no income must be horrendous. Which is why Mel is looking for investors. Fact is though Mel is worth £400m+. Should he have to fund it himself ? Well no, but the fact is that's what he has ATM. Mel though is no spring chicken and he cant take his money with him when he falls off the perch can he ? So, I say to Mel - kick the Sheik into touch, pay the players what they're owed and give Wayne a bit of dosh to bring in a couple of new players.If the club gets relegated it;s value will diminish even more and we'll end up the Sunderland of the Midlands.
comment by 🏴 HebridesRam (U2909)
posted 1 day, 14 hours ago
We never seem to address the issue that these are not poor players. They obviously did well before joining, and some went on to perform better thereafter.
Too easy to blame players, we rarely accept that sometime they don't fit, and sometimes the coaching goes awry.
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posted on 20/1/21
Sorry for being a bit dim here, just trying to make sense of the state of play.
posted on 20/1/21
This is an older article but highlights the complexities surrounding the structure of modern day football clubs. Not sure it answers any of your questions directly but it is doesn't take much imagination to understand why Derby are now in the mess they are. We are now seeing the culmination of prior decisions coming home to roost.....
http://priceoffootball.com/tag/derby-county/
posted on 20/1/21
You might want to add the iPro 'pizz' drink deal too. Feels lie over 10+ years ago, but didn't we change our stadium name as part of the deal?
@Rapsta Ram - interesting read, cheers for posting this!
posted on 20/1/21
Wasting your time trying to work it out. You could take the losses from the accounts each year and add them up but that still would get you close to what it's cost him.
Rough estimate is £10m a year over however many years he's been involved but I doubt if Mel really knows himself as there's been plenty of creative accounting going on.
I can answer your 2nd question though... are football clubs a good investment 🤔 No, no and thrice NO!
They are only for people who can literally afford to throw money away.
posted on 20/1/21
Cheers Rapsta
Will check this out now.
I guess it boils down to how much does Mel want for us?
How much debt do we currently owe?
Has Mel washed his hands of us? No judgment on that part just would be nice to know where we stand.
Crocodile infested 5hit creek without a paddle and sinking.
5hit Creek
or
Just about to dock on dry land, look out on the ocean and sip cocktails as the good times roll in on perfectly breaking waves.
posted on 20/1/21
Very interesting Rapsta and sobering.
Wonder how many fans would support a maximum wage for football players to ensure the clubs didn't go under.
The broadcasting rights though for me has always been the biggest contributor to inequality in this game.
I propose that it is a Universal Human Right to watch my football club for free on the tele without subscription or adverts.
Please sign my petition below.
posted on 20/1/21
I propose that it is a Universal Human Right to watch my football club for free on the tele without subscription or adverts.
Please sign my petition below.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scouse
(that's in my bestest handwriting).
posted on 20/1/21
comment by Rapsta Ram (U12911)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
This is an older article but highlights the complexities surrounding the structure of modern day football clubs. Not sure it answers any of your questions directly but it is doesn't take much imagination to understand why Derby are now in the mess they are. We are now seeing the culmination of prior decisions coming home to roost.....
http://priceoffootball.com/tag/derby-county/
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Thanks for that Rapsta, after reading that, its no wonder Steve Gibson has a face like a poor farmers ar5e!
posted on 20/1/21
It did say that the Owners make that rule though not the EFL. So Steve Gibson telling the EFL they need to charge us for breaching a rule that didn't exist is a bit daft.
He could have just said "that's not fair and we need to make a rule that you can't sell your stadium to yourself".
It's not in the spirit of the game thougg.
Begs the question why did we still spend money in 2019/20 shouldn't we just have had a mini fire sale plus austerity.
Maybe Mel was starstruck by Lamps n Rooney.
posted on 20/1/21
Ince and Vydra were OK signings as we got more back than what we paid. Butterfield, Johnson, Camara, Albentosa, Sammon, we got nothing back. There were also fees for renting players such as Mount, Tomori and Wilson H (good value), Best, Dowell, Paterson, Wilson J (poor value). Basically we have been crap in transfer market.
There used to be loads of complaints about Nigel Clough's newsagent brother but he seemed more effective than those who have followed.
posted on 20/1/21
Derby's scout is sponsored by Guide Dogs for the Blind.
posted on 20/1/21
We never seem to address the issue that these are not poor players. They obviously did well before joining, and some went on to perform better thereafter.
Too easy to blame players, we rarely accept that sometime they don't fit, and sometimes the coaching goes awry.
posted on 21/1/21
Hi 2W. I dont think we particularly need to do the maths on this situation. It's all down to simple economics I think.
As I've said several times no money coming in= Mel having to pay all the dcfc bills out of his own pocket. The overheads with no income must be horrendous. Which is why Mel is looking for investors. Fact is though Mel is worth £400m+. Should he have to fund it himself ? Well no, but the fact is that's what he has ATM. Mel though is no spring chicken and he cant take his money with him when he falls off the perch can he ? So, I say to Mel - kick the Sheik into touch, pay the players what they're owed and give Wayne a bit of dosh to bring in a couple of new players.If the club gets relegated it;s value will diminish even more and we'll end up the Sunderland of the Midlands.
posted on 22/1/21
comment by 🏴 HebridesRam (U2909)
posted 1 day, 14 hours ago
We never seem to address the issue that these are not poor players. They obviously did well before joining, and some went on to perform better thereafter.
Too easy to blame players, we rarely accept that sometime they don't fit, and sometimes the coaching goes awry.
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