How can you mention atmosphere when the football is that bad OT has been virtually empty for the last year.
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
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My point is under Mourinho, the atmosphere was so toxic, any new manager will be a massive improvement in that area. I don't think the atmosphere under LVG was bad, the football was boring but I don't think a lot of players stopped playing for him at any point.
Yes he’s done a lot right as manager.
The jury is still out on whether he can win the biggest prizes but I certainly think he’s the right man for now.
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
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My point is under Mourinho, the atmosphere was so toxic, any new manager will be a massive improvement in that area. I don't think the atmosphere under LVG was bad, the football was boring but I don't think a lot of players stopped playing for him at any point.
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Yes, but the plyers mentality wasn't that of a side who wanted to win at all costs.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
How can you mention atmosphere when the football is that bad OT has been virtually empty for the last year.
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I was talking about the club as a team spirit, not the Old Trafford. It is mainly we're looking like a team playing with the same purpose rather than some players vs the manager...
It's not black and white. The mistakes are obviously there, what's concerning is hes still making the same ones.
The main strengths are we have improved in the transfer market overall.
Shaw has really improved under him as has fred and rashford.
Hes handled the pogba fiasco well.
He continues to promote youth too
Not the manager to win us big trophies but will leave the squad better off than what he inherited.
Especially about The Utes.
He's been slacking on the youth development front this season with no EL to use as a test bed.
Hopefully Tuanzebe, Amad and Shola get starts on Thursday....
Really looking forward to seeing Diallo at some point
The atmosphere around the club and the squad has been one of the biggest positives of having Ole in charge along with the improvement we've shown on the counter and his handling of our youngsters on the whole. Those for me are the three things that have remained pretty constant throughout his time in charge.
Regarding our recruitment/transfer policy, I'm not a huge fan of the business we've done overall, Bruno aside. I think our policy is still a bit muddled and the money we've spent, especially during Ole's first summer could've been put to better use. This summer's business wasn't particularly great either.
I sort of find it hard to say for sure if a player has got better or got worse because of a manager which is why I usually try to avoid making such definitive claims. Yes players have improved under Ole, some have got worse but there could be a wide range of reasons as to why.
My biggest issue by far as it was under Van Gaal and was under Mourinho is the way we play and last night's game was no different. Regardless of whether we win or lose, I find our football in general to be very rough around the edges, still quite risk-averse and difficult to enjoy. It's often too slow and scrappy, it's reactive and devoid of any real verve and flow. That it's an improvement on what was served up under Mourinho isn't anything to write home about, just as it wasn't when people were saying the same thing about the football under Mourinho compared to Van Gaal.
The fact that we sit 2nd (which Ole deserves credit for) and are the highest scorers in the league doesn't mean we've played good football this season bar a handful of occasions. It says more about the spirit in the squad and the individual quality of certain players in it than anything else. We're still a long way from being a team that is more than just the sum of its parts.
Fair enough.
The football was a bit off this season. But it's not always been the case. We had one of the best spells post Fergie so I think it's down to the squad depth we had.
The summer transfer wasn't good enough. I doubt VDB was Ole's signing, it's not a secret Ole wanted Sancho or earlier was Haaland. He get none of them. It is more Ed than Ole. Fergie might not enjoy the success he had without David Gill
Not sure how the transfer business has been a success. Bruno’s the only bonafide success in the transfer market. And that came six months too late as we facked about chasing other targets that wouldn’t come. This summer was an even bigger shambles. And it’s no just about the players signed but the areas neglected to sign the players we signed.
It’s difficult to blame Ole for all of this as he’s not responsible for getting the signings. But he’s got a responsibility when it comes to recruitment and it’s still not been good enough.
Leicester have assembled a squad as good as ours in the same time frame, and was pretty much paid for by the money we gave them for Harry facking Maguire.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not sure how the transfer business has been a success. Bruno’s the only bonafide success in the transfer market. And that came six months too late as we facked about chasing other targets that wouldn’t come. This summer was an even bigger shambles. And it’s no just about the players signed but the areas neglected to sign the players we signed.
It’s difficult to blame Ole for all of this as he’s not responsible for getting the signings. But he’s got a responsibility when it comes to recruitment and it’s still not been good enough.
Leicester have assembled a squad as good as ours in the same time frame, and was pretty much paid for by the money we gave them for Harry facking Maguire.
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As I said, Ole wanted Sancho, Haaland, got none.
We had been linked with Bruno for ages, I'm sure we could sign him earlier had he managed the cash.
You can always find a team with better success with signings. Leicester doesn't have a lot of deadwood on high wages like us. To say ours was bad, you can look at Arsenal or Spurs.
But that doesn’t make the business we did do a success, just because Ole couldn’t get Haaland and Sancho. We could have signed him earlier but we went for other targets, that we didn’t get.
It doesn’t matter that Leicester doesn’t have loads of deadwood on big wages - though that’s mainly because they have a good transfer policy - the point was that they’ve spent money far better than we have, mainly funded by giving them 80 facking million pounds for Harry Maguire.
Our transfer business is still a mess. I really don’t get why people are using this as a positive under Ole, it’s the same shiiiit we’ve been used to seeing under previous managers. Which is why I have some sympathy for Ole here, because Woodward is a facking clown. But he needs to share some responsibility in our transfer policy as well. He’s failed here.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
But that doesn’t make the business we did do a success, just because Ole couldn’t get Haaland and Sancho. We could have signed him earlier but we went for other targets, that we didn’t get.
It doesn’t matter that Leicester doesn’t have loads of deadwood on big wages - though that’s mainly because they have a good transfer policy - the point was that they’ve spent money far better than we have, mainly funded by giving them 80 facking million pounds for Harry Maguire.
Our transfer business is still a mess. I really don’t get why people are using this as a positive under Ole, it’s the same shiiiit we’ve been used to seeing under previous managers. Which is why I have some sympathy for Ole here, because Woodward is a facking clown. But he needs to share some responsibility in our transfer policy as well. He’s failed here.
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Did I really say our transfer business is a success? I said the signings that Ole did was working.
Maguire has been playing almost 100% of our games. He might not be as good as Bailly although he is not as bad as our fans make it out to be, but I rather have him than the later.
Eh? The whole premise of the article is Ole’s success, and you’ve listed transfers as one of these. But it’s not, it’s still a failure. Maguire being better than Bailly doesn’t take a lot, Bailly is shiiiiit.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eh? The whole premise of the article is Ole’s success, and you’ve listed transfers as one of these. But it’s not, it’s still a failure. Maguire being better than Bailly doesn’t take a lot, Bailly is shiiiiit.
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Maybe title is misleading, just to counter against Ole's mistake article.
Bailly when fit isn't shiiit, I play him ahead of Lindelof any day
He really is. But he can’t stay fit anyway, so it makes him even more of a waste of space.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
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But lacks in the key areas, coaching us to pass the ball with pace and playing with tempo and energy. It's counter attack or nothing for Ole.
Coaching us to defend set pieces would also help.
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posted on 22/2/21
How can you mention atmosphere when the football is that bad OT has been virtually empty for the last year.
posted on 22/2/21
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is under Mourinho, the atmosphere was so toxic, any new manager will be a massive improvement in that area. I don't think the atmosphere under LVG was bad, the football was boring but I don't think a lot of players stopped playing for him at any point.
posted on 22/2/21
Yes he’s done a lot right as manager.
The jury is still out on whether he can win the biggest prizes but I certainly think he’s the right man for now.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
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My point is under Mourinho, the atmosphere was so toxic, any new manager will be a massive improvement in that area. I don't think the atmosphere under LVG was bad, the football was boring but I don't think a lot of players stopped playing for him at any point.
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Yes, but the plyers mentality wasn't that of a side who wanted to win at all costs.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
How can you mention atmosphere when the football is that bad OT has been virtually empty for the last year.
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I was talking about the club as a team spirit, not the Old Trafford. It is mainly we're looking like a team playing with the same purpose rather than some players vs the manager...
posted on 22/2/21
It's not black and white. The mistakes are obviously there, what's concerning is hes still making the same ones.
The main strengths are we have improved in the transfer market overall.
Shaw has really improved under him as has fred and rashford.
Hes handled the pogba fiasco well.
He continues to promote youth too
Not the manager to win us big trophies but will leave the squad better off than what he inherited.
posted on 22/2/21
Especially about The Utes.
posted on 22/2/21
He's been slacking on the youth development front this season with no EL to use as a test bed.
Hopefully Tuanzebe, Amad and Shola get starts on Thursday....
posted on 22/2/21
Really looking forward to seeing Diallo at some point
posted on 22/2/21
The atmosphere around the club and the squad has been one of the biggest positives of having Ole in charge along with the improvement we've shown on the counter and his handling of our youngsters on the whole. Those for me are the three things that have remained pretty constant throughout his time in charge.
Regarding our recruitment/transfer policy, I'm not a huge fan of the business we've done overall, Bruno aside. I think our policy is still a bit muddled and the money we've spent, especially during Ole's first summer could've been put to better use. This summer's business wasn't particularly great either.
I sort of find it hard to say for sure if a player has got better or got worse because of a manager which is why I usually try to avoid making such definitive claims. Yes players have improved under Ole, some have got worse but there could be a wide range of reasons as to why.
My biggest issue by far as it was under Van Gaal and was under Mourinho is the way we play and last night's game was no different. Regardless of whether we win or lose, I find our football in general to be very rough around the edges, still quite risk-averse and difficult to enjoy. It's often too slow and scrappy, it's reactive and devoid of any real verve and flow. That it's an improvement on what was served up under Mourinho isn't anything to write home about, just as it wasn't when people were saying the same thing about the football under Mourinho compared to Van Gaal.
The fact that we sit 2nd (which Ole deserves credit for) and are the highest scorers in the league doesn't mean we've played good football this season bar a handful of occasions. It says more about the spirit in the squad and the individual quality of certain players in it than anything else. We're still a long way from being a team that is more than just the sum of its parts.
posted on 22/2/21
Fair enough.
The football was a bit off this season. But it's not always been the case. We had one of the best spells post Fergie so I think it's down to the squad depth we had.
The summer transfer wasn't good enough. I doubt VDB was Ole's signing, it's not a secret Ole wanted Sancho or earlier was Haaland. He get none of them. It is more Ed than Ole. Fergie might not enjoy the success he had without David Gill
posted on 22/2/21
Not sure how the transfer business has been a success. Bruno’s the only bonafide success in the transfer market. And that came six months too late as we facked about chasing other targets that wouldn’t come. This summer was an even bigger shambles. And it’s no just about the players signed but the areas neglected to sign the players we signed.
It’s difficult to blame Ole for all of this as he’s not responsible for getting the signings. But he’s got a responsibility when it comes to recruitment and it’s still not been good enough.
Leicester have assembled a squad as good as ours in the same time frame, and was pretty much paid for by the money we gave them for Harry facking Maguire.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not sure how the transfer business has been a success. Bruno’s the only bonafide success in the transfer market. And that came six months too late as we facked about chasing other targets that wouldn’t come. This summer was an even bigger shambles. And it’s no just about the players signed but the areas neglected to sign the players we signed.
It’s difficult to blame Ole for all of this as he’s not responsible for getting the signings. But he’s got a responsibility when it comes to recruitment and it’s still not been good enough.
Leicester have assembled a squad as good as ours in the same time frame, and was pretty much paid for by the money we gave them for Harry facking Maguire.
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As I said, Ole wanted Sancho, Haaland, got none.
We had been linked with Bruno for ages, I'm sure we could sign him earlier had he managed the cash.
You can always find a team with better success with signings. Leicester doesn't have a lot of deadwood on high wages like us. To say ours was bad, you can look at Arsenal or Spurs.
posted on 22/2/21
But that doesn’t make the business we did do a success, just because Ole couldn’t get Haaland and Sancho. We could have signed him earlier but we went for other targets, that we didn’t get.
It doesn’t matter that Leicester doesn’t have loads of deadwood on big wages - though that’s mainly because they have a good transfer policy - the point was that they’ve spent money far better than we have, mainly funded by giving them 80 facking million pounds for Harry Maguire.
Our transfer business is still a mess. I really don’t get why people are using this as a positive under Ole, it’s the same shiiiit we’ve been used to seeing under previous managers. Which is why I have some sympathy for Ole here, because Woodward is a facking clown. But he needs to share some responsibility in our transfer policy as well. He’s failed here.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
But that doesn’t make the business we did do a success, just because Ole couldn’t get Haaland and Sancho. We could have signed him earlier but we went for other targets, that we didn’t get.
It doesn’t matter that Leicester doesn’t have loads of deadwood on big wages - though that’s mainly because they have a good transfer policy - the point was that they’ve spent money far better than we have, mainly funded by giving them 80 facking million pounds for Harry Maguire.
Our transfer business is still a mess. I really don’t get why people are using this as a positive under Ole, it’s the same shiiiit we’ve been used to seeing under previous managers. Which is why I have some sympathy for Ole here, because Woodward is a facking clown. But he needs to share some responsibility in our transfer policy as well. He’s failed here.
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Did I really say our transfer business is a success? I said the signings that Ole did was working.
Maguire has been playing almost 100% of our games. He might not be as good as Bailly although he is not as bad as our fans make it out to be, but I rather have him than the later.
posted on 22/2/21
Eh? The whole premise of the article is Ole’s success, and you’ve listed transfers as one of these. But it’s not, it’s still a failure. Maguire being better than Bailly doesn’t take a lot, Bailly is shiiiiit.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eh? The whole premise of the article is Ole’s success, and you’ve listed transfers as one of these. But it’s not, it’s still a failure. Maguire being better than Bailly doesn’t take a lot, Bailly is shiiiiit.
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Maybe title is misleading, just to counter against Ole's mistake article.
Bailly when fit isn't shiiit, I play him ahead of Lindelof any day
posted on 22/2/21
He really is. But he can’t stay fit anyway, so it makes him even more of a waste of space.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
Club atmostphere:
This is not hard to achieve
Then why couldn't Moyes, LVG or Jose manage it? The shift in mentality has been the best thing Ole has done, coupled with his recruitment strategy.
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But lacks in the key areas, coaching us to pass the ball with pace and playing with tempo and energy. It's counter attack or nothing for Ole.
Coaching us to defend set pieces would also help.
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