a population of 11bn is unsustainable. We can’t bury our head in the sand on overpopulation just because it’s not politic to do so.

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Is it though? I mean, at the rate we're going 7bn is unsustainable. The number isn't the issue, it's how we're living.

And besides, I thought the current wisdom was that we'll top out at around 10bn. Birth rates drop as countries get wealthier.

comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 13 minutes ago
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comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
How many on this thread have children I wonder? Each one is worse for the environment yearly than the equivalent in doing all the basic recycling and conservation efforts.
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Really? Well fek that. I have none. Can I forget about recycling and conservation? Just asking.
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Nope, like me you don't get to slack off, you have to cover for the selfish cants who bang out three of the worthless shats. Just you get to do it while having fun every day.

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Why dont you slap your parents for having you and top yourself. Caaaaaant
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Naivety back then lad, no excuse now though, we all know the damage done and the sad decline of the world around us.
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Ok, so I am excused as well then and dont have to top my twins ?

Anyway, I still think you should slap your parents for being naive and question your existence to them

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 32 minutes ago
Save the planet, eat your neighbour.
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My missus never bought that excuse when she caught us

Latest figures I saw were UN figures estimating 11bn. 10 or 11, it’ll mean war, famine, poverty and mass migration.

Of course, a $60Tn solar panel solution on the equator would sort the whole world out. Get campaigning.

comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
In the developed world the carbon footprint of a child is roughly 58.6 metric tonnes annually, whereas that of a Malawian child has consistently been estimated between 0.07 and metric tonnes annually.
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Aye, but where were the Malawis when we needed a vaccine, solar panels and iphones?

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
We will probably see a colonial style retaking of foreign lands with the best climates eventually many years from now when the first world nations have ruined their first go round.
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Well we know where you cants are going to colonise to start the Water Wars.loading my .303 now.
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Anyway, I’ve done my bit. Got rid of my second car and replacing the other with a Tesla. Conscience is clear.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 32 minutes ago
Save the planet, eat your neighbour.
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My missus never bought that excuse when she caught us
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comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 21 seconds ago
Anyway, I’ve done my bit. Got rid of my second car and replacing the other with a Tesla. Conscience is clear.
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Buying a Tesla eh. So basically funding those space flights that are the carbon footprints to end all carbon footprints.

Mankind literally destroying it's own living environment. Its like take a shiiit on your own plate.

Earth won't give a shiiiit, it just keeps evolving until it has wiped out humanity, settle down and reset. Earth will survive, humanity won't.

Pick your battles, this one we are going to lose.

And by the way, OP bought a brand new BMW petrol guzzler instead of a Nissan LEAF, hypocrite waaaanker

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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
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posted 9 minutes ago
They need to get a grip on overpopulation for a start. Populations in Africa and Asia have surged in recent years. They reckon there will be 11bn people on the planet by 2100. Unsustainable.

The top 20 fastest accelerating populations are all in Africa and Asia, as are the countries doing the least to protect the environment.

Fastest growing populations:

Niger
São Tomé and Príncipe
Angola
DR Congo
Equatorial Guinea
Burundi
Zambia
Syrian Arab Republic
Chad
Burkina Faso
Mali
Tanzania
Somalia
The Gambia
Uganda
Mozambique
Gabon
South Sudan
Comoros
Guinea

We can all make changes is our daily lives and pressure governments as well, but what’s the point of it all if the species continue to breed like rabbits? Sh*gging ourselves into extinction.

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And yet it's the stable populations of Europe and North America that drive the bulk of carbon emissions. It's the consumption patterns of our lifestyle that is unsustainable. African population growth becomes a problem if it's followed by the emergence of a growing middle class that behaves like we do.

It's important to acknowledge this for two reasons. First, we need to adapt our behaviour to limit the temperature increases - and we can do so without living in poverty if we invest in low carbon technologies and transition to more sustainable, more localised supply chains and renewable power. Then when middle classes emerge in the global south, they can emulate us, rather than be asked to do what we refused to.

Secondly, there is an emerging eco-fascism ideology that wants to repeat the worst genocidal atrocities of the 20th century, only now based on the survival logic of 'there are too many of us' rather than racial theories.

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The bulk of carbon emissions are driven by:

China
USA
India
Russia
Japan
Germany
Iran
South Korea
Saudi Arabia
Indonesia

But that’s a separate point to the one I was making, which is that a population of 11bn is unsustainable. We can’t bury our head in the sand on overpopulation just because it’s not politic to do so.

Many of the issues that people have sighted on this thread are exacerbated by population density.
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Per capita is a more reasonable measure to begin pointing fingers:

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

Select to order by per capita.

I guess building those stadiums for the World Cup has had a big effect.
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Brilliant - double the world population and half the per capita output

Cini, do you live carbon neutral? If not, go faack yourself Saaan

comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 21 seconds ago
Anyway, I’ve done my bit. Got rid of my second car and replacing the other with a Tesla. Conscience is clear.
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Buying a Tesla eh. So basically funding those space flights that are the carbon footprints to end all carbon footprints.
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The way I look at it is that humanity only has 5 giga years left on this rock at best anyway, so funding space exploration is me doing my bit for long term survival. We’ll get what, another 8 giga years on top of that until the end of the universe? I’m in it for the long haul.

comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 21 seconds ago
Anyway, I’ve done my bit. Got rid of my second car and replacing the other with a Tesla. Conscience is clear.
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Buying a Tesla eh. So basically funding those space flights that are the carbon footprints to end all carbon footprints.
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Loada nonsense - all these breeding Africans needed to mine more and more copper, cobalt, lithium, PGMs...

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Anyway, I’ve done my bit. Got rid of my second car and replacing the other with a Tesla. Conscience is clear.
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Which model? I was looking at the 3 Performance

I'm looking at EVs right now but TSLA doesn't seem to be good buy without the government incentives.

Considering Mach-E to go with my Ford lineup but the performance numbers are just bleh.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 21 seconds ago
Anyway, I’ve done my bit. Got rid of my second car and replacing the other with a Tesla. Conscience is clear.
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Buying a Tesla eh. So basically funding those space flights that are the carbon footprints to end all carbon footprints.
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Loada nonsense - all these breeding Africans needed to mine more and more copper, cobalt, lithium, PGMs...
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Oh, well if they’re breeding them for the mines then that’s an altogether different matter and I can get on board with that. I’m excited for the iPhone 50 so get those chaps down the mines.

comment by Bryãn's left boot (U22081)
posted 10 minutes ago
a population of 11bn is unsustainable. We can’t bury our head in the sand on overpopulation just because it’s not politic to do so.

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Is it though? I mean, at the rate we're going 7bn is unsustainable. The number isn't the issue, it's how we're living.

And besides, I thought the current wisdom was that we'll top out at around 10bn. Birth rates drop as countries get wealthier.
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If it were about crude numbers, why is it that the carbon footprint of the one billion or so in the most advanced countries have a carbon footprint that dwarfs that of the six billion or so others?

If you look at it in terms of the amount of biomass represented by the totality of the human population, we're much smaller than the total biomass of ants and bugs. No one is afraid of overpopulation of insects on planet earth though, because they have overall a neutral or even positive impact on their ecosystems: they put back as much as, or more than, they take out. We've known for decades that it's technologically totally possible for humans to live within low- / zero- / positive-impact systems. If we can't live without destroying the habitats we rely on, it's down to lack of political will, lack of the psychological tools, to make adjustments. We're a peculiar bunch: too clever, and not clever enough.

Come on, own up, which one of you lot is this?

https://images.app.goo.gl/S2pavsRE1v3vg2JN9

comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 52 seconds ago
Cini, do you live carbon neutral? If not, go faack yourself Saaan
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I just look down on others while throwing the odd milk carton into the recycle bin.

Always good fun playing with the sea level rise map to zoom in and see what cants are sunk.

https://www.floodmap.net/

Heard the worst case was +75m but not sure? Would give me a seaside home but I'd need a fooking boat to get anywhere.

comment by Mr. McGibblets (Freedom FC) (U7214)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Anyway, I’ve done my bit. Got rid of my second car and replacing the other with a Tesla. Conscience is clear.
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Which model? I was looking at the 3 Performance

I'm looking at EVs right now but TSLA doesn't seem to be good buy without the government incentives.

Considering Mach-E to go with my Ford lineup but the performance numbers are just bleh.
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I really like the Model 3 but I need an SUV, so going for the Y.

Human Activity in China and India Dominates the Greening of Earth, NASA Study Shows

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryãn's left boot (U22081)
posted 10 minutes ago
a population of 11bn is unsustainable. We can’t bury our head in the sand on overpopulation just because it’s not politic to do so.

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Is it though? I mean, at the rate we're going 7bn is unsustainable. The number isn't the issue, it's how we're living.

And besides, I thought the current wisdom was that we'll top out at around 10bn. Birth rates drop as countries get wealthier.
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If it were about crude numbers, why is it that the carbon footprint of the one billion or so in the most advanced countries have a carbon footprint that dwarfs that of the six billion or so others?

If you look at it in terms of the amount of biomass represented by the totality of the human population, we're much smaller than the total biomass of ants and bugs. No one is afraid of overpopulation of insects on planet earth though, because they have overall a neutral or even positive impact on their ecosystems: they put back as much as, or more than, they take out. We've known for decades that it's technologically totally possible for humans to live within low- / zero- / positive-impact systems. If we can't live without destroying the habitats we rely on, it's down to lack of political will, lack of the psychological tools, to make adjustments. We're a peculiar bunch: too clever, and not clever enough.
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I've done my bit - killed 2x ant colonies last week.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
Always good fun playing with the sea level rise map to zoom in and see what cants are sunk.

https://www.floodmap.net/

Heard the worst case was +75m but not sure? Would give me a seaside home but I'd need a fooking boat to get anywhere.
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Judging by that map it looks like if we all work together we can feck off Florida in no time.