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I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
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comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 25 seconds ago
I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
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Ongoing court cases will stop them from doing anything else right now.
Apologies... ok.
Recommendations, get them implimented.
Law suits? Yes, get the clubs sued, because hitting them in the pocket is the best way to hurt them.
Absolutely abhorrent situations these children found themselves in, adults they trusted taking advantage of them in most terrible way possible, lives ruined at the most vunerable time.
Hanging is too good for these predators.
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comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 10 minutes ago
I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
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Where to start
That is the ulimate "aye bit" comment - "Celtic is where the majority of it happened". This is why mud slinging happens, too much look over there going on. Pathetic
As for Paul the Tim. I don't know him, never met him, never followed him. Is he a creepy guy? Possibly, I do not know. Since when did creepy mean trial by social media is acceptable? If he is guilty of something let it get reported and dealt with, if not then don't ruin someone's life just because it is the cool thing to do on Twitter
comment by Zachsda( it’s 55, fifty five, LV.cinquan... (U1850)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
Does look a bit vague.
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It’s political as fook
All that time for a think tank conclusion
I could have written it last night
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Yeah that was my thinking hence the need to openly talk about the subject without aye bits and mud slinging. Politicised to the n'th degree. Lawyers are good at that, make you numb to the actual topic to take the emotion out of it
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
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Your final comment is an absolute shocker.
You're an utter clown.
It's a tough subject and i'm not keen on slagging or holding current board members to task on this.
I think the last known case was early 80s which is around 40 years ago.
I think we've come a long way in society in general over this issue, it doesn't seem near as rife, especially in sport.
Celtic are now a PLC and have no real alternative but to go down the separate entity route unfortunately, it's their duty to shareholders at this time.
I don't even know where you begin on how much damagers should be either.
I also have a deep rooted issue with this being a twitter thing, there is one family, i think the family's name is Gray and the mum and sister seem hellbent on wanting Celtic to cease to exist and that it's the clubs fault that their boy/brother died 20 years later.
To be honest, i'm not really sure what any club can do apart from put the appropriate measures in place to ensure these monsters don't get into their clubs again.
Fash showing what a buffoon he is
I’m for the victims all being publicly apologised to and compensated.
We should be bringing this right out into the public domain even if it means some will latch onto it as a “victory” badge.
These sick individuals choose a scarf in many cases but the colour of the club does not in return choose them. Above all that however if it was all done under our or anyone else’s watch and for whatever reason was “allowed” to continue then that business too must bear the cost of reparations.
The sadness in all of this are that the payouts are minimal and average £10k. Sure there are settlements that might get to £100k but a class action will just see lawyers mop up the greatest share while the victims receive less. That’s the reality of the world we live in.
As Zach says; burden of proof will be practically impossible to prove at the 100% level so “expectations” on a multi million pound payout couldn’t be further from the harsh reality of at most a few hundred thousand and to get this the victims will have to face public scrutiny and days in court having their every action questioned and ripped apart. Horrible in every aspect.
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Backlog of cases piling up suggest we’ll see nothing in real terms other than mud slinging for a few years yet.
I don’t know what folk were expecting from the report, although I’m sure I can guess what some were hoping for.
It was never going to be a report which left the authors open to civil action, and the same for anyone that’s mentioned (that’s not already been found guilty of criminal actions).
I’ve only skimmed it, and think it would be a tough read for anyone to go through in detail. There’s no way it can right the wrongs that happened in the past, but hopefully it can go some way to maybe not stop it ever happening again, but limit the chance of it being able to happen and have some rigorous and robust procedures in place to deal with it if it does happen again.
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The Paul the Tim stuff is appearing very, very suspicious on two counts.
The first is the fact the person who supposedly outed him didn't have any evidence and apparently someone knows who was behind the account and has already paid said person a visit.
Paul the Tim has deleted his snapchat which is a bit suspicious but he's also stated this is now in the hands of lawyers which would suggest he's going down the slander route.
He always seemed to be to be a boy who loved the club, never thought anything too sinister.
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Celtic settled and apologised for one case that was an actual Celtic football club coach and the incident took place at CP.
That case was reported to the police by Celtic.
The biggest issue with Celtic appears to be some believe the board and certain managers/coaches hid the fact this was going on at the boys club and still paid the coaches whilst they had knew of it going on.
I've not see anything to confirm if that was true but if it was, it's an out and out disgusting act by those involved and they too should be brought up on charges.
comment by Zachsda( it’s 55, fifty five, LV.cinquante-cinq) (U1850)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 34 seconds ago
The Paul the Tim stuff is appearing very, very suspicious on two counts.
The first is the fact the person who supposedly outed him didn't have any evidence and apparently someone knows who was behind the account and has already paid said person a visit.
Paul the Tim has deleted his snapchat which is a bit suspicious but he's also stated this is now in the hands of lawyers which would suggest he's going down the slander route.
He always seemed to be to be a boy who loved the club, never thought anything too sinister.
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It’s sad
He’s clearly a “target” cos he’s a “high profile” Tim
As I said it’s not fair in any way to try him on Twitter it’s awful
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People jumping on it saying they always knew he was a beast is bang out of order.
Same people who will champion mental health shouts the next day.
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Call sign in relation to your youth football comment...
In the late 1990s i done a website for my nephew's u 11 boys football team, one of the dads was a sports photographer, match reports, chairity events etc etc. All good so far... Well we had a guest book, which was vile, posts from people like "Fester the mol..", the traffic logs were people searching for "under ... boys". Had to remove the site. Grim.
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 37 seconds ago
Call sign in relation to your youth football comment...
In the late 1990s i done a website for my nephew's u 11 boys football team, one of the dads was a sports photographer, match reports, chairity events etc etc. All good so far... Well we had a guest book, which was vile, posts from people like "Fester the mol..", the traffic logs were people searching for "under ... boys". Had to remove the site. Grim.
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That’s social media for you.
We argue for our rights to free speech, complain when internet giants decide who to allow to be heard and who to be silenced whilst anyone can make up a user name and throw the most vile abuse without any foundation whatsoever with impunity or fear of being tasked.
Innocent people have been labelled and brutally assaulted, chastised and killed because some wee sweetie wife or the like had it in for them as he looked a wrong ‘un.
Moral compasses have no “north” to point to any longer.
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posted on 11/2/21
I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
posted on 11/2/21
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posted on 11/2/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 25 seconds ago
I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ongoing court cases will stop them from doing anything else right now.
posted on 11/2/21
Apologies... ok.
Recommendations, get them implimented.
Law suits? Yes, get the clubs sued, because hitting them in the pocket is the best way to hurt them.
Absolutely abhorrent situations these children found themselves in, adults they trusted taking advantage of them in most terrible way possible, lives ruined at the most vunerable time.
Hanging is too good for these predators.
posted on 11/2/21
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posted on 11/2/21
Does look a bit vague.
posted on 11/2/21
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posted on 11/2/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 10 minutes ago
I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where to start
That is the ulimate "aye bit" comment - "Celtic is where the majority of it happened". This is why mud slinging happens, too much look over there going on. Pathetic
As for Paul the Tim. I don't know him, never met him, never followed him. Is he a creepy guy? Possibly, I do not know. Since when did creepy mean trial by social media is acceptable? If he is guilty of something let it get reported and dealt with, if not then don't ruin someone's life just because it is the cool thing to do on Twitter
posted on 11/2/21
comment by Zachsda( it’s 55, fifty five, LV.cinquan... (U1850)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 minute ago
Does look a bit vague.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s political as fook
All that time for a think tank conclusion
I could have written it last night
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah that was my thinking hence the need to openly talk about the subject without aye bits and mud slinging. Politicised to the n'th degree. Lawyers are good at that, make you numb to the actual topic to take the emotion out of it
posted on 11/2/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think it's poor from the BBC to give credence to the separate entity nonsense. Celtic is where the majority of it happened so for them to put a line in about Celtic boys clubs after naming other clubs explicitly is poor.
Agreed everyone involved should apologise, no matter if it was one victim or 50.
As for Paul the Tim at the very least he's a creepy bastirt that's for the watching.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your final comment is an absolute shocker.
You're an utter clown.
posted on 11/2/21
It's a tough subject and i'm not keen on slagging or holding current board members to task on this.
I think the last known case was early 80s which is around 40 years ago.
I think we've come a long way in society in general over this issue, it doesn't seem near as rife, especially in sport.
Celtic are now a PLC and have no real alternative but to go down the separate entity route unfortunately, it's their duty to shareholders at this time.
I don't even know where you begin on how much damagers should be either.
I also have a deep rooted issue with this being a twitter thing, there is one family, i think the family's name is Gray and the mum and sister seem hellbent on wanting Celtic to cease to exist and that it's the clubs fault that their boy/brother died 20 years later.
To be honest, i'm not really sure what any club can do apart from put the appropriate measures in place to ensure these monsters don't get into their clubs again.
posted on 11/2/21
Fash showing what a buffoon he is
posted on 11/2/21
I’m for the victims all being publicly apologised to and compensated.
We should be bringing this right out into the public domain even if it means some will latch onto it as a “victory” badge.
These sick individuals choose a scarf in many cases but the colour of the club does not in return choose them. Above all that however if it was all done under our or anyone else’s watch and for whatever reason was “allowed” to continue then that business too must bear the cost of reparations.
The sadness in all of this are that the payouts are minimal and average £10k. Sure there are settlements that might get to £100k but a class action will just see lawyers mop up the greatest share while the victims receive less. That’s the reality of the world we live in.
As Zach says; burden of proof will be practically impossible to prove at the 100% level so “expectations” on a multi million pound payout couldn’t be further from the harsh reality of at most a few hundred thousand and to get this the victims will have to face public scrutiny and days in court having their every action questioned and ripped apart. Horrible in every aspect.
posted on 11/2/21
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posted on 11/2/21
Backlog of cases piling up suggest we’ll see nothing in real terms other than mud slinging for a few years yet.
posted on 11/2/21
I don’t know what folk were expecting from the report, although I’m sure I can guess what some were hoping for.
It was never going to be a report which left the authors open to civil action, and the same for anyone that’s mentioned (that’s not already been found guilty of criminal actions).
I’ve only skimmed it, and think it would be a tough read for anyone to go through in detail. There’s no way it can right the wrongs that happened in the past, but hopefully it can go some way to maybe not stop it ever happening again, but limit the chance of it being able to happen and have some rigorous and robust procedures in place to deal with it if it does happen again.
posted on 11/2/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/2/21
The Paul the Tim stuff is appearing very, very suspicious on two counts.
The first is the fact the person who supposedly outed him didn't have any evidence and apparently someone knows who was behind the account and has already paid said person a visit.
Paul the Tim has deleted his snapchat which is a bit suspicious but he's also stated this is now in the hands of lawyers which would suggest he's going down the slander route.
He always seemed to be to be a boy who loved the club, never thought anything too sinister.
posted on 11/2/21
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posted on 11/2/21
Celtic settled and apologised for one case that was an actual Celtic football club coach and the incident took place at CP.
That case was reported to the police by Celtic.
The biggest issue with Celtic appears to be some believe the board and certain managers/coaches hid the fact this was going on at the boys club and still paid the coaches whilst they had knew of it going on.
I've not see anything to confirm if that was true but if it was, it's an out and out disgusting act by those involved and they too should be brought up on charges.
posted on 11/2/21
comment by Zachsda( it’s 55, fifty five, LV.cinquante-cinq) (U1850)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 34 seconds ago
The Paul the Tim stuff is appearing very, very suspicious on two counts.
The first is the fact the person who supposedly outed him didn't have any evidence and apparently someone knows who was behind the account and has already paid said person a visit.
Paul the Tim has deleted his snapchat which is a bit suspicious but he's also stated this is now in the hands of lawyers which would suggest he's going down the slander route.
He always seemed to be to be a boy who loved the club, never thought anything too sinister.
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It’s sad
He’s clearly a “target” cos he’s a “high profile” Tim
As I said it’s not fair in any way to try him on Twitter it’s awful
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People jumping on it saying they always knew he was a beast is bang out of order.
Same people who will champion mental health shouts the next day.
posted on 11/2/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/2/21
Call sign in relation to your youth football comment...
In the late 1990s i done a website for my nephew's u 11 boys football team, one of the dads was a sports photographer, match reports, chairity events etc etc. All good so far... Well we had a guest book, which was vile, posts from people like "Fester the mol..", the traffic logs were people searching for "under ... boys". Had to remove the site. Grim.
posted on 11/2/21
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 37 seconds ago
Call sign in relation to your youth football comment...
In the late 1990s i done a website for my nephew's u 11 boys football team, one of the dads was a sports photographer, match reports, chairity events etc etc. All good so far... Well we had a guest book, which was vile, posts from people like "Fester the mol..", the traffic logs were people searching for "under ... boys". Had to remove the site. Grim.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s social media for you.
We argue for our rights to free speech, complain when internet giants decide who to allow to be heard and who to be silenced whilst anyone can make up a user name and throw the most vile abuse without any foundation whatsoever with impunity or fear of being tasked.
Innocent people have been labelled and brutally assaulted, chastised and killed because some wee sweetie wife or the like had it in for them as he looked a wrong ‘un.
Moral compasses have no “north” to point to any longer.
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