Is runners up in the Euros really underachieving?
Got to say I am a huge fan of your lad Kalvin. Terrific footballer.
First final in 55 years, semis in the World Cup - Yeah hes been a disaster!
comment by Cinci'sBestDay (U22512)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is runners up in the Euros really underachieving?
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When we were doing our predictions on here before the tournament started I said we wouldn't get out the group
Most people went for QF knockout, because that's the level we're at.
Short memories and all that.
Last two tournaments, runner up on pens and extra time of semis.
That was a decent italy side, he’s not done a bad job at all. Infact other than Ramsey it’s the best record of any England manager. This article is harsh.
I thought his decision making in extra time & penalties baffling - but then you can get that with any manager from time to time.
Overall reaching a semi and final in successive international tournaments isn't the worst record.
I do have reservations about him - how would this crop do with a more adventurous manager? Is he just lucky to have the current crop to work with, or is it his coaching/planning?
We conceeded two goals all tournament.
We were litrally a post and a great keeper away from winning the competition.
We lost to the best team in it.
If you think Southgate got it wrong over the tournament go watch cricket, cause football isint for you.
It's an opinion & debating forum ....
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 42 minutes ago
First final in 55 years, semis in the World Cup - Yeah hes been a disaster!
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Nobody remembers runners up....it's a reality, we failed
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 41 seconds ago
It's an opinion & debating forum ....
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And its my opinion they should go watch cricket instead
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 41 seconds ago
It's an opinion & debating forum ....
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And its my opinion they should go watch cricket instead
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Crickets dull .... just my opinion ....
I'm not a great admirer of Southgate, but he deserves credit for reaching the final.
The truth about tournaments where teams are seeded followed by knock outs is that the luck of the draw counts for plenty. The top 6 teams in the FIFA rankings include France, Belgium, Portugal and Spain. We managed to avoid all of them.
Way the draw opened up in last two tournaments, semi and final, for me is the minimum requirement with this squad.
Trying to be too clever at times, team constantly changing formation and personal. Too negative
Put this way, I wouldn’t want him to replace Beilsa
The best team won on the night but what a chance we missed.
Going ahead so early was the killer I think. As we got closer to the 90 mins we just got more and more defensive until you just knew a goal was coming - a bit of luck - a scramble or a great free kick.
Southgate probably got it spot on 1st half and just plain wrong 2nd half. IMO we should have gone at them with a couple of attacking subs.
Opinions eh? We all have them. I'm not saying I am right or wrong but I would have gone for the second goal if I had been boss.
The only comfort I have is that Italy were my pick to win the tournament a few weeks back. Pity I didn't put money on it at the time
Starting a final with 5 at the back against a team of technically elite players is crazy. Having zero ball and chasing shadows is a direct result of sitting deep and that’s caused by a negative tactical approach.
By 60minutes we had dead legs up top. Italy’s aging defence showed in the Sakabinstance what pace and a sharp attack does to them, but instead of utilising Sancho and Rashford for the entirety of extra time, he brings them on with 2 mins to go totally cold smh.
1-star. Cba even replying
I don't like cricket.... I love it!
Obviously on paper it seems brilliant we got to a semi in the world Cup and the final in the Euros narrowly losing on penalties.
In my lifetime having watched football and supported Leeds since 74/75 and played for my county for 5 years at schoolboy level, I am not saying I know everything about the sport I love but I think I have a pretty good grasp of what is a good positive approach and set up of a team and a negative defensive one.
OK sometimes if you are limited at what you have at your disposal talent wise then like Greece did in 2002 I think it was, they played to their defensive strengths, parked the bus and won the tournament.
Southgate had an abundance of game changers in the squad he didn't incorporate into the side enough and relyed on a strong defensive line up concentrating on stopping the opposition playing rather than being more pro active and playing more attack minded players while still having a solid back line. If Southgate had been more like Bielsa in his approach I think we would have, like Leeds, scored more than we conceded and won the tournament.
This is my opinion though and others will have their own opinion and be quite content with Southgate at the helm and let's hope he can learn from this and recognise that attack is the greatest form of defence and we grace another final with more than 35% possession.
comment by 🎤Mike drop🎤 (U15513)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Starting a final with 5 at the back against a team of technically elite players is crazy. Having zero ball and chasing shadows is a direct result of sitting deep and that’s caused by a negative tactical approach.
By 60minutes we had dead legs up top. Italy’s aging defence showed in the Sakabinstance what pace and a sharp attack does to them, but instead of utilising Sancho and Rashford for the entirety of extra time, he brings them on with 2 mins to go totally cold smh.
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The 2 late subs had us all screaming at the TV to get them on. Really thought the Italians would manage to keep the ball, so we couldn't get them on anyway. As it turned out it didn't make the greatest difference.
But as an armchair fan I'd have liked to see those players introduced earlier in extra time, i just think it would have helped them settle more.
Still proud of the team, great effort.
As for Kalvin ............ just absolute class as a player and person.
Kalvin the only one who kissed his losers medal, the rest of them couldnot wait to get the medel off and throwing it in a bin, says how humble and modest our Kalvin is. Hope he does not leave Leeds, he's class as a person and player as VOF said above.
Agree fully with Macca's article, England barely scraped though beating Denmark, and if they had beaten Italy on the penalty shootout, they certainly would not have deserved it on the day - the best team won. Southgate needs replacing...tired of his overcautious goody 2 shoe attitude.
To all those who want Southgate out, I hear Roy Hodgson's available.
If we make the subs earlier we lose in extra time with Rashford playing right back and Sancho in Henderson's role.
I was there last night
It hurt a lot
We have the right man. He gets international football.
I don’t mind the slightly negative approach. It is usually how tournaments are won internationally however I think we were too defensive. We sat back too much
I felt Phillips was exceptional. We have the base there for further development
Must add the situation at Wembley was a disgrace. Non ticket holders slamming through, people having to urinate all down Wembley way because of no toilets, no police, stewards not checking anyone
Chaos
I think Southgate deserves a lot of credit. Cautious football wins it at international level - you have a maximum of 7 games every 2 years, you can't afford to go gung-ho. Italy were cautious all tournament and won it.
They breezed through the group, beat Germany, smashed Ukraine, held their nerve in the semi-final (which was a good performance) and took Italy all the way to penalties to beat us. Conceded 2 goals all tournament - both set pieces and a bit lucky. No one beat England over 90-120 minutes.
Without a doubt he had a bad game last night. The game got away from England and he couldn't do anything to stop it. The management for the penalties was awful - bringing on two players who have barely kicked a ball all tournament to take a penalty was heaping so much pressure on them, no surprise they missed. Then having Saka as the fifth penalty was very harsh on a 19 year old.
But overall, he's taken us to a semi-final and a final in consecutive tournaments. And I'm not having this nonsense about it being an easy run, that is such a disrespect to the teams we played. People talk like Colombia, Denmark, Germany are pushovers - they are tough games.
France got put out by Switzerland and Spain were close to being as well. That's the sort of team that if England had drawn and beaten, everyone would say it was an easy draw.
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posted on 12/7/21
Is runners up in the Euros really underachieving?
posted on 12/7/21
Got to say I am a huge fan of your lad Kalvin. Terrific footballer.
posted on 12/7/21
First final in 55 years, semis in the World Cup - Yeah hes been a disaster!
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Cinci'sBestDay (U22512)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is runners up in the Euros really underachieving?
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When we were doing our predictions on here before the tournament started I said we wouldn't get out the group
Most people went for QF knockout, because that's the level we're at.
Short memories and all that.
posted on 12/7/21
Last two tournaments, runner up on pens and extra time of semis.
That was a decent italy side, he’s not done a bad job at all. Infact other than Ramsey it’s the best record of any England manager. This article is harsh.
posted on 12/7/21
I thought his decision making in extra time & penalties baffling - but then you can get that with any manager from time to time.
Overall reaching a semi and final in successive international tournaments isn't the worst record.
I do have reservations about him - how would this crop do with a more adventurous manager? Is he just lucky to have the current crop to work with, or is it his coaching/planning?
posted on 12/7/21
We conceeded two goals all tournament.
We were litrally a post and a great keeper away from winning the competition.
We lost to the best team in it.
If you think Southgate got it wrong over the tournament go watch cricket, cause football isint for you.
posted on 12/7/21
It's an opinion & debating forum ....
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 42 minutes ago
First final in 55 years, semis in the World Cup - Yeah hes been a disaster!
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Nobody remembers runners up....it's a reality, we failed
posted on 12/7/21
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 41 seconds ago
It's an opinion & debating forum ....
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And its my opinion they should go watch cricket instead
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 41 seconds ago
It's an opinion & debating forum ....
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And its my opinion they should go watch cricket instead
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Crickets dull .... just my opinion ....
posted on 12/7/21
I'm not a great admirer of Southgate, but he deserves credit for reaching the final.
The truth about tournaments where teams are seeded followed by knock outs is that the luck of the draw counts for plenty. The top 6 teams in the FIFA rankings include France, Belgium, Portugal and Spain. We managed to avoid all of them.
posted on 12/7/21
Way the draw opened up in last two tournaments, semi and final, for me is the minimum requirement with this squad.
Trying to be too clever at times, team constantly changing formation and personal. Too negative
Put this way, I wouldn’t want him to replace Beilsa
posted on 12/7/21
The best team won on the night but what a chance we missed.
Going ahead so early was the killer I think. As we got closer to the 90 mins we just got more and more defensive until you just knew a goal was coming - a bit of luck - a scramble or a great free kick.
Southgate probably got it spot on 1st half and just plain wrong 2nd half. IMO we should have gone at them with a couple of attacking subs.
Opinions eh? We all have them. I'm not saying I am right or wrong but I would have gone for the second goal if I had been boss.
The only comfort I have is that Italy were my pick to win the tournament a few weeks back. Pity I didn't put money on it at the time
posted on 12/7/21
Starting a final with 5 at the back against a team of technically elite players is crazy. Having zero ball and chasing shadows is a direct result of sitting deep and that’s caused by a negative tactical approach.
By 60minutes we had dead legs up top. Italy’s aging defence showed in the Sakabinstance what pace and a sharp attack does to them, but instead of utilising Sancho and Rashford for the entirety of extra time, he brings them on with 2 mins to go totally cold smh.
posted on 12/7/21
1-star. Cba even replying
posted on 12/7/21
I don't like cricket.... I love it!
Obviously on paper it seems brilliant we got to a semi in the world Cup and the final in the Euros narrowly losing on penalties.
In my lifetime having watched football and supported Leeds since 74/75 and played for my county for 5 years at schoolboy level, I am not saying I know everything about the sport I love but I think I have a pretty good grasp of what is a good positive approach and set up of a team and a negative defensive one.
OK sometimes if you are limited at what you have at your disposal talent wise then like Greece did in 2002 I think it was, they played to their defensive strengths, parked the bus and won the tournament.
Southgate had an abundance of game changers in the squad he didn't incorporate into the side enough and relyed on a strong defensive line up concentrating on stopping the opposition playing rather than being more pro active and playing more attack minded players while still having a solid back line. If Southgate had been more like Bielsa in his approach I think we would have, like Leeds, scored more than we conceded and won the tournament.
This is my opinion though and others will have their own opinion and be quite content with Southgate at the helm and let's hope he can learn from this and recognise that attack is the greatest form of defence and we grace another final with more than 35% possession.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by 🎤Mike drop🎤 (U15513)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Starting a final with 5 at the back against a team of technically elite players is crazy. Having zero ball and chasing shadows is a direct result of sitting deep and that’s caused by a negative tactical approach.
By 60minutes we had dead legs up top. Italy’s aging defence showed in the Sakabinstance what pace and a sharp attack does to them, but instead of utilising Sancho and Rashford for the entirety of extra time, he brings them on with 2 mins to go totally cold smh.
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The 2 late subs had us all screaming at the TV to get them on. Really thought the Italians would manage to keep the ball, so we couldn't get them on anyway. As it turned out it didn't make the greatest difference.
But as an armchair fan I'd have liked to see those players introduced earlier in extra time, i just think it would have helped them settle more.
Still proud of the team, great effort.
As for Kalvin ............ just absolute class as a player and person.
posted on 12/7/21
Kalvin the only one who kissed his losers medal, the rest of them couldnot wait to get the medel off and throwing it in a bin, says how humble and modest our Kalvin is. Hope he does not leave Leeds, he's class as a person and player as VOF said above.
posted on 12/7/21
Agree fully with Macca's article, England barely scraped though beating Denmark, and if they had beaten Italy on the penalty shootout, they certainly would not have deserved it on the day - the best team won. Southgate needs replacing...tired of his overcautious goody 2 shoe attitude.
posted on 12/7/21
To all those who want Southgate out, I hear Roy Hodgson's available.
posted on 12/7/21
And pigs will fly...
posted on 12/7/21
If we make the subs earlier we lose in extra time with Rashford playing right back and Sancho in Henderson's role.
posted on 12/7/21
I was there last night
It hurt a lot
We have the right man. He gets international football.
I don’t mind the slightly negative approach. It is usually how tournaments are won internationally however I think we were too defensive. We sat back too much
I felt Phillips was exceptional. We have the base there for further development
Must add the situation at Wembley was a disgrace. Non ticket holders slamming through, people having to urinate all down Wembley way because of no toilets, no police, stewards not checking anyone
Chaos
posted on 12/7/21
I think Southgate deserves a lot of credit. Cautious football wins it at international level - you have a maximum of 7 games every 2 years, you can't afford to go gung-ho. Italy were cautious all tournament and won it.
They breezed through the group, beat Germany, smashed Ukraine, held their nerve in the semi-final (which was a good performance) and took Italy all the way to penalties to beat us. Conceded 2 goals all tournament - both set pieces and a bit lucky. No one beat England over 90-120 minutes.
Without a doubt he had a bad game last night. The game got away from England and he couldn't do anything to stop it. The management for the penalties was awful - bringing on two players who have barely kicked a ball all tournament to take a penalty was heaping so much pressure on them, no surprise they missed. Then having Saka as the fifth penalty was very harsh on a 19 year old.
But overall, he's taken us to a semi-final and a final in consecutive tournaments. And I'm not having this nonsense about it being an easy run, that is such a disrespect to the teams we played. People talk like Colombia, Denmark, Germany are pushovers - they are tough games.
France got put out by Switzerland and Spain were close to being as well. That's the sort of team that if England had drawn and beaten, everyone would say it was an easy draw.
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