alex ferguson had a long playing career and proved himself then as a manager before every getting approached by man utd.
you'd hardly call his 300 odd games in scotland in the same class as mourinho's teaching job.
he had a long managerial career before aberdeen even and then prooved himself in europe.
Even a tthis ferguson got the luck and backing he needed as if he was starting today he'd have been fired before he ever won a trophy at utd.
If you say followed the roy hodgson model you'd hardly say he was much of a player but he did his networking so for the OP the answer is relatively simple. if you go look at the bright sparks round europe like naglesmann he actually retired at 20 and went and did the proper coaching
work.
the function of the uefa coaching structure is not only to award basic badges but to milk the system and network. there are far more qualified coaches across european countires invidiually than in england.
People are right that if you focus on the tehcnial roles and work for free even you'll have not tourble getitng experiences but the badges are vital.
If you could get into analyitics etc thats another route.
I sincerely doubt another mourinh would happen. frankly he is an oddball. a translator who stole sir bobby's playbook. He looks a dinosuar now and hadn't adapted to the game sin the later part of the 10's and now 20s.
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Sarri went from being able to go from a typical day job to top sport management, but it all depends on what pathway you can go down.
I've signed up to FA coaching and have sporadically obtained a few very minor (basic) coaching certificates and have worked up until my level one, but it all depends how much time you have on your hands and if you can viably financially stabilise yourself whilst working you way up.
I know somebody who has completed a UEFA B license before and it was expensive. I estimate anybody who wants to seriously get into coaching and achieve a UEFA B license in the UK would have to pay around £5000 and would probably need to be involved at some form of club level to potentially have them act as a subsidiary for this cost. I can imagine to get to the UEFA B level (FA Level 4), it would probably take a minimum of 5 years and that would probably be full-time as well, or over the course of seasons (football seasons that is).
If you have enough time, money and commitment, it would obviously be well worth it, but it's a big commitment.
It’d be very difficult, of course, you’d basically have to be a brilliant coach, not good, brilliant, be successful every step of the way and have some luck.
Jose was hired by Barca as a translator for Bobby Robson, a non-footballing route into one of the worlds biggest clubs, but even he had coached a youth team and (I think) was coaching in schools, he already had some solid experience.
Sarri worked in a bank and had a succession of non-league amateur-type jobs over about 10-15 years before winning promotion to Serie D.
I think at 33, you would have to save up quite a bit for your badges, get as much coaching experience as you can, anywhere. Then get on the staff at a small, local club, semi-pro sort of team, even if it’s as kitman or water carrier or whatever job and move up from there.
You do well as an assistant at the club, you become the manager, keep doing well, move up slightly again and so on and so on.
As you work your way up, you meet plenty of contacts along the way. The person that I know who has completed their UEFA B license (some 15 years ago) has met people such as Phil Brown and even one Gareth Southgate along the way and no doubt met other coaches who were at football league clubs and probably had been there for some years as well.
I don't think the "who you know" is such a problem when starting, because you can quite literally do courses online these days as a base. The "who you know" aspect will play more of a factor when you get into coaching even at semi-pro level, at levels 6-8 for instance. But again, as you complete your coaching badges through interactive sessions and live sessions that are done throughout your courses anyway, you'll end up coming across somebody who will know somebody else, then somebody else etc. That ends up being your pathway into clubs at whatever level.
This is a dreadful article on so many levels.
Leaving aside the fact that Alex Ferguson had a good playing career which led to him scoring 25 goals in 41 appearances for Rangers, numerous managers across the history of the game have never played top level football. Wenger, Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira spring to mind without even giving it much thought. Pretty sure Villas Boas didn't play at any kind of level. Houllier as well came from an academic background.
Although I do agree that there is far too much nepotism in British football and we're less likely to accept someone from a non football background
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I don't see it as remotely nepotistic unless you're talking about family examples like Redknapp and Lampard but even that doesn't work as they ended up right near the top of the game so they'd have made it without the foot in the door. They only leg up they've had is observing what it takes to be a pro. Everything else is hard work.
For everyone else though it's not nepotistic to suggest someone deeply entrenched in the game should get the nod over someone who's never played it. It's just sensible. As Devonshire says, it's about knowledge and they'll have a lot more than all of us observers outside the game. Nepotism suggests hiring someone woefully under-qualified for a role on the basis that they're a friend or family, when better candidates are available. That's not true here.
I don't think there is an 'in' aside from having that drive at an early age to succeed as I'm sure both Jose and AVB had. That drive to do the donkey work knowing someday it will pay off. That's hard to do that in your 30s as you have responsibilities and payments to take care of. To start there would mean potentially gambling everything you have to make the dream work and I don't think anyone would wholeheartedly do it.
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This is a dreadful article on so many levels.
Leaving aside the fact that Alex Ferguson had a good playing career which led to him scoring 25 goals in 41 appearances for Rangers, numerous managers across the history of the game have never played top level football. Wenger, Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira spring to mind without even giving it much thought. Pretty sure Villas Boas didn't play at any kind of level. Houllier as well came from an academic background.
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Villas Boas is the classic example of who you know and having contacts. From a family of millionaires he could go and do what he wanted at a young age without any worry about what would happen if that route didn't work out along with being able to get a gig scouting at a top Portuguese club.
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That's harsh. Did have contacts, one very important one which fell into his lap (though still took a chance to get it), but he worked his way up the coaching ladder the traditional way once he got his break & clearly put in the work.
He's an interesting case in that his family worth didn't actually part as big a part in his football career as it could've.
Who were those brothers who were PE teachers?
There’s certainly a lot of who you know involved. But there’s clearly a benefit to having a decade or more of experience in the professional game as a player.
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The Cowley brothers?
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Yes!
But just seen even then Danny Cowley was semi pro 👍
Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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True but 99% of them top out at middle management.
They say theres 3 elements, exposure, performance and image.
The least important of these is performance. If you slave away in a job nobody in power notices. You.are better off focusing on getting exposure and working on image.
This means getting to speak in front of power or ensuring you manager gives you awards that are visible or what have you. Volunteer to run the charity whatever, be seen beside the powerful people and so forth.
Then image, look like the people in power act like them, Express the fake corporate goals and ethics etc.
Whatever you do just do not bother with performance.
As the opportunities get less and panels start coming into it the types that do this get less and less chance to keep.climbing as in the end they have to know who to perform against metrics each quarter and they just dont.
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This is a dreadful article on so many levels.
Leaving aside the fact that Alex Ferguson had a good playing career which led to him scoring 25 goals in 41 appearances for Rangers, numerous managers across the history of the game have never played top level football. Wenger, Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira spring to mind without even giving it much thought. Pretty sure Villas Boas didn't play at any kind of level. Houllier as well came from an academic background.
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Villas Boas is the classic example of who you know and having contacts. From a family of millionaires he could go and do what he wanted at a young age without any worry about what would happen if that route didn't work out along with being able to get a gig scouting at a top Portuguese club.
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That's harsh. Did have contacts, one very important one which fell into his lap (though still took a chance to get it), but he worked his way up the coaching ladder the traditional way once he got his break & clearly put in the work.
He's an interesting case in that his family worth didn't actually part as big a part in his football career as it could've.
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It did in the sense that he had security to go and chase that dream without having to worry about providing/living by having a 9-5.
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He got his foot in the door so young for it too have been as big an issue for him as it would've been for others regardless. I think Robson, or Porto, even funded his coaching badges.
The biggest accusation you can throw at him was being an extremely lucky b@stard
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posted 13 hours, 30 minutes ago
Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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Agreed. The 'who you know' syndrome has been going on for decades. When I was ( trying ) to work my way up the banking ladder from the mid 80's onward, I saw incompetent idiot, after incompetent idiot getting ahead, simply because he knew someone, or more likely, their dad used to work with someone. This was before such things as Graduate schemes, and the question of 'where they best fro the job' was totally irrelevant.
The other popular business practice that was 'a thing' back then was getting the promotion simply because you had been in your job for years and you were 'the next in line' again irrelevant if you were suitable or not, just you had been waiting the longest.
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comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 13 hours, 30 minutes ago
Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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Agreed. The 'who you know' syndrome has been going on for decades. When I was ( trying ) to work my way up the banking ladder from the mid 80's onward, I saw incompetent idiot, after incompetent idiot getting ahead, simply because he knew someone, or more likely, their dad used to work with someone. This was before such things as Graduate schemes, and the question of 'where they best fro the job' was totally irrelevant.
The other popular business practice that was 'a thing' back then was getting the promotion simply because you had been in your job for years and you were 'the next in line' again irrelevant if you were suitable or not, just you had been waiting the longest.
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The school tie has not gone away but the bigger companies now are extremely ageist.
If you are a kid out of school knowing nothing you have a far better shot at promotion up to a level than people with experience.
Again image is important. Pronouns, allies, causes etc all look good.
Exposure is then key for them to go into manager and demand a platform to show themselves off.
Performance is entirely secondary.
I had a lad at my company organise a session for the plant manager then be handed a job which he then sat at a desk on his mobile for 3 months. The job was advertised internally and everyone knew he had it prior. He then left to go to another facility for the job he actually wanted to try rinse and repeat. The next guy into the job he was given had to spend 6 on the fixing the mess.
We then had the plant manager repeat the trick with another image one. They gave a job without interview to a guy cos he shall we say ticked some boxes that were again fitting into making the plant manager good.
He did a terrible job l, messed up several projects, over promised on deadlines and then left to join another group. Rinsed and repeated and then to work for a fashion brand.
Both think they will be vps
Neither will as they will top out on middle.management as they cannot perform
Neither will as they will top out on middle.management as they cannot perform
____________________________________________
If they know the right people they will be promoted
competent incompetents
Look at Bodger, from MP, Mayor, foreign secretary to PM and wholly incompetent in each role, promoted each time
Loads of money floating around in non-league, so it's not a bad thing if that's where you peak.
Most people outside of the professional bubble who get "contacts" usually find them when doing their UEFA Pro Licenses. You'll come across countless pro's or ex-pros and if you really know your football then you have to back yourself to make an impression.
Realistically this would only ever evolve to a coaching role, but within professional football. Management/Head Coach is reserved for the elite. Breaking into that world isn't impossible, but for somebody so far away it will take a very long journey.
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posted on 11/11/21
alex ferguson had a long playing career and proved himself then as a manager before every getting approached by man utd.
you'd hardly call his 300 odd games in scotland in the same class as mourinho's teaching job.
he had a long managerial career before aberdeen even and then prooved himself in europe.
Even a tthis ferguson got the luck and backing he needed as if he was starting today he'd have been fired before he ever won a trophy at utd.
If you say followed the roy hodgson model you'd hardly say he was much of a player but he did his networking so for the OP the answer is relatively simple. if you go look at the bright sparks round europe like naglesmann he actually retired at 20 and went and did the proper coaching
work.
the function of the uefa coaching structure is not only to award basic badges but to milk the system and network. there are far more qualified coaches across european countires invidiually than in england.
People are right that if you focus on the tehcnial roles and work for free even you'll have not tourble getitng experiences but the badges are vital.
If you could get into analyitics etc thats another route.
I sincerely doubt another mourinh would happen. frankly he is an oddball. a translator who stole sir bobby's playbook. He looks a dinosuar now and hadn't adapted to the game sin the later part of the 10's and now 20s.
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Yeah true
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posted on 11/11/21
Sarri went from being able to go from a typical day job to top sport management, but it all depends on what pathway you can go down.
I've signed up to FA coaching and have sporadically obtained a few very minor (basic) coaching certificates and have worked up until my level one, but it all depends how much time you have on your hands and if you can viably financially stabilise yourself whilst working you way up.
I know somebody who has completed a UEFA B license before and it was expensive. I estimate anybody who wants to seriously get into coaching and achieve a UEFA B license in the UK would have to pay around £5000 and would probably need to be involved at some form of club level to potentially have them act as a subsidiary for this cost. I can imagine to get to the UEFA B level (FA Level 4), it would probably take a minimum of 5 years and that would probably be full-time as well, or over the course of seasons (football seasons that is).
If you have enough time, money and commitment, it would obviously be well worth it, but it's a big commitment.
posted on 11/11/21
It’d be very difficult, of course, you’d basically have to be a brilliant coach, not good, brilliant, be successful every step of the way and have some luck.
Jose was hired by Barca as a translator for Bobby Robson, a non-footballing route into one of the worlds biggest clubs, but even he had coached a youth team and (I think) was coaching in schools, he already had some solid experience.
Sarri worked in a bank and had a succession of non-league amateur-type jobs over about 10-15 years before winning promotion to Serie D.
I think at 33, you would have to save up quite a bit for your badges, get as much coaching experience as you can, anywhere. Then get on the staff at a small, local club, semi-pro sort of team, even if it’s as kitman or water carrier or whatever job and move up from there.
You do well as an assistant at the club, you become the manager, keep doing well, move up slightly again and so on and so on.
posted on 11/11/21
As you work your way up, you meet plenty of contacts along the way. The person that I know who has completed their UEFA B license (some 15 years ago) has met people such as Phil Brown and even one Gareth Southgate along the way and no doubt met other coaches who were at football league clubs and probably had been there for some years as well.
I don't think the "who you know" is such a problem when starting, because you can quite literally do courses online these days as a base. The "who you know" aspect will play more of a factor when you get into coaching even at semi-pro level, at levels 6-8 for instance. But again, as you complete your coaching badges through interactive sessions and live sessions that are done throughout your courses anyway, you'll end up coming across somebody who will know somebody else, then somebody else etc. That ends up being your pathway into clubs at whatever level.
posted on 11/11/21
This is a dreadful article on so many levels.
Leaving aside the fact that Alex Ferguson had a good playing career which led to him scoring 25 goals in 41 appearances for Rangers, numerous managers across the history of the game have never played top level football. Wenger, Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira spring to mind without even giving it much thought. Pretty sure Villas Boas didn't play at any kind of level. Houllier as well came from an academic background.
posted on 11/11/21
Although I do agree that there is far too much nepotism in British football and we're less likely to accept someone from a non football background
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I don't see it as remotely nepotistic unless you're talking about family examples like Redknapp and Lampard but even that doesn't work as they ended up right near the top of the game so they'd have made it without the foot in the door. They only leg up they've had is observing what it takes to be a pro. Everything else is hard work.
For everyone else though it's not nepotistic to suggest someone deeply entrenched in the game should get the nod over someone who's never played it. It's just sensible. As Devonshire says, it's about knowledge and they'll have a lot more than all of us observers outside the game. Nepotism suggests hiring someone woefully under-qualified for a role on the basis that they're a friend or family, when better candidates are available. That's not true here.
I don't think there is an 'in' aside from having that drive at an early age to succeed as I'm sure both Jose and AVB had. That drive to do the donkey work knowing someday it will pay off. That's hard to do that in your 30s as you have responsibilities and payments to take care of. To start there would mean potentially gambling everything you have to make the dream work and I don't think anyone would wholeheartedly do it.
posted on 11/11/21
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 28 minutes ago
This is a dreadful article on so many levels.
Leaving aside the fact that Alex Ferguson had a good playing career which led to him scoring 25 goals in 41 appearances for Rangers, numerous managers across the history of the game have never played top level football. Wenger, Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira spring to mind without even giving it much thought. Pretty sure Villas Boas didn't play at any kind of level. Houllier as well came from an academic background.
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Villas Boas is the classic example of who you know and having contacts. From a family of millionaires he could go and do what he wanted at a young age without any worry about what would happen if that route didn't work out along with being able to get a gig scouting at a top Portuguese club.
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That's harsh. Did have contacts, one very important one which fell into his lap (though still took a chance to get it), but he worked his way up the coaching ladder the traditional way once he got his break & clearly put in the work.
He's an interesting case in that his family worth didn't actually part as big a part in his football career as it could've.
posted on 11/11/21
*play as big a part
posted on 11/11/21
Who were those brothers who were PE teachers?
posted on 11/11/21
The Cowley brothers?
posted on 11/11/21
There’s certainly a lot of who you know involved. But there’s clearly a benefit to having a decade or more of experience in the professional game as a player.
posted on 11/11/21
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 1 minute ago
The Cowley brothers?
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Yes!
But just seen even then Danny Cowley was semi pro 👍
posted on 11/11/21
Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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posted on 11/11/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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True but 99% of them top out at middle management.
They say theres 3 elements, exposure, performance and image.
The least important of these is performance. If you slave away in a job nobody in power notices. You.are better off focusing on getting exposure and working on image.
This means getting to speak in front of power or ensuring you manager gives you awards that are visible or what have you. Volunteer to run the charity whatever, be seen beside the powerful people and so forth.
Then image, look like the people in power act like them, Express the fake corporate goals and ethics etc.
Whatever you do just do not bother with performance.
As the opportunities get less and panels start coming into it the types that do this get less and less chance to keep.climbing as in the end they have to know who to perform against metrics each quarter and they just dont.
posted on 11/11/21
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posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
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posted 28 minutes ago
This is a dreadful article on so many levels.
Leaving aside the fact that Alex Ferguson had a good playing career which led to him scoring 25 goals in 41 appearances for Rangers, numerous managers across the history of the game have never played top level football. Wenger, Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira spring to mind without even giving it much thought. Pretty sure Villas Boas didn't play at any kind of level. Houllier as well came from an academic background.
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Villas Boas is the classic example of who you know and having contacts. From a family of millionaires he could go and do what he wanted at a young age without any worry about what would happen if that route didn't work out along with being able to get a gig scouting at a top Portuguese club.
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That's harsh. Did have contacts, one very important one which fell into his lap (though still took a chance to get it), but he worked his way up the coaching ladder the traditional way once he got his break & clearly put in the work.
He's an interesting case in that his family worth didn't actually part as big a part in his football career as it could've.
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It did in the sense that he had security to go and chase that dream without having to worry about providing/living by having a 9-5.
-----------------------------------------------------------
He got his foot in the door so young for it too have been as big an issue for him as it would've been for others regardless. I think Robson, or Porto, even funded his coaching badges.
The biggest accusation you can throw at him was being an extremely lucky b@stard
posted on 12/11/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 13 hours, 30 minutes ago
Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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Agreed. The 'who you know' syndrome has been going on for decades. When I was ( trying ) to work my way up the banking ladder from the mid 80's onward, I saw incompetent idiot, after incompetent idiot getting ahead, simply because he knew someone, or more likely, their dad used to work with someone. This was before such things as Graduate schemes, and the question of 'where they best fro the job' was totally irrelevant.
The other popular business practice that was 'a thing' back then was getting the promotion simply because you had been in your job for years and you were 'the next in line' again irrelevant if you were suitable or not, just you had been waiting the longest.
posted on 12/11/21
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 13 hours, 30 minutes ago
Every job I've had has been rife with Nepotism, and a lot of the people who benefit from it are facking useless. I have worked with degree educated idiots who have zero common sense and zero work ethic. I have also had managers who can barely write a legible sentence and have zero management skills. This is the state of the country, people given opportunities for all the wrong reasons.
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Agreed. The 'who you know' syndrome has been going on for decades. When I was ( trying ) to work my way up the banking ladder from the mid 80's onward, I saw incompetent idiot, after incompetent idiot getting ahead, simply because he knew someone, or more likely, their dad used to work with someone. This was before such things as Graduate schemes, and the question of 'where they best fro the job' was totally irrelevant.
The other popular business practice that was 'a thing' back then was getting the promotion simply because you had been in your job for years and you were 'the next in line' again irrelevant if you were suitable or not, just you had been waiting the longest.
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The school tie has not gone away but the bigger companies now are extremely ageist.
If you are a kid out of school knowing nothing you have a far better shot at promotion up to a level than people with experience.
Again image is important. Pronouns, allies, causes etc all look good.
Exposure is then key for them to go into manager and demand a platform to show themselves off.
Performance is entirely secondary.
I had a lad at my company organise a session for the plant manager then be handed a job which he then sat at a desk on his mobile for 3 months. The job was advertised internally and everyone knew he had it prior. He then left to go to another facility for the job he actually wanted to try rinse and repeat. The next guy into the job he was given had to spend 6 on the fixing the mess.
We then had the plant manager repeat the trick with another image one. They gave a job without interview to a guy cos he shall we say ticked some boxes that were again fitting into making the plant manager good.
He did a terrible job l, messed up several projects, over promised on deadlines and then left to join another group. Rinsed and repeated and then to work for a fashion brand.
Both think they will be vps
Neither will as they will top out on middle.management as they cannot perform
posted on 12/11/21
Neither will as they will top out on middle.management as they cannot perform
____________________________________________
If they know the right people they will be promoted
competent incompetents
Look at Bodger, from MP, Mayor, foreign secretary to PM and wholly incompetent in each role, promoted each time
posted on 12/11/21
Loads of money floating around in non-league, so it's not a bad thing if that's where you peak.
Most people outside of the professional bubble who get "contacts" usually find them when doing their UEFA Pro Licenses. You'll come across countless pro's or ex-pros and if you really know your football then you have to back yourself to make an impression.
Realistically this would only ever evolve to a coaching role, but within professional football. Management/Head Coach is reserved for the elite. Breaking into that world isn't impossible, but for somebody so far away it will take a very long journey.
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